#some people should really question themselves wtf they are doing in fandom spaces

[bandzboy]

i don’t know if you’re an army but yoongi did not write snooze for his “fans” to go and shit on the very juniors he was trying to comfort with the lyrics

i am not exactly an army i'm more of a casual listener but i know the song and it's a very nice song really but also this brings up these discussions i've been seeing on twt about how some armys don't even read their lyrics or even care much about their music as much as they say they do and it's sad

[whatdamiwatched]

Are we…a…family?

Sharpwin finally had the kind of confrontation that they’ve been needing to have since they got into a quick ass relationship, jumped over all the regular steps and moved to a whole new country together. Even though they had been whatever they were for three years, their personal relationship lived within the walls of the hospital. They didn’t have dinner some nights or hang out in each other’s houses, she didn’t babysit Luna from time to time- it was a work husband/wife dynamic that stayed at work. Understandably, moving from that very contained relationship into an extremely serious romantic relationship had to explode sooner or later- the show went for later - because timing isn’t their forte, but it was nonetheless satisfying.

I have never seen a character more loved and exalted as Max Goodwin. For some reason, the fandom is quick to see everything from his point of view and remind themselves that HE’S A GOOD MAN! It doesn’t help that his character is written to be the saintiest of saints- like even Jesus cannot compete- and every character that’s next to him has to be a little bit worse. An example is the entire hospital staff pretending that Helen leaving was a completely normal and inconsequential thing even though she had worked with these people for years, was best friends with some of them and had been a big part of Max’s transformation of New Amsterdam. A lot of that is a failing on the part of the writers, but also a part of this flattening of any character around Max to let his sainthood shine brighter.

When Helen brought up the subject of Max’s parents, he explained it away in two sentences and put a pin 📌 in the conversation. Helen respected that and didn’t push it. In that same conversation, Max then broaches the subject of where he wants her relationship with Luna to go.

Against the two things I have highlighted, we come to the basis of their first fight. After Helen explodes at her mother, and Max shows up ONE hour late, she leaves the restaurant angrily. Max stays. So much happened after that this point was very much overlooked, but ONE hour late to meet the woman you’re calling your mother in law is unacceptable. I also think if he could already not make the effort to be on time to something Helen expressed was already a fraught encounter, he should have followed her for that reason. She should have been in that moment, his priority and he should have been more conscious of the fact that he was walking into a thorny situation to start with.

Now, before I continue, let me address the people that would try to remind me that he moved country- boo-fucking-hoo. He made a choice that adults across the world make every day and he’s making it for someone that has LITERALLY saved his life MULTIPLE times. I don’t even want to debate what the weight of his sacrifice is because I’m not convinced it even compared to the 3 seasons of sacrifice from her beforehand and she didn’t ask it of him.

So Helen is back home, wearing one of Max’s shirts for comfort, drinking wine and trying to recover from maybe one of the biggest blow outs she’s ever had with her mum. Max comes home and he doesn’t ask questions- doesn’t say “omg that seemed really hard, what happened?” Or “how are you feeling now?” Or “do you want to talk?” Or “I’m sorry I was late”- you know what Max does instead?

Max says he’s solved the issue by setting up a standing weekly invitation for them to bond.

Put yourself in Helen’s shoes? WTF?

When she rightly says she didn’t ask him to solve it…and wait let’s circle back. As a couple, it’s really okay and ideal to deal with things together, but that was far from what he was doing- he was making a unilateral decision about something that was separate from their relationship. So when she’s saying “don’t solve this”, it’s not a “I don’t love you, stay out”- it’s a “this is still a space you’re not part of yet.” Max responds by bringing up moving. Now it’s not that fact that he said moving (actually it is a little bit) but it’s also the language he used. “When I moved across the world for you, your problems became our problems”- on first glance, it might seem almost romantic, on second glance, Helen was completely right. Even though he made the physical move with her, he had a different set of emotional touch points with the move. His emotional thing was - “I love this woman, I want her in my life, I want to be with her and that’s what matters now.” For Helen, it’s “I’ve run away from dealing with my family issues and I’m trying to discover who I was to find out how I am”. Those are difficult issues already without carrying the burden of the fact that your brand new boyfriend has moved his life to be with you.

So while she’s home with her wine trying to decompress from a big part of her move blowing up, Max comes home and triggers the other button- “I get to interfere because I moved here”. Boom.

By now, he’s frustrated that she’s not talking to him about the deeper background issues and being left with her mum and so where he should have pulled back, he pushes at it, leading to their back and forth which ends in him asking - “are we a family?”

What an unfair question. What a load to add on top of an already heavy day.

In a way, that’s Max. Max that wanted to be all of the above even when he was married- Max that pushed Helen to admit her feelings and then acted like the conversation never happened- Max that had a relationship he didn’t share, but questioned why she didn’t share hers- Now, Max that’s using her relationship with her mother to act as a shortcut to expressing his moving uncertainty.

I am happy the fight happened though and can’t wait to see where it leads them to next.

[eisforeidolon]

I think it is an honest attempt to rather go to a con to face the actor you hate and question him directly rather than sitting in own room and bitching day and night. If any anti really goes to the NYCC and asks Jensen 'uncomfortable' questions that can give a little light on the shady prequel, I would appreciate them. But I don't think anyone is that involved with their fandom-hate really that they would spend a hell lot of money just to ask something to a person they don't like. Except those certain rabid Hellers of course who have lost the sense of line between reality and tv.

I think fans should be respectful to the actors, even ones I don't like. However I don't see asking hard questions is being inherently disrespectful, a lot depends on attitude and phrasing. That said? I also think any fan who has convinced themselves they have the magic question to back Jensen into a corner over this is just as deluded as the hellers trying it for years over their ship. If Jensen & Co. are planning to give more concrete details at that con, they will. If they aren't? He'll tap dance around it just like he did to the fan at JibCon who asked for specifics of what'd be in the first season.

