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stirringwinds · 4 years ago

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yosb & the historical hetalia collective

I didn’t think I could lose even more respect for this person, but here we are. You were smarter and more experienced than the rest of us when all of this happened. I completely accept that I and the other mods made mistakes in how we handled that member who was eventually banned, which we have discussed at length in our Open Letter. I completely accept that we had and still have much to learn about racism beyond our lived experiences, even if we too are women of colour. What I can’t accept is the casual way you’re just punching down at us when you were the *founder* (and still are the owner) of our Discord server and had even more mod powers. Does your friend making the podcast with you know this? In 2017, you were a Harvard grad, the rest of us were still in undergrad, and the youngest mod was finishing up her second last year of high school, even if she was picked for being creative and intelligent—Lyz/ “ok shroomer” was literally 19 when all this happened. You were older than her. You were the most popular and well-known Hetalia fancreator in our Discord server.

You did literally nothing throughout—from 2017—2020 (until you decided you needed material for your ‘fandom drama’ podcast, it seems). Not even to offer us criticism, advice or support about handling it behind the scenes. (It wasn’t because you were unaware—you were there, and during one of the incidents, all you did was meme about texas and the alamo before immediately diving out of the conversation when it became serious, or coming in to promo your “Mafia AU” and to listen to our praiseworthy comments because we genuinely loved your art) when all of this happened. The accusation isn’t that you were racist, or that you doing nothing was in of itself unforgivable. We get that you were a busy person. The unethical aspect of your actions is you doing nothing then and now thinking you’re entitled to shit on those who had to intervene (while being less experienced than you) and did so imperfectly— we were all also being directly victimised by the racist member while struggling to figure out how to handle it. It’s how you, on your Twitter, characterised all this as “drama” you had no connection to (until we made your involvement public) to your Twitter followers—instead of being on a server you founded and still owned that very moment. It’s how you so flippantly depicted what was a genuinely stressful and traumatic experience for us trying to handle that member who was causing problems, while omitting to your Twitter followers the fact that it was a Server you created and still had access to. If this is about “accountability”, you could have been serious, nuanced and spoken with an empathetic tone about the mistakes made by less-experienced, younger mods. In those tweets in mid-October, our experiences were characterised as entertainment. That is what is genuinely upsetting.

Whistleblowing? Which of us had power over you? No, you’re more like a CEO who calls a newspaper to write a humiliating exposé on a lower-level employee who fucks up and tweets about it instead of calling them to your office to explain what they did wrong. You were on cordial terms with us for months after all this happened and mentioned nothing about this—so how do you expect us to take seeing your tweets characterising what happened to us as potential material “freaky fandom drama” podcast three and a half years later as acting in good faith, instead of as cruel, exploitative and duplicitous? That’s the whole problem here. That’s why we have a hard time seeing this in good faith. You had plenty of power but did nothing, and on top of that, you are now characterising this as “whistleblowing” instead of “being complicit in allowing problems with racism to go unaddressed” or “blaming problems on younger mods and refusing to be held accountable.” Even though our groupchat was sometimes light-hearted and us joking and shitposting, it was also a place where people held multiple adult conversations about serious issues including racism. Given this prior dynamic, there’s no reason you couldn’t talk to us directly instead of covertly leaking our messages.

Yes, congratulations. You “whistleblew” a server you literally founded, where you retained the most powerful admin privileges—and where you positioned yourself as a Cool, Trusted Older Fan to us. Instead of talking to us upfront, you abused our implicit trust in you and used your admin privileges to leak our messages. You made dozens of people (some of whom weren’t even members when the incidents happened) panic at the possibility of their personal photos and information being spread over the internet. I just can’t fathom how you think your behaviour was in any way ethical or justified

Edit: This post was made by me on (24th Oct, UK time) (see tumblr timestamp), before yosb’s most recent response on her blog (29th Oct) where she significantly, adopts a very different tone from how she has tweeted about us on her public Twitter or characterised the stress and fear of retaliation we faced trying to deal with a racist member victimising our community as potential material for her “fandom drama podcast”. This post was originally made in response to her continuing to omit and mischaracterise her unethical conduct as the founder of our Discord server even after we laid out the evidence, which explained why we believed her actions to be in bad faith on 23rd Oct. Links below.

