#the one that really gets me is Alastor's solo in the Finale song

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The Vivziepop fandom is really dense...

Like, totally media illiterate, and it's sometimes really frustrating.

[sapphic-agent]

You know what Hazbin needs more of musical wise? More serious Vs Duets, cause it's less gag songs had been either solos (Poison and All for Love) assemble pieces (You didn't Know, Finale) or amicable solos (both versions of More than Anything and Whatever it takes)

Like don't get me wrong- I love the more gag-focused Vs, I think they are alot of fun, but GOD one of the most beautiful part about musicals is when two characters with completely opposite beliefs argue via singing, the melody intensifying or completely shifting between the parts (that is why the best part of You didn't Know was Lute and Adam's arguing back. And of course in Respectless the way Carmilla sings that "you and the Vees are unmain and uniform!" With the melody shifting as she gets more desesperate- that is some good stuff)

Imagine Lute and Vaggie fighting once again but this time having a hate filled duet! Emily and Sera's extension of You didn't Know but this time with even more tension cause Em saw that Sinners ARE salvable?? A more serious reprise of Stayed Gone as Vox starts to be an actual threat for Alastor's plans- omg a sadder version of More than Anything between Charlie and Lilith that slowly becomes am escalating argument?? But I think my favorite option on a twisted way (and one actually proposed by the VAs) would be a Heathers'-esque duet between Angel and Valentino, like "you were meant to be mine" from the mentioned Heathers that constantly changes tones depending of whenever Val is trying to manipulate/love bomb Angel or showing his true colors as Angel's part is just filled with hurt and anger. Kind of like how Poison is deceivingly Pop-like till the end to demonstrate the way Angel (don't) copes with his reality, this could also sounds initially as a regular love ballad that slowly morphs until something much more sinister.

First of all, let me just say I'd LOVE a You Didn't Know reprise between Sera and Emily where they're arguing. This NEEDS to happen.

(I'm not kidding when I saw Emily has the potential to be the best written character in the show. Viv don't fuck this up for me)

Second of all, you're right about opposing views being great in songs/musicals. One of the best parts of Hamilton was how Hamilton and Burr were complete opposites. So whenever they interacted, their parts always clashed with one another. One of my favorite parts of Nonstop was when they were arguing over the Constitution (yes I was a Hamilton girlie I have no shame). Hazbin Hotel has a lot of opportunities to do this and really take their songs to the next level

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I was one of many people that wondered why Velvette talked a big game about fighting angels, Vox talked about Angelic Security, and when push came to shove, the V's decided to just hide. It felt almost... lazy to their characters. But in @LelaStudios's drawing Vox video- she seems to bring up a pretty good point on why the V's weren't seen among the chaos.

They wanted the Overlords to fight and fail so they can make a power grab. Vox even outright confirms said plan and suggests that during the Hotel x Exorcist showdown that it probably worked with his duet with Valentino in the finale.

The V's were never planning on putting their lives on the line- they wanted the Overlords to do that and have more territory and sinners to have control over. Heck- the reason Vox even came up with Angelic Security was to get more power over the sinners.

Get rid of the competition, get all the power. The big game talk Velvette had was to get the Overlords to bite, and Zestial and Carmilla were having none of that. Although given the song "Respectless", I don't think Carmilla and Zestial thought she was trying to play them up. "We can't act without more intelligence" and "You V's are in inane and uniformed. Smug wannabes that don't heed when you've been warned" suggest that they thought the V's were actually going to put themselves on the line along with the other Overlords. Which may have also contributed to me and a couple other people thinking, "Wow- you guys talked a big game and chose to sit back when the actual fight happened? That's kind of hypocritical and lame." It was the V's plan the whole time. Hide in the shadows during the chaos, emerge the victors and take all the "masterless cattle".

But that now begs the question of Alastor. As soon as he learns who killed an angel, he keeps it in his back pocket until he can use it to do the one thing the V's (more specifically Vox) doesn't want: make a deal with Charlie. Which then leads him and Charlie to recruit a bunch of sinners (Cannibals like him from a place he likes with an Overlord he quite gets along with). Specifically waits for Charlie to take the reigns on the operation of getting the cannibals on her side while participating in the battle as kind of a solo act. Alastor actually does both what the V's said they were going to do (get Carmilla to help them, take the Battle to the Angels) AND fights in the battle. While also getting Charlie to play a major role. Something feels like it should make sense here, but I don't feel like we have enough pieces on Alastor or the V's to complete this...

The V's are going to be main antagonists next season though and supposedly we are going to learn how some of the characters ended up in hell. Along with possible Lilith, so we just have to wait until Season 2 comes out for more answers. But @LelaDraws has really made this all make more sense- not enough people are thinking "that was what the V's wanted in the first place". Also- her art is amazing, Check it out if you can.