Still no idea why they're going with this particular strategy of trying to keep everything a big secret, especially when fans are so up in arms about it. Maybe it's intentional, to keep people riled up and talking about it in a whole 'no bad publicity' way? Maybe it really is just as simple as reading the room wrong. While I've personally just kind of thrown my hands up and stopped paying attention for the most part, I get the frustration and incredulity at this as a concept and as a strategy. But if this is what they've chosen to go with, rando fan #219 can make up all the hard hitting questions they want or misrepresent everything that was said ... and it's going to make all the difference of a fart in the wind.

Going to a con, where in this case it's not a panel for SPN but for TW, as a fan who hates that and Jensen? Is weirder than just bitching online and I don't see anything particularly honest about it. Even if someone is on SM day and night, I presume they're still doing other shit in between posts. I'm on and off here all the time - but I'm also chatting to friends, working, writing, doing other hobbies, etc. Someone going to NYCC just to seethe about how much they hate Jensen and TW is specifically dedicating that time a lot more wholly to that one thing - in addition to the money they're blowing. And yeah, the money is the part that really drives it over the cliff into WTF Even? territory. Again, like the hellers who bid insane amounts on Jensen's first M&G after the show ended because they'd convinced themselves he totes hated the finale and was being ~*sexily silent*~ about it (despite what he was literally saying in interviews) and was going to reveal all to them!? You can make up all the fantasies in your head you want. You can paint as absurd of a narrative of what actually happened and what it ~*really means*~ as vividly as you like. But at the end of the day, you're just stewing in your hatred for hours to ultimately be easily refuted by other more honest attendees who don't have an agenda easily visible from space. So honestly if they were straight up lying about going it would be less weird, but I think it's an artificial line to assume only hellers are that desperate to try and "prove" some kind of point - there's more than enough crazy in this fandom to go around even if certain corners do have a higher concentration of it.

[captain-aralias]

META ASKS!!! 1, 7, & 17. Also hoping you’re having a lovely weekend 💖

<3 <3 <3 thank you!! i would be delighted to answer these asks. my weekend is... ok. i’ve enjoyed the asks part, otherwise... i tried to make some space on my bookshelves to get more stuff off the floor. that part wasn’t so good. (was this an ask? i’ve answered it anyway. i’m in the zone) (hope yours is going well.)

1. Tell us about your current project(s)  – what’s it about, how’s progress, what do you love most about it?

i think the real you, not the interviewer, knows the answer to this 😂 but i’ll tell you anyway. for posterity. 

i have two carry on exchange things. so both are secret.

one of them i’ve mapped out in my head enough that i think i can start writing it. i should have started today, but i didn’t want to because my brain needed some distance from writing.  it’s about [REDACTED]. 😂 what i like about it so far is nothing because i haven’t written it, but i think the prompter gave me a cool thing to write about that i’m excited to ... have written. i think it will be good. 

the other one, i have no idea what i’ll write and so need to get this first thing done. 

the OTHER thing i’m writing is for you 🥰 but it’s not a secret. it has no title yet, but it’s about baz joining the coven where simon works about 10 years after they last saw each other at watford (because they didn’t get together). i really wanted to write a ‘getting together later in life’ fic because i love them, and i wanted to write it for you because i know you do too and you wrote two really recently. (my other favs from this genre are Recapture the Magic by rainbowbaz and newkid on the block Could It Be Magic? by @arca9 )

what i like about mine .... is that it’s a chance to write both of them as more-assured and confident versions of themselves, and to write something a bit more like what i wrote for blake’s 7 and doctor who (and ‘keep calm’) where to be worthy of simon’s love baz has to actually do some good stuff - acts of service, gotta love them. plus, they’re awkward colleagues and go to the pub, and simon gradually realises he likes him. which i like!!

i dont like that i have literally written about 400 words of it. it’s a long way from being done.

7. What do you think are the characteristics of your personal writing style? Would others agree?

just answered this one (possibly rather boringly) here. 

17. Do you think readers perceive your work - or you - differently to you? What do you think would surprise your readers about your writing or your motivations?

this is a hard one to answer. i know that you once told me you thought i was tall 😂

er.... i mean, the answer is almost certainly yes. i perceive my work in a certain way because i wrote it, and i read it and think ‘WTF was i thinking with this paragraphing?? why is everything on a different line??’ and probably no one else cares. 

i think it’s possible that ‘carry on’ fandom thinks i’m kinkier than i really am - in fact, i’ve just been in fandoms for a decade, so i’ve become much more comfortable with writing smut.

occasionally i say that i dont want to become a professional writer, and that surprises people because often fandom people do! i think i’d really like to be a writer, to be fair - i’d like to be known for writing and to have written characters people love, but i can’t invent my own worlds or characters and that’s not what i enjoy doing. plus, i find it really hard to write on command, and the idea of having to be creative to earn money is genuinely terrifying. 

i feel like i’ve said a lot of the other things about my motivations before - like a lot of what i write is driven by my relationship with my partner, who i recently banned from reading my fic because i know she hates the canon and that really upsets me because i write fanfic a) because i love the canon but also b) that is about as bound up in the canon as possible. if you don’t know the canon, i’m not sure what you’re getting out of it. you’re not getting the jokes, and you dont know whether this is good characterisation, or why it was clever to bring X in - or that i didn’t invent Y, it’s from the canon. 

but then i also felt bad about banning her because so much of it is about her - the depression and the politics definitely, and she’s the one who’s obsessed with victoriana so. it would have been difficult to write ‘Tyrannus’ without listening to her for the last decade. plus, we’ve often been in the same fandoms before, and have written for each other a lot. (she’s better than me.)

maybe it would surprise people to know i don’t think i’m actually that gay. but i have also only been in one relationship ever, and it’s with another woman. i love gay romance, though. M/M or W/W - both in fandom, and in literature, film, etc. 

maybe i answered that question ok in the end!