- Collective Administrator @ yosb’s involvement and exploitation of the situation.

- Letter addressing the Former Mod’s claims and how the Banned Member was handled.

#i'm so angry and disappointed #all the times we said we liked your art when you came to share it #was our community just a space for you to get likes and entertainment out of it #long post #racism mention #negativity #not tagging it he//talia as i don't want to ruin the positive posts of ppl excited for the next season.#manipulation

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antigenitalisticrrrriot · 7 years ago

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DEL_F64.0 WILL PLAY ON THE PRAVEKFEST VI !!!! [Prague]

Pravěkfest VI 6. - 8. 10. 2017

The 6th annual benefit DIY festival Pravěkfest will be held from the 6th to the 8th of October 2017! Every year we get a little bit bigger, all thanks to your interest – this time 3 days and 2 stages! On the band stage, you will experience many different genres each day, but all connected with the element of extreme music, and all sharing DIY/anti-mainstream principles. Friday is dedicated to doom and black metal, Saturday belongs to hardcore, punk, crust, grind and even gore, and on Sunday we finally move to an experintmental and alternative sound. The Freetekno stage will be located parallel to the band one, and will be managed by our friends Olgoj Chorchoj Sound System and The Prostory Revival! You can enjoy all of this in the huge and atmospheric Eternia/Underdogs club, led by great people that love the music you do too! Bands/ Djs: Máma Bubo – new wave/alternative Victims of Classwar (DE) – black metal/crust Hure (DE) – harsh noise-electro-powerviolence NOLL IQ (SWE)-fastcore-powermangel Škoda 120 - grindcore/fastcore OR – noise rock Del_F64.0 (DE) - antigenitalistic clarinetspeedcore 6MAS – crust as fuck Smuteční Slavnost -black metal/shoegaze Amoclen - grindcore Drén – harsh noise Pray For Death - crust/death metal LEZOK – unorthodox black metal Menstrual Soup - grindcore Levák Bob – speed/hardcore/violence Yamabushi – new wave/alternative/industrial Bambulkyně Dobrudružstvá – chrocht'n'roll pissover Plague Called Humanity - EBM hardcore USNU? - harsh noise/rock'n'roll Memero – breakcore (DE) Lhostejnost – drone doom Ejakulující Kokos – hawai cococore/demented gore grind Mario The Shroomer – guttural beatdown punk DJane Aisling - ebm, darkwave, deathrock, post-punk... The Prostory Revival - acid experimental Kabarga – acid/electro experimental Olgoj Chorchoj Sound System – Abalkin (live i DJ), Šišoun (DJ), Bullrot (live) Decorations by Markar

After covering our costs, donations will be given to Food Not Bombs organization – the admission is voluntary, but we recommend to give 6E per day, after giving 11 E you will be given an armlet for all 3 days! Pravěk is a project of an independent DIY literary movement that helps mostly young authors with releasing their art without waiting in the line of “unsolicited” writers and without groveling in the front of commercial publishers. DIY or die!

"Dead Bodies Shaft" stage:

Victims of Classwar

On the Friday evening the horn on Lucifer's forehead will shine brightly, with black metal and punk genres together. This might not be a matter of course for everyone, but when this connection occurs, it usually means a magnificent band – like Victims of Classwar! They play a brutal black metal indeed, with slightly crust-like drums, but in the case of their attitudes, they are punks in their hearts. And if you have seen their show at Underdogs we promoted last December, you must definitely come back!

https://victimsofclasswar.bandcamp.com/

Hure

Fuck yeah! This brutal sonic press wished to play in Prague for a long time, now they are finally coming! These two bass guitars maniacs wrapped into toilet paper, gaffer tape and into who knows else are rolling a noisy mass bordering with electronic powerviolence and harsh noise wall, which is cut by raw beats too fast to power-electronics and to shitty to techno dance. Simply unique, your head will pulse even a month after the festival!

