#the dungeon when maizuru has that curse on her. granted that's ALSO better explained with info from the adventurer's bible with it being

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People also fail to factor in Toshiro's mental & physical state, as well as the chimera!Falin reveal, when he finally snaps at Laios and they have that big fight

He is visibly exhausted and had been skipping meals when Laios explains the details of their journey. I love Laios, and I understand why he felt safe to tell Toshiro all that information, but that was a lot to dump on the guy, especially cuz dark magic is HIGHLY illegal. Kabru manages to calm the situation but then they immediately get attacked by chimera!Falin who kills most of the people across THREE parties, Toshiro yells at Marcille about Falin cuz well dark magic was used and now she's a mostly mindless killing machine, then without thinking Laios slaps him for getting angry?? No wonder he finally snapped! Toshiro's mental & physical state also contributes to why he was so calloused in telling Laios how he really felt around him

I saw a post of their fight long before I got into dunmeshi and read the manga myself, and it left out all that info I mentioned above, so I decided "hey fuck this guy" immediately after seeing the post. But then I read the manga myself and when I got to that scene it was wildly different, there was a lot of context and nuance the post omitted that made the fight miserable to read for both Laios and Toshiro sakes

Yes, Toshiro unfortunately hurt Laios in a similar way that people intentionally did in his past, but they also parted on amicable terms with Toshiro giving Laios the bell to call him for help anytime (which Laios accidentally uses to cause Toshiro MORE grief with by unknowingly ringing it 24/7 lol)

i feel like not enough ppl are factoring in the cultural clash between laios and shuro and the many micro agressions shuro faced while being in their group. literally the name 'shuro' in itself is one

his name is toshiro 😭 lets also not forget that he has his own communication issues, in the opposite way that laios does- thats literally a factor in their argument, that his envy for laios's ability to express himself sincerely manifested as part of his distaste for him.

ig all this to say like, was their fight heart wrenching, especially when reading laios as autistic? absolutely. anybody whos ever been in laios's position knows how much it hurts to realize someone you thought was your friend doesnt actually like having you around, especially when they didnt tell you and you had no way of knowing due to not understanding their cues. but im begging yall to step back and see the nuance of this situation cause im gonna be real a lot of you are kinda just brushing over it acting like everything is toshiros fault and that hes a terrible person when in reality hes an average guy who really, really clashed with laios and it led to a very long misunderstanding due to their supremely opposite methods of communication. even laios and toshiro, after letting everything out in their fight, were able to come to an understanding and start a foundation for an actual friendship built on better communication