[logicalstansadvice]

There are so many things he did wrong, I get why people won't move on.> How difficult is it for these people to move from someone they don't have a personal connection? Even if it was a relative or friend, this is unhealthy.

Anon 2: I’m so frustrated with parts of this fandom today.>> This fandom hates being called out, and will distort everything to make him look bad.

Anon 3: Everybody saying Sebastian should do this and do that. Why can’t those “fans” do something about it? Stop being fans, stop following his work, switch tumblr blogs, and like many of you have mentioned stop following him on SM. Pretend he doesn’t exist. It’s not hard really. If we arnt enjoying it then it’s really just a huge waste of time and it’s your own fault not his

Heroine - At this point, wtf would he be apologizing for? COVID regulation issue is frustrating, him half-assing the George Floyd statement was disappointing, him being surrounded by questionable people gets a side-eye, but what should he be apologizing for? These things aren’t offenses to apologize for just his behavior. Discussing how it’s shitty is one thing but sitting in his mentions and insulting him & loved ones is another. If you don’t like him get off his Instagram, because you’re wasting your time. He shouldn’t have to leave a space because y’all don’t like his gf. Why should he give up his platform because y’all can’t get a grip especially if he is using it for work. Fuck y’all get a life. He’s allowed to feel some type of way about CONSTANT invasive and unhinged behavior. I have my own feelings about him but you weirdos cross the line. I'm so annoyed that I have to speak in defense of some privileged, rich, cishet white man.

Cosmic - As women, we have had to endure centuries of men dictating our worth and our choices. And yet Sebastian's fans [the majority of them female] want to impose the same control over his life. You cannot expect others to respect your choices when you are doing everything you can to dictate his.

Le Chef - Their logic is a contradiction. He's done so many things, so let me follow him anyways and complain about the things he does and did wrong and how he should be cancelled? Like? When you decide to cancel Netflix do you just yell at the app screen about how they have nothing to offer and problematic shows, so this subscription needs to be cancelled, while not going to the site and saying "cancel subscription" and no longer watching Netflix? Like I don't understand? Are you mad? Are you disappointed? Are you offended? Are you jealous? Like what is it? Bc all feelings have appropriate reactions and NONE of them are actually happening in this fandom to Sebastian SPECIFICALLY?

Star - They just want him to listen to him and do what they want him to do.

That's what it really comes down to.

And they hope if they try harder, or scream louder, he'll listen.

He's disappointed them, for whatever reasons -- valid and real, and subjective -- so they feel bad about themselves for liking him.

And they want him to "correct" this, so they can go back to liking him again.

And not feel bad about themselves.

Le Chef - They had a whole wholesome image of sebastian, and that glass shattered. The reality that he's human and flawed doesn't gel with their fantasy of what they want him to be and what they're looking for for themselves, and now they can't function.

Vamp - What I've discovered over this past year is that the behaviour of some of these fans can be likened to a person who has been cheated on. It's so visceral and rooted in this revenge fantasy. I feel sorry for some of these fans. They obviously have nothing else going on in their lives.

Le Chef - I think this is the root of it. Some of it maybe self esteem? Some of it may be insecurities. Some of it maybe be loneliness.

tbh it's absolutely mental illness. Even when you take Ale out the equation and take into account Sebastian's questionable friendships and lack of thought in some of the things he says and types, most people move on and just don't put money or time into a career.

Heroine - I know I keep saying this but I don’t think it is mental illness (at least the majority of it). I think it’s the way society has worked for so long and we are now able to see it laid out in front of us. This is like someone who has never been told no and is experiencing push back for the first time. As Cosmic mentioned, this is how men typically treat women. It’s a sick power thing. It’s just that it’s (mostly) women who view themselves as powerful and he isn’t ceding it to them and they’re really confused. They genuinely believe fans have the power because they’ve been told that so many times along the way so why wouldn’t they have it now or why wouldn’t it extend to his personal life? These women aren’t mentally ill, they just fell for the lie just like any other “dominant” group.

[bigbeautifulcartoonpeople]

These are some conversation I've had with several people in discord:

1) Other Person: Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but find myself being more anti harassment then anti anti. Like im proship but I also think that people, when they tag correctly, should be allowed to talk about why they don't like a character, a peice of media or a ship... I think that also ties in to WHY im proship. People should do what they want but I don't want to see anti xyz or even a tonne of ship stuff in the main tags.

Me: Tbh same, that was actually the way of the internet before all this proship and antiship and anti-antiship shit started. Literally people liked what they liked, criticized what they didn't and moved the fuck on. The people who demonized, shunned, suicide bated, etc. other people in fandom were the people looked down upon and excluded from fandom. Now it's just okay to hurl death threats and the like over literally 2-D pictures, characters and even stories willy-fucking-nilly. Like seriously, I don't think a lot of people have even looked at a library otherwise they would start trying to burn them down because they lack such common sense and awareness over the fact that fiction is QUITE LITERALLY not reality. Consuming it doesn't make you IT, but the sad thing is is that this isn't even a new way of thinking, it's only newly been on the internet and is now spreading like a cancer/wildfire.

Purity culture has always been a thing due to Catholicism and Christianity and the like, claiming video games cause kids to be violent, even further back, metal music made kids devil-worshipers and violent, even further back, IT the book made people murderers and that Stephen King(the author) is a murderer himself! Hell, the ideology is still standing strong with conservatives believing that if their kid consumes queer media that will somehow magically make them queer and that's just not how that works. If you go into media thinking murder, incest, etc. is okay irl beforehand, nothing is going to change about that except figuring out you are okay with it irl and not just on paper/screen. Same with queer kids, they were already queer or questioning before they consumed the queer media, they're just figuring out what the words are or what it looks like now that they've consumed it and can now define themselves.