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Ok. I have many Alastor thoughts. Outside ship related things. So I figure I can share my Alastor theories here as well. Alastor is my favorite character and I love so much about him.

Starting with his leash. I still think it’s Lilith who controls him. Perhaps being the mother of demons she helped him rise to power, he took out a lot of problem overloads and Lilith wouldn’t have to get her hands dirty. Alastor rose to power quicker than any mortal soul had before or should have been able to. He likely had a little help. I’m not sure what else Alastor would even take a deal for if not quick claim to power. He’s ambitious after all.

Along with that there’s two options for why Alastor suddenly shows up to help Charlie right after she fails her tv interview and calls Lilith in the original pilot.

Option one: Lilith sent him there to look after her. That would explain his willingness to help and make sure Charlie succeeds. Despite him not thinking it will work and all his other irritations. And he figured perhaps Charlie may also be his freedom as he did Lilith’s biding.

Option two: When Lilith disappeared he spent the last seven years looking for a way out of his deal with her. And when he saw Charlie flopping and failing he saw his loophole. If he can make a deal with her he can have her get Lilith to let him out of his deal. Plus, he had time with Lilith out of hell to get Charlie to agree to a deal. This is the option I’m more partial to at the moment.

I don’t believe he cares for anyone. Any care or friendships he has is a facade. They are a means to an end. He knows he needs to have people in his corner so he knows how to charm them or intimidate them. To me he is much like Hannibal from NBC’s Hannibal. A complex psychopath cannibal who sees everyone as beneath him and as food, a pawn, or both. In his solo part of the end song in the season one finale I saw him not calling himself an altruist but that’s how he would have been perceived. Not who he actually is. But of course he must disappoint as that’s not what happened. Everything he does is a calculated play to garner himself more power, have a little murderous fun, and lead to his freedom.

Like I said in my other post I think he could only ever care about someone if he saw them as an equal. And really only Lucifer has that potential. And also mentioned in that post, these things about Alastor, the complex psychopath things, land him in demisexual territory. He needs to see someone as his equal before he could ever find a romantic/sexual desire or connection. But I think it’s a possibility, the percentage is low but not zero. And from what we’ve seen only Lucifer has that potential. I’d say maybe Lilith but if she holds his leash he could never get past that I don’t think. Someone who had control over him would probably end up on his dinner plate to be fair.

However, I’m not sure the show will ever go the Hannibal Lecter and Will Graham route for them. Lucifer also irritates Alastor to no end I think because he has what Alastor wants. Power and freedom. And Lucifer wastes it. He also has no fear. No fear of Lucifer, or Adam for that matter. Though if his leash limits his power taking on Adam was not his smartest move. But the confidence he had says to me he could kill an angel without an angel weapon. I mean of course it wasn’t his smartest move as he lost. But the potential if his wings weren’t clipped is there. Which loved seeing him be super pissed in the finale when he gets back to his radio tower. He lost, he blames his lack of freedom, and he’s now like 100x more motivated to get out of his deal. And I love that for him. I am so curious to what he would do without his leash. Without limits. How evil, how creative, could he be.

How connected is his cane/microphone to his powers? A question I’ve been pondering. When Adam broke it, it did change his voice back to normal briefly. But he was still able to get away and at least use his shadowy teleportation without it. But I do wonder it’s importance. Is it a focus? Does it hold some of his power? Or is it just for show but really really strong? Like not the key to his power but made by his power, and that’s why he was shocked when Adam broke it? So shocked his radio voice slipped?

Also. Saw an image going around and I have. Thoughts. When he’s making the deal with Charlie we see these stitches all over him. His face shoulder. Also in his part of the song where he’s singing I’ll make you wish I stayed gone he has more stitches in his back/neck. Is that from when he died as a human? And I wonder if the stitches are a way to make sure he always has the smile. Like he told Charlie the smile is way to keep control by not letting anyone know what’s under it. And if he died in a way that damaged his face/body this could make sense that he would stitch his face up in a way that’s basically a permanent mask. Does it hold in a bigger deer demon form? The thing his shadow is constantly portraying? Did he have to stitch that body together when he made his own deal? To contain the bigger form? I have many questions why he has so many stitches all over his body.

It’s funny to me in the rebuilt hotel that Alastor and Lucifer has towers on completely opposite ends. Just amusing.

Also amusing. To me. As a NBC Hannibal fan, both Alastor and Hannibal are connected with deer imagery. It just is an added hey he really has a lot in common with Hannibal thing.

Also also amusing is anytime Alastor swears. It’s timed so perfectly. Also this man NEEDS a whole ass song for himself.