https://hure.bandcamp.com/

Máma Bubo

The legendary new wave band from the eighties, no need to explain more! Maybe just the fact that they also feel the need to be critical to the contemporary gentrified culture and political situation, as the younger bands do. Every concert of Máma Bubo is a real celebration of the deep, unconventional not-only-music, that is not at all bitten by ravages of time. And of course you can expect something special - improvisation is these musicians’ real strongpoint!

http://bandzone.cz/mamabubo

NOLL IQ

Unbelievably nice guys from Sweden, that will make you laugh, when you see them drunk making incomprehensible Scandinavian humor, but mainly will force you to gnaw through your tongues, when they are on stage! Despite they call themselves “fuckups”, their music is remarkably technical, if you realize how fast they can play. Moreover, their first rehearsal took place on the Seth Putnam's death anniversary!

https://zeroiq.bandcamp.com/

Del_F64.0

Fucked up antigenitalistic clarinetspeedcore from hell -

two daemonic goddesses from the 696th dimension came up to terminate

the time of genitalism on earth - blood on their hands, wrath inside of their wicked large genitals

- they are warriors with the ancient powers of uhnarvhekjhbrvgabgakjhfewg

their final weapons will be heavy rhythmic velocity, electrified clarinet and the telekinetic

powers of the 4-horned psychotropical hoovergroover - get psyched

http://antigenitalisticrrrriot.tumblr.com/

https://soundcloud.com/war-doch-nur-joghurt/del_f640-bloody-chainsaw-whistle-soon-on-tape

This band became almost legendary within Prague contemporary underground - take for example the concert against racism. We almost forgot when exactly that happened – but it feels like 20 years ago! Yet their music is still full of new ideas and surprises - for example their new record sounds more like an alternative rock compared to the older dynamic noise rock stuff. Make alternative great again!

https://ornoise.wordpress.com/

Škoda 120

KEYS IN AN IGNITION/CHOKE AT FULL BLAST/ UNDER THE HOOD OVER FORTY HORSE POWER/FOUR HURRIES/JUST TURN IT OVER/ ŠKODA 120!!!! / very liberal translation/ This is one of the most merciless and furious grindcore bands that have ever played on this festival, hear the songs about people killing each other by cars! Since 1996!

http://bandzone.cz/skoda120

Smuteční Slavnost

These Afa vegan baph goats steered their unorthodox BM from depressions to post-metal and shoegaze influences, their music is nowadays more and more progressive, despite it still bears its dark garb and extreme volume. Expect the atmosphere and technique of the bands like Weigedood, Harakiri for the Sky, or in fact like the most of cascadian black metal scene.

https://smutecnislavnost.bandcamp.com/

6MAS

Moravia is known as a birthplace of many really odd crust-as-fuck-ers, which ever came up from the soil! Clamorous drum firing, vocal fights, raw sound...you know what we mean! Since their last release Rape the Earth! much beer has flowed, but the owners of this LP are aware what an energetic bomb can be expected! After Škoda 120 you will have to set the other cheek for another kick!

http://bandzone.cz/6mas

Menstrual Soup

One of the hardest and most brutal contemporary Czech bands on the extreme music scene, yet, or maybe hence, it is disregarded by many subcooltural media. Moreover, Menstrual Soup is now reinforced by the second guitarist, a bass is therefore conveyed to sludge bands. Their first release- the split with Swrab and Ejakulující Kokos- is also expected on Pravěkfest! This band is in fact a matter of family, but with only one difference - the soup is not thrust into children, but the children are thrust into the soup!

http://bandzone.cz/menstrualsoup

LEZOK

Read the name of this band backwards (and put it into the google translator of course)...can you see now? And their music is even more remarkable - the roots of composition, the atmosphere and vocals are still in black metal waters, but the usual BM structure is disrupted by not only weird guitar plies. Who have never seen them yet, will be certainly surprised. Moreover they are so perfectionist that their long-awaited album is still unfinished. So the only chance for you to enjoy LEZOK is the life show!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoQt4Uxjv4U

Amoclen

„Spell homoklín and listen grindcore with violence influences, vital as fuck....Hectolitres of sweat, the singer crawling on the ground, inhuman scream and wholehearted faithfulness to grind...“ See how faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar you can jump from the stage! :-)

http://bandzone.cz/amoclen

Usnu?