I'm genuinely growing more and more concerned that people really do believe that fictional characters are real. Like, if they just believe hard enough it makes it so, and that because they think that the fictional characters are real anyone who'd want to hurt them, sexualize them, put them in harm's way, etc. are awful people cause they believe you would do that to real people and, to them, that fictional character is real.

It's so fucking concerning because I am becoming more and more aligned in the belief that people shouldn't be handed the internet until a certain age cause technology and screens and the wide wide web are rotting kids' brains, holy fuck

2) Just casual discussion:

Me: Antis are ruining fandom space and it ain't even our fault, wtf

Person 1: creating unnecessary drama too! they...outed...a 12y old...sexual fantasies from a PRIVATE conversation

Person 2: These guys need to realize they're not the fucking police it's none of their business what other people do online unless it's ACTUALLY illegal

Person 1 in Response to: they...outed...a 12y old...sexual fantasies:

that was some years ago, and i didn't know proship and anti discourse

for ppl that love to say legality isn't morality, they sure love to bring up the law "it's illegal!!"

"no it isn't, [proof]"

"legality isn't morality"

Me: I'm seriously starting to think the majority of antis are minors, like kid/tween minors, cause the lack of reasoning skills, inability to tell fiction from reality, and basically little sociopaths sound both like antis and children and that's starting to make me super fucking uncomfortable. Cause there are so many parents who will hand their kid an ipad or even a whole ass phone at like 4 or 5 and then they're left to their own devices (pun not intended) and expected to figure the wide wide web out on their own...like, THEYRE FUCKING CHILDREN, we are A) not responsible for parenting your random ass child in place of you, B) expecting adults to interact with is adults and will reply and interact as such.

And so we've got LITERAL CHILDREN with no moral compass established being told that x, y, and z people are the worst possible people to ever exist ever.... Kids already take everything to the extremes, and that shit is only gonna make everything worse for us and everybody else just trying to enjoy fandom

Person 1 in Response to: I'm seriously starting to think the majority of antis are minors, like kid/tween minors, cause the lack of reasoning:

yea, kids usually see black and white

they don't notice the grey also cause they're easily convinced, and when they're convinced, they're gonna keep insisting

Me: Like, for example, I was watching a Jacksepticeye vid yesterday and he was looking at reviews of him on this website and read a review of a literally EIGHT YEAR OLD who said that they had been watching him since they were a toddler and jack was shocked....I WOULD BE TOO, like who just hands their kid the internet and say "salavi, go be kids, go have fun", like NO, WHAT ARE YOU DOING????? At the very least try to curate your child's experience or reach on the net until they're about 13 or so, like I promise shitting out a kid is not the only step to being a parent, I promise you

Person 1 in Response to: Like, for example, I was watching a Jacksepticeye vid yesterday and he was looking at reviews of:

since....they were...a TODDLER??

Me: Yep, and the kid didn't even see anything wrong with it, seriously, somebody needs to start trying to be parents and it shouldn't be the people who didn't ask to be, aka random adults on the net

I'm starting to find evidence on twitter of antis encouraging each other to shun friends and family for not being one of them and I am deeply concerned. This is some cult shit.

"should I shun my friend for being proship even though they're my only irl friend?"

"Should I shun my mother for being proship?"

The answer to both of these is GET HELP. You are being brainwashed into thinking that your friends and family are dangerous when you know that they wouldn't hurt anyone. See a therapist, take some time off the internet, reevaluate your situation. Fiction does not take precedence over your loved ones.

I'm tagging this with "antis please interact" because I think they need to see this too, and hopefully it helps someone. Your loved ones are not dangerous because of their taste in fiction.

[snkpolls]

SnK S3E12  Poll Results (Manga Reader Version)

The poll closed with 487 responses. Thank you to everyone who participated!

Please note that this is the results of the manga reader poll. Anime only watchers are suggested not to read if you do not wish to be spoiled about certain events! Anime only viewers, click here to view your poll results!

RATE THE EPISODE 481 Responses

The final episode of the first half of S3 was another banger with positive reactions. Compared to earlier in the season when manga readers seemed more dissatisfied with the adaptation, we are happy to see that the final episodes of the arc turned out to be a much more positive experience!

Considering this episode was essentially just the calm before the storm, I was pleasantly entertained by it. Not the best episode because not a whole lot happened, but still it did what it needed to do.

I was super worried they would change something in this episode but thank Ymir-sama it's okay.

IT WAS AWESOME AND THAT ENDING IS ONE OF THE BEST THING THIS ANIME HAS EVER MADE!

This episode was so good! And funny! And angsty at the end! All the ingredients that make a good AOT episode

Very good, the preview was spooky and the whole episode had humor to lighten the mood, some emotional stuff and High Anxiety Cliffhangers to finish us off. Its gonna be a long 6 months.

HOW WOULD YOU RATE THE FIRST HALF OF SEASON 3 AS A WHOLE? 481 Responses

Overall, the first half of season three was satisfying for manga reading poll takers despite the changes.

All in all, absolutely stunning season. From the bottom of my heart, thank you WIT.

It was a really good episode. It followed manga perfectly. Every ep. of Uprising should has been like that. Too bad it wasn't, that why I rated the whole series pretty lowly. Honestly, I expected something better. But that was fine, not the worst. Yet, I would have changed a lot.

Really good way to end this half of the season. Can't wait to see the next half. It was nice to see a "calm before the storm" episode.

It was a brilliant idea to end the first part of season 3 right there, by doing this we were given proper construction to this arc.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT THE SEASON TAKING A BREAK UNTIL APRIL? 481 Responses

About 37% of respondents are sad to see the anime take a break, but nearly half of voters are fine with the break stating that it’s not too bad of a wait, with some who are even looking forward to the breather for a bit (we’re looking forward to having a good rest as well although we will miss the anime!).

I'm okay with it since it means that we will a get a really well made RtS arc. But they really should've said that the break was going to be this long earlier. Or just called it season 4

Waiting is something we SnK fandom know how to do, unfortunately

As a manga reader it's easy to not be too upset since we'll have plenty of chapters during that time.