Might add updates if I forgot something.

Hazbin Hotel has given me a new ship. Ok hear me out. RadioApple or Alastor/Lucifer. If you bear with me I think I can even make this work within a canon context. Alastor in ep 7 was told he’s an ace in the hole (tho he had no idea what she meant) but Rosie which is the audience clue to him being asexual but that’s also a spectrum.

I think Alastor lacks interest in sex and love and relationships because he is a complex psychopath. He very much gives me Hannibal Lecter vibes. In particular NBC’s Hannibal Lecter. He sees everyone as beneath him. Pawns, food, or both. How could he ever feel something for others when he has no equal. People are just means to an end for him. A tool to aid him in gaining more power. He understands putting up a facade. But underneath is something much more sinister.

Now. Lucifer. Lucifer has the potential to be his equal in Alastor’s eyes. Lucifer has the power that Alastor wants. The freedom Alastor wants. That’s also why I think he provokes Lucifer so much as well, because Lucifer has all those things but he’s wasting it in Alastor’s eyes. But we (not Alastor unfortunately) see in episode 8 just how powerful Lucifer can be. If that was the Lucifer Alastor saw I think he could see him as an equal. Or it could lead to that path. Give it another season maybe.

And like Hannibal with Will develop feelings for Lucifer. Well as much as a complex psychopath cannibal turned demon could anyway. If all we have in canon is an offhand comment by a friend of Alastor, I think it’s fair to theorize he could be demisexual. And if he found someone who he could see as his equal, much like Hannibal did, he could have a kind of romantic (loving to the best of his ability) and possibly even sexual relationship.

(Tho it’s fiction, if people wanna still ship him with people and draw fanart, write fanfic, have all the headcanons, regardless of canon I think that’s totally fine as that’s what people do with fictional characters. Most ships I see don’t follow canon anyway. And the canon will always be there.)

I really love these two as a ship. Such enemies to lovers vibes. And the way they provoke each other is gold. I love that Alastor the only one who wasn’t Adam to have no fear or admiration of Lucifer. Also because he’s a cannibal I’m very amused by how much RadioApple shippers have decided Alastor bites.

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Literally about all of my Music Meister headcanons

This is really fucking long I wrote this over the course of a few days for another thing that will probably take a few more days and I went overboard If you decide to read this; bear with me (Also send me questions about him I’ll add the answer to my next entry in this big ass clusterfuck)

- The Music Meister’s real name is Dennis Neville Prowell, but he changed it to Alastor Prowell because people made fun of him as a child for being named Dennis Neville. Plus, he always says it's so uncool for a slick guy like him’.

- He kept his last name cause Prowell is his mother’s name and the guy’s a mama’s boy, he’s soft, give him a break.

- The Meister is actually Welsh on his mother’s side. He’d learn how to speak the language, but the guy knows how to play *every* instrument. They say the brain can never be full but it sure as hell can be cramped.

- Alastor has a little sister, she’s a little baby, well not really, but she’s like nine. Her name is Jacqueline, and her big brother calls her Jackie.

- Jackie was born thanks to a sperm donor, since the father is no longer in the picture. Jokes on him, Ms. Prowell is the one with the fortune now.

- Alastor isn’t the best with kids (they’re annoying and he’s impatient), but Jacquline is his little princess. His mother has to stop him from spoiling her rotten all day with dresses and jewelry and sweets.

- High-key, he really wants to get her a pair of musical note glasses like his.

- (I might make Jacquelin her own headcanon page tbh)

- Of course, the family doesn’t know that their beloved son/brother is the corrupt conductor himself, y’know until he gets arrested.

- Strangely enough, no one of the Meister’s direct family are affected by his singing voice. By direct family, I mean his father, his mother, and Jackie. Aunts and cousins are affected, definitely, Alastor proved such on one of their many family trips back home when he was thirteen and edgy.

- He believes it has something to do with his dad, maybe, but he can’t be too sure. If only he knew the guy more than he does right now…

- Anyway.

- If musicals was a religion, Alastor would be the cool local pastor who preaches on Sundays and actually *bakes* brownies for the fundraiser instead of buying them from the store, *Linda.*

- He loves almost all of them (almost), but will not divulge which one’s he dislikes. He’s gotta stay on brand.

- The man will go fucking off though if you let him, whether or not he’s talking about one he likes or dislikes. He has a lot to say.

- Some of his all time favorites that were on Broadway are Phantom of the Opera (it’s a classic) and Wicked. If were were going to categorize it by how good the songs are, he likes the songs from the Waitress, and Something Rotten, and the recent Beetlejuice musical.