It's nice to get a breather before shit hits the fan.

I don’t mind waiting 6 months when I know it means the animation will look a lot nicer as a result

I feel like i would have been less upset if they just told us from the start how its gonna be... I hated the uncertainty

If it means a fantastic second cour then I'm all for it. I mean my life is empty and I wish I were dead, but other than that I've accepted it!

6 months for preparing myself to let Erwin rest in peace

I AM NOT READY FOR RTS THIS IS LITERALLY THE FIRST TIME IN MY LIFE I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO A HIATUS WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WIT

WAIT Studio

Does Annie have some space next to her for the next 6 months?

WHICH OF THE FOLLOWING SCENES WERE YOUR FAVORITES? 480 Responses

The Survey Corps’ sendoff was the most favorite moment of the episode, followed closely by Eren and Jean’s nostalgic fight. Levi and Erwin’s talk after the meeting made it to third most favorite scene of the episode, followed closely behind by Eren, Armin and Mikasa’s conversation. Everyone losing their minds over meat was another favorite.

Erwin was so perfect, I loved his little laugh, I thought the whole interaction with him and Levi was done so well... god, I'm gonna miss him so much, it actually hurts.

Good breather episode, comedy gold with the dinner scenes, and the send-off was just as fun as it was touching. Also, the extra scene was creepy and great, but I hope anime-only watchers don't spoil themselves trying to find the meaning to it...

I think they did a really good work with the Erwin x Leviv talk, and EMA talk... Since enfatizing Erwin's reasons, and showing Armin's, It became more clear Levi's choice in future

I loved EMA talk... it made me pretty sad because of the events which now are taking place in the manga. That was good to see them together in the anime.

My Eruri shipping heart was in tatters, I tell you. I've been looking forward to the ""I'll break your legs"" scene for ages now, and shit, watching it was a literal punch to the gut. Erwin's beautiful roar of victory on the wall, his final ""SUSUME"" just... I was in awe.

Sasha nomming on Jean’s hand was even funnier animated

The 104th dinner scene was just perfect! It's been so long since we had a scene of such warmhearted camaraderie, it really brought back all my season 1 feels for the babies. Beautifully done.

Overall great Episode, really liked how they foreshadowed Erwins Demise and his conversation with Levi, EMA talk was great too, and the serumbowl scene made for an amazing cliffhanger

DID THE GLITCHED ENDING SCARE YOU? 483 Responses

The abrupt reminder that SNK is a horror anime definitely seemed to work!  The majority of people were scared by the ending at least a little bit, and some were thoroughly terrified.

"Blink and you'll miss it" my a**

Honestly it reminded me of how horrid the show actually is. I forget it's not all cute and funny scenes with a tinge of "yikes" that happened, but instead vice versa

I knew it was coming in the ED but didn't know WHEN and I was just anticipating it like a dark corridor in a horror movie XD

Moreso that scare me, it got under my skin and just stayed in my head the rest of the day.

Scare is not the right word. The option I'm looking for is FUCKING WRECKED

I learned that apparently a lot of you watch shit alone in the dark. But to answer the question, no, not at all.

It thrilled me to see them cleverly setting up the next half of the season this way

Only the Levi's distorted "you guys". The glitched ending was awesome

I saw some screencaps of it prior to watching so I was somewhat prepared but it was way creepier than i thought it would be, it spooked me

It wasn't actually SCARY, but I fucking loved it. So twisted and creepy

rip ears in that ending, it makes for some great youtube reactions though lol

Well, mark me down as scared and horny

SHOULD ZACKLEY’S ART BE REALIZED? 478 Responses

We suppose the real question is, when will Zackley’s “art” stop becoming something we ask about? :P All in all, most of you agree that it should not be seen or talked about. 21% of you are still finding humor in it.

HOW MUCH DID YOU ENJOY THE SEQUENCE OF EREN AND JEAN FIGHTING? 483 Responses

Most of the viewers enjoyed Eren and Jean’s antics with 84% rating the scene with a 4 out of 5 or higher. 

Mikasa letting them fight and not dragging Eren way is the best part! It's such an important character development for her. Also this Episode was full of parallels to their training days. Great episode.

Eren and Jean bringing the Drama™ (as expected of Eren and Jean)

THE SURVEY CORPS HAS NEVER EXPERIENCED A SEND-OFF LIKE THEY DID IN THIS EPISODE - FAVORITE PART OF THIS SCENE? 481 Responses

The surreal experience of getting a positive send-off like this made Erwin’s smile and shout the overwhelming winner here, and for good reason!  A smaller portion of respondents enjoyed Springlestein being themselves and a few called out Levi’s face in the comments:

All of it. Because it will be the first and the last time we'll see it

YYYYEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

Levi looking at screaming Erwin like "WTF Erwin"

Hange smile

LEVI'S SOFT LOOK

I like the manga version better because Levi's smile was softer there

Levi's expression when Erwin did his triumphant shout.

literally everything about it was perfect

WOULD YOU LET LEVI BREAK YOUR LEGS? 480 Responses

While 58% of respondents cannot understand why anybody would want their legs broken by Levi, a small percentage were even asking for it.

THE EPISODE WENT EXACTLY AS THE ORIGINAL MANGA! 478 Responses

So, the story behind this one is that one of the pollsters posted this “question” on our original document as a joke while another one of us was at work. When the one at work got off, they put the question onto the poll form while the person who created the “question” was not online, not realizing it was meant to be an unpublished joke. This was completely overlooked during the final proofread. It was never actually intended to make it onto the poll but since one of us always tries to rush through things, here we are! In any case, we hope you guys had a good laugh, because we all collectively lost it when we realized the mistake much too late!

wow y'all throwin shade with this Q huh

Yes, it is Erwin's birthday celebration after all

Glad that Erwin and the crowd’s screaming was a ‘dialogue’ and that he screamed again.

Makes sense, given how its purpose is to set up the new arc. Not much need to leave things out for the sake of pacing.

They done it so perfectly! I love that episode and love the hope in the air, my man similing and being happy, I love they see people cheering for them. THAT was earned.

It still modified some moments like Armin thinking of Eren and Mikasa instead of the bullies in the manga. Maybe it's better and more consistent with the following events.

Thanks God! The whole series should has been this way. Compared to the sad 1st episode of Uprising, this one was a true masterpiece.

u people need to get the salt in your blood checked, let others be dissatisfied with something they care about? please and thanks

i don't care if it went exactly as the original manga or with some changes as long as the episode is good

THE CHAPTER SIGNIFIED THE START OF A NEW ARC, BUT THE ANIME USED IT TO END THE FIRST COUR, WAS THIS A BENEFICIAL DECISION? 478 Responses

The majority of folks thought shifting the send-off to the end of the cour to create an uplifting cliffhanger was a good way to end the season.  Several people called attention to how much contrast was felt between such a positive ending and the credits scene.

I think it works great, especially the triumph of the send off and the "oh shit, what's happening" moment in the ED

should have been the first ep of the next arc, with the send off as the cliffhanger

It was a nice, fun send off for the arc. Has the suspense of the scouts going towards the foes. The next episode with the next chapter/s will be perfect for getting back into the series after 6 months

WAIT Studio used it as an effective cliffhanger but from an adaptation perspective it's just like the Wall Titan. Something to keep the audience's attention at the cost of the narrative's flow. If the season was going to be split then rushing the Uprising Arc at breakneck speed resulting in one extra episode was pointless.

The opening of 73 is a perfect opening for the second cour, so I knew from the beginning of the season that ending in this chapter would be their aim. The second half won't struggle for content, and they can either push ahead flashbacks (I expect some of Bert's parts from 96 making it into the adaptation of 77) or content that didn't make it in the first half used to extend other parts (Eren's experiments for Armin realizing how to beat Bert in 81)

I think this will help the second part by being on the way to Shiganshina to start it off.

Heck cliffhangers!

LEVI WASN’T EXPLICITLY SHOWN EAVESDROPPING UNTIL THE END OF EMA’S CONVERSATION, DO YOU THINK THIS DIMINISHED THE FORESHADOWING? 478 Responses

The vast majority of respondents agreed that as long as we saw him listening to them, that’s ultimately all that matters. A small few believe that not showing him listening in on them earlier will diminish the overall impact when he makes his decisions later, however.

I don't think it matters, especially if the anime includes a flashcut to this moment post-decision, which will make its important even more obvious for viewers who may not remember this scene at all.

I'm not sure, I guess it did seem more ambiguous here. They'll flashback to it when serumbowl happens though.

Wouldn’t have spent more time on it. This show is about subtle details. I think its ok.

It still worked, but I would have liked it to have been made clear that he saw Armin's expression when he was talking about the ocean

No, but i think it was nice in the manga to see that at the beginning of the conversation he was standing and ended up on the floor by the end of it. Small detail, but i took it like he didn't mean to listen in the beginning but decided to stay in the end because of what he was hearing?

No, because it was a detail it meant a lot more. Subtle details have greater impact in visualities, manga is a different medium and the scene was used properly for its medium.

HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WIT SHOWING *THAT PART* OF THE RTS ARC AS A TEASER? 480 Responses

38% of respondents believe that the teaser was a great way to keep interest in the series high. 20% specifically feel that it will keep the anime only fans invested. About 21% of respondents combined don’t think it was the smartest choice on WIT’s end while almost 10% are just not ready to see that animated at all.

Even though I already know what will happen, my body *isn't* ready for this shit to come, except for the lightning spears

Honestly, I thought it was stupid as fuck and a cheap way to keep hype up for anime-only people. I would've preferred my anime-only friend to go into RTS completely blind.

I think it's great because it lends itself a lot of hype for the next half as well as leaving it very open ended. Especially because they cut out lines about the serum.

I think this teaser shocked more the manga readers than the anime onlines.

It's the worst part of the manga they could spoil. I'm not sure what they intend to do by showing such a controversial moment

It was brilliant. Anime only watchers don't often get the experience of agonizing over certain cliffhangers monthly, but with this flashforward looming in their head, they have a whole season of suffering ahead of them. SUFFER LIKE US, ANIME ONLIES!

I really liked it but I think they could have shown a part of Bert/Reiner/Zeke’s convo since we saw Bert and Reiner at the end of the episode, and it would have anime-onlies wondering who the glasses guy is

I was shocked and hyped at seeing them include this scene, but at the same time I’m sad that anime-onlies were spoiled that at the very least Mikasa, Eren, and Levi will survive until this scene, destroying any tension of them dying

I'm really conflicted; on one hand, I was very surprised in a positive way, cause it was a ballsy and unexpected move. On the other hand, I understand that anime viewers might be sick of spoilers bc of the scene at the beginning of ep1.

It gave me anxiety lol. Please someone save my babies from their horrible destiny

One hell of a cliffhanger and I can't really imagine anything better to show everything going wrong (Colossal nuke is way too obvious, for example), but the people complaining about spoilers do have a point...

WHAT ARE YOUR EXPECTATIONS FOR RTS’S ADAPTATION? 480 Responses

WHAT SEGMENTS OF RTS ARE YOU MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ANIMATED NEXT COUR? 481 Responses

Over half of respondents feel that the Return to Shiganshina arc will be delivered just as well as Uprising was. 37% of respondents feel it will be much better than Uprising’s adaptation. A small few don’t have much faith in the second half of the four.

FUCK ME UP!! R.I.P. ANIME ONLIES

GIMME THE 2ND COUR NOW!