- I think it’s safe to say that he sings those songs all the time no matter where he is or what he’s doing, even the collar that Arkham Asylum gives him that makes is so he can’t sing can’t stop him from humming them at the very least.

- When he gets upset he talks a bit faster and then the gap in his teeth gives him a front lisp.

- Whenever he starts lisping, everyone will know, cause once he realizes what he’s doing he’ll cover his mouth and look super embarrassed. (Spoiler alert: he doesn’t really like his angy lisp.)

- This is getting too long isn’t it

- What else is there I know there’s more…

- Real time, I’m fucking blanking right now

- Oh yeah I wanted to talk about kid Meister too

- Alastor, from birth to eleven, was practically an angel. He always listened to his mother, he did his homework, he ate his vegetables, and he even got that bowl haircut that his mother insisted on him having for a few years because it made him ‘Look like a little gentleman’.

- Yeah his mom was really good at embarrassing him in public.

- Speaking of his mom again, she was the one to give Alastor his first singing lesson.

- He had a heavenly set of pipes and she made sure that he knew so every day.

- His father was less than eager to do so.

- In fact, he wasn’t really involved in Alastor’s life other than having a hand in conceiving him. He always had ‘better things to do’, which always struck up arguments whenever he mentioned it to his wife.

- Alastor has never explicitly *heard* his parents argue, but he would always be able to tell when they did because his mom would send him outside to play for an hour or two. By the time he’d be back, both of his parents would be avoiding each other for the rest of the day.

- Legally, his father lost full time custody of Alastor when he was around twelve.

 - It went from Mom on Sun-Wed and Dad on Thur-Sat, to Mom on Sun-Thur and Dad on Fri-Sat, until eventually, Mom obtained full custody by word of the court. Alastor doesn’t recall hearing from him ever since then.

- When it came to the bullies, Alastor was picked on for pretty much everything about his person. I mentioned his name earlier, but there was how he dressed in a sweater vest everywhere and always had a little green bowtie, his bowl cut, the gap in his teeth, his lisp (which was much more prominent until he lost his baby teeth), even his tube socks aren’t safe from them, just cause they’re a bit frilled at the tops. As explained in his very first villain song though, the main reason he got picked on was because he was a boy who sang in choir.

- At first it was rather simple bullying, verbal stuff about how much of a nerd he was, how stupid he looked, calling him a momma’s boy (as if that was a bad thing). But it quickly escalated to threats and physical violence.

- The worst was *about* to come when they were going to ruin a choir show during his solo, until the strangest thing happened.

- The bullies decided that they would let him sing a bit before enacting their plan, but as soon as Alastor saw them, he got stressed very quickly, and wished that they would just leave him alone. And to his surprise, they did. They just stood there at the last row of chairs and didn’t do anything. They didn’t even like…..emote..or move like,,, at all? Alastor really thought he’d see the guys get impatient and start fidgeting and moving around until someone gave some sort of signal and let everything go to hell, but nope. They stood there patiently during the whole solo.

- They started avoiding him after that incident, strangely. Like when you’re walking on the sidewalk, and you see someone really creepy person walking towards you on that same sidewalk, so you take the time to move to the other sidewalk? That, except Alastor was the alleged creepy person and the bullies were the person who took the time to exchange sidewalks.

- The only other time he caught them again was around half a month later? That was after class outside the school when he was waiting for his mom to pick him up from choir class. The bullies really couldn’t help themselves but make fun of his choir robes on their way out, but he was a bit more prepared for this encounter than they had anticipated.

- He started singing again, belting simple commands and making them pick things up and walk around and

- Listen.

- The power could not have gone to his head any faster.

- He made them dance intricate ballets and sing along to some of his chords, all until his mother finally drove up.

- He released the bullies, and went on with his day, solidifying his brand new status as someone to be feared.

- During his teenage years he fully embraced this status.

- Boy became a 100% certified hunk

- I mean punk

- But actually though I didn’t mean to type hunk

- All of his clothes were either ripped or leather and he grew out his hair, and he kept his sick musical note glasses from when he was young (he just got a bigger pair is what I mean, his head still grew).

- Really, he was the kid that no one would want to mess with, as well as the one your parents warned you about when you were six.

- He was a bean pole until puberty literally turned him into a box man.

- Literally though.

- His shoulders got broad, his muscles got big, and his assssests became uh, more ideal for a villain? Yes let’s go with that.

- What I’m saying is, bean became box and also he’s a part time criminal.

- He kind of just stole little things, like a pack of gum that wouldn’t be missed from those racks of stuff near the cash register at a Stop and Shop or something.

- And then he robbed a bank over the intercom, that was pretty impressive.

- Am I uh

- Am I done?

- Honestly I’m sure I’ll come up with more things eventually.