I don't know if I'm emotionally prepared for this arc

I’m going to have 6 more months to mentally prepare myself for the return to shiganshina arc and I still won’t be ready

from an adaptation perspective it's going to be the same as the previous seasons. WAIT Studio excels at certain aspects of packaging SnK into anime, but as a whole it's a bad, rather than amazing, adaptation.

Is there a "NOPE I am not ready for RtS arc" in the questions?

WHAT SEGMENTS OF RTS ARE YOU MOST LOOKING FORWARD TO SEEING ANIMATED NEXT COUR? 481 Responses

The most anticipated segment of the Return to Shiganshina arc is the suicide charge + Levi totally wrecking Zeke. Following closely behind are the basement reveal, the serumbowl, Grisha’s diaries and flashbacks, the ocean and the showdown with the 104th and Reibert. 

Kill me! I cannot believe I have to wait 6 months for RTS. 6 months until I can see Reiner and Bertholdt in action and the FREAKING BASEMENT!!!! I was fine with a 3 months break but 6 is too much ;____; I want to see Grisha's past animated

What everybody is waiting for the RtS Arc: the basement, Reibert fight, Levi soloing the beast titan, the ocean. Me, an intellectual: THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS THUNDER SPEARS (and Grisha's backstory)

can't wait to see historia looking graceful as hell in front of the sunrise while the SC goes off to fuck reibert and zeke up

The only thing I can think about is Zeke.... *screams* ZEKE AND EREN! THE JAEGERBROS! AND THE GRISHA FILES! SO MANY JAEGERS *dies*

I'm definitely looking forward to RTS okay, but I'm dreading it more, honestly. But the one thing I'm looking forward to, and really hoping they'll animate, is Levi taking down those Titans on the way to Zeke. I know the focus is on Erwin's last charge in the manga, and rightly so, but DAMN, I want to see Levi do that -I honestly don't think anyone, even Mikasa, could do what he did there.

I have a fever, and the only prescription is Season 3 Part 2

ADDITIONAL THOUGHTS ON THE EPISODE?

A pretty decent choice for a midseason finale. But most important, a pretty good choice for episode 49. Once we're back in April, the series will be celebrating having made it to 50 episodes. Just 2 years ago, we were wondering if we'd ever get episode 26, and now we're getting to a landmark episode that will be exciting and memorable! Nothing between chapters 70-72 could've worked as such a landmark, in my opinion, but chapters 73-74? Absolutely perfect for it.

And my ship finally got some screen time

But damn wit... I almost got a heart attack because of the glitched ending!! Please, I at least want to survive to see manbun Eren animated

For anime watchers: I enjoyed watching your confusion over that ED. May you all be prepared by April 2019.

My heart is filled with so much Eruri that I may cry. You could literally see how much concern Levi had for Erwin in his eyes.

I love Bertoto and Raina more than myself. Guess, I'll die in April.

I'm an Erwin Lover™ and the show is gonna come back right around my birthday so this was Great and I'm Fine

It was out of character to see Eren fully clothed.

The moment when SC were cheered up and Erwin was so confident and happy and then they left into the sunset gave me goosebumps and almost made me cry :') it was a beautiful, strong, encouraging moment for SC!!

Let me just tell you how fucking HYPED I am for the next season after those previews during the ED. HYPED. And Jesus fuck yes, Armin looked like a charred French fry that got left behind in the oil. THANK JESUS. I was afraid WIT might downplay that, but no, my boy gonna be the CRONCHIEST.

The glitches were great and not too spoiler-y but WIT absolutely ruined it with the Eren/Mikasa/Levi scene. They showed too much.

rip ears in that ending, it makes for some great youtube reactions though lol

Erwin looked fine as fuck

Wit, you better be paying for my doctor visit. My ears were bleeding with your little trick you pulled at the end.

This episode. THIS FUCKING EPISODE. Man what a way to end the cour. REALLY, standing ovation to WIT. That glitch ending was just like that tiny Titan-in-the-wall scene at the end of season 1 that made me go looking for the manga. Absolutely brilliant stuff.

Thanks for these polls.

WHERE DO YOU PRIMARILY DISCUSS THE SERIES? 446 Responses

Thank you to everyone who participated!

Please keep your eyes peeled for an upcoming Uprising Arc poll!

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VLD Season 2

Spoilers OH BOY

Episode 1 Pidge is adorable as always Coran through the years ~ omg he looks hilarious and awesome every time Poor Allura Shiro and Keith…. I know they have a backstory but like…when are we gonna get it??? Keith piloted the Black Lion!!! Awesome Poor Shiro is injured, I hope he gets that healed. Pidge is a frigging genius!!!

Episode 2 Mermaids!!! We all thought Lance was the pun master when in actuality it was always Hunk!!! XD Lance is more serious than the jokester persona we give him… Hunk and Lance episode o3o Hey we get merpeople, an underwater world, and a sea monster XP

 Episode 3 THAT TITLE THO?!??! OH SHIT IT WAS THE DOCTOR THAT HELPED HIM ESCAPE??? Yes, I would like to know too. Where are Sam and Matt Holt? AWWW MAN THAT SACRIFICE!!! DX Ok…guys…this doesn’t surprise anyone. We all knew that Blade thing was coming. Keith is somehow connected to the Galra. (I’m not basing it on the original because writers might have changed some things).

 Episode 4 What kind of title…Greening the Cube? (Is this gonna be about Pidge and the green lion?) Pidge, saving lives on step at a time. THAT DECONTAMINATION!!! EVERY SHOT THERE IS SOMEONE BEING A FLIPPING DORK. Lance in water, Shiro and the hairdryer <_< This episode seems to be all about tech….and now they are going to a world of engineers….SAM AND MATT HOLT ARE YOU THERE?!?!? Pidge learn to love nature! XD This is totally a Pidge episode *O* Pidge is so cute when she gets excited about tech XD Kira kira ~~~ Keith……Keith…..your concerns about being connected to the Galra are showing…

 Episode 5 Poor Pidge…XD Coran…..you should just stay in one room for now holy frig…But I think they will find some way to make that useful to them… I have so many theories on how the Galra keep finding them…Shiro’s arm, the black lion, possibly Keith.... Keith and Lance are heading to a pool…..Honestly that never came to my mind because I figured there wouldn’t be one on the ship…. I WILL BET YOU ANYTHING THAT SOMEONE IS GONNA DRAW LANCE AND KEITH AS PACHA AND KUZCO FROM THE EMPEROR’S NEW GROOVE!!! Ok…I don’t even ship Shallura but that hand touch?!?! Coran for Yuri On Ice AU?!?! Ok Allura being the thing that is tracked is not what I was expecting… Bet you guys those cookies that Hunk made are gonna be the solution… I TOLD YOU THAT CORANS CONDITION WAS GONNA BE USEFUL!!! XD What do you mean TIME is on your side, Zarkon???

 Episode 6 Idk…I don’t think its Allura… Zarkon’s forces only showed up on Aris after everyone was there…just sayin… Everyone is saying pretty plausible ways on how he could be tracking them… Keith and Allura both think they are to blame….. Coran asking the important questions XD Shiro for the love of god put on your frigging helmet mask thing wtf that thing doesn’t evne look like it has an atmosphere!!! Is this bitch really being CHOOSY over who the fuck is saving their asses? Poor Keith has all these hidden worries….I feel bad for him…. Aw man….Keith probably thinks he is Galra and Allura doesn’t trust any of them and that probably really hurts….He thinks his friends wont give him the benefit of a doubt and instead turn on him… v.v Coran looks awesome. Alfor was a Red Paladin??? *COUGHCOUGHITLOOKSLIKEKEITHSKNIFECOUGHCOUGH*

Episode 7 Space Mall…this is gonna be where Lance got the cow XD Alfor in the background of the picture… I bet Allura is gonna disguise herself and sneak out OMFG THOSE DISGUISES!!! I feel like they are cosplaying…. Oh well nevermind about the sneaking out thing... The mice are putting on a cute show. That’s adorable! Oh those wings !!! Ohh…ohh…OH….Astral plane here we come!!! That fight was intense but the black lion chose SHIRO!!! OH MY GOD WHAT HAPPENED TO ALLURA’S HAIR?!?! Lance got the cow XD

 Episode 8 “That’s not better.” XD Ok…so IF something were to happen to Shiro then Keith would pilot the balck lion. And IF Keith is Galra then that makes anyone connected to the black lion somehow connected to the Galra…. This soldier Keith is fighting looks female…It doesn’t mean anything really its just something I thought about since all the galra we see so far are male. The more fighters I see the more I think this…some are male and some are female…I think.. AWWWWWWW Keith looks so torn up ;-; He’s…at the shack now…flashback!?!?!? His dad….Galra….mother gave him the blade…. I can already hear the fandom screaming. Keith is Galra…even if only half… Things are about to go down!

 Episode 9 Allura….I know you either think or know Keith is Galra but quitting giving him snide looks…. He is still on your side <_< oohhh so everyone knows ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT THEY FOUND THAT PERSON IN A GODDAMN STOMACH??? Thace seems to be in a lot of trouble… And everyone saying stuff about Keith being galra is kinda insensitive..i mean he probably feels bad enough already...

 Episode 10 Is this gonna be the episode where they find Sam and Matt Holt because….Shiro and Pidge both know them and they both went…soo…. PLEASE??!?! Maybe its sam and Matt Holt????? PLEASE?!?!?! If they are there….lance or shiro will find them… LANCE NOOOO YOU ARE FINE OMFG DON’T DO THIS TO YOURSELF!!! DX Shiro just knock this guy out and then he wont talk. OMG MATT ESCAPED!!

Episode 11 Shay is adorable That thing is back…wow… “Quit back-lion driving!” ALLURA ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?!?!?! DON’T BE A BITCH OMG WTF ALLURA!!! -__- Thace is screwed…. Btw…I get the feeling even if they do defeat Zarkon…there will be a bigger threat?

 Episode 12 REALLY ALLURA?! Pidge is like…is this a thing? Thank god she made up with keith… The backgrounds/galaxy is beautiful! Looks like we aren’t getting sam and matt holt ;-; So many are sacrificing themselves v.v Now they all gotta fight zarkon…

 Episode 13 Final episode omg.. Zarkon hasn’t been listening to anyone. Not even his advisors…haggar…no one…He is gonna be his own demise… Oh frig…Allura… Ohhh so Allura is gonna go face Haggar…. Now would be the time to mention…a lot of people theorize Haggar might be Altean…. Allura being a badass! OMG THE FANDOM WAS RIGHT! SHE IS ALTEAN!!! They didn’t make sure that zarkon was dead…. Shit….Shiro is missing so Keith will have to pilot the black lion and possibly Allura for red…. Ohhhh Lotor…the guy you guys were talking about… But….but that’s the end? ;-; OH COME THE FRIG ON!!!

 Ok so THINGS I WANNA KNOW ABOUT: - Where are the Holts? - When will they return to Earth? - If I was the enemy and knew where their home planet was I would threaten it until they gave up the lions…. - Was the Galra soldier in the stomach of that beast a female? - If so maybe….Keith’s mother? - How the hell did Keith even get to Earth? - How do Shiro and Keith know each other? - Will any of them ever see or speak of their families ever again? - I can’t fucking believe they didn’t stay to kill Zarkon…. Like if you are gonna fight your enemy then make sure they are dead. - Where the fuck is Shiro? - I never saw the original so who the fuck is Prince Lotor? - How did Keith get that knife? - When are we gonna know more about the Garrison? - Why is Haggar Altean and why did Haggar betray her people? - So far Keith being Galra and Prince Lotor are confirmed from the original series...and Shiro is missing... SO IS SHIRO GONNA DIE THEN?!  - What other things from the original should we all need to know now? DX