Grinding sore noise of the solitary man with his pseudo-guitar, whose heart hides a dark melancholy, maybe originating in some pervert desire to be a rockstar, or even a popstar. But for example the collaboration with UGFC - currently being prepared - will show you that under the title of “Usnu?” (shall I fall asleep?), even more sophisticated power-electronics set can be created. Anyway, on this festival he will give you almost Massona-like noise-rock'n'roll show enriched by power of Moravian vine cellars and Austrian highways. Shall you fall asleep, fucker?

http://bandzone.cz/usnu

Levák Bob

Epic Afterlife who had to cancel their show were replaced by sick-lyricists Levák Bob. This is not clear powerviolence, nor emo/screamo, but at least hardcore can be felt by all of us, right? The title of their first release, “the illusions of the shits” is also very tempting, so we are looking forward for the shit-ride!

http://bandzone.cz/levakbob

Plague Called Humanity

The boundaries between electronics and hardcore, moreover in the dark Gothic contours, are not much favored by the trend hunters yet, as one would maybe expect. PCH combines these influences with emphasis on irony and incorrectness, similar to the old school new wave, but also to actual cyber hardcore or even grindcore (imagine cybergrinder BBYB meeting electro death rock She Pleasures herself!). Anyway their first EP is an outstanding piece!

https://pchband.bandcamp.com/releases

Bambulkyně Dobrodružstvá

Bambulkyně Dobrodružstvá is both a band of fairy tale tupa tupa dancing and also a rather brutal peepshow bordering GG Allin, when various human excrements, or even some backline parts are thrown to the audience. Maybe that's why they are usually being invited especially to the birthday parties. Beware of sickles tho!

https://bambulkynedobrodrustva.bandcamp.com/

Pray for Death

This band waging a war on the edges of death metal, crust and stenchcore will set the fire certainly! One of the dark horses of the festival! The new songs with new sound are currently being prepared just to be ready for this festival, for now it is a surprise, but their incorporation into Friday’s program actually means something!

http://bandzone.cz/prayfordeath

Drén

The noisy magician is unearthly active both in releases and parties as well. Who knows our distro, is maybe already aware of his new record called Leichenhaus in the shape the black box with a rather strange smell. Beside his full scale noise terror on the main stage he will also prepare a special set on Jihadi John stage with yet unannounced confederate under a title “Don't talk to DJS“.

http://drensoundworks.blogspot.si/

Yamabushi

The origins of Yamabushi's songs can be found in Máma Bubo, Před vaším letopočtem and Yamabo bands from 80s and 90s. The contemporary face of this band is intergenerational. This gives them a certain kind of a special unpredictability (do you know that the youngest members of Yamabushi play also in Bambulkyně Dobrodružstvá?). But as Vlasta Matoušek, the band-master, anti-advertises: „The fans of this band haven't been born yet!“. Well, let’s try to conceive some :-)

http://bandzone.cz/yamabushi

Ejakulující Kokos

„Hawai coco core?!?!? What the hell is that?!?!“ Or one more review from the musical cages: „Ejakulující Kokos – mentals that are trying to play gore-grind“. And the band replies: A) We are mentals B) What is gore-grind? A band that is capable to make fun even of itself and feels no need to act as correct world savior simply belongs to this festaival too. So enjoy the palm falling on you heads!

http://bandzone.cz/kokos

Lhostejnost

This drone-doom band is sometimes reviewed as the „reall slow“ one. But that's correct at all, cos Lhostejnost (trans. Indifference) plays MOTIONLESS music. You don't jump to the abyss, the abyss will jump into you. But if you really survive it until the end, please, do not bother to applause!

http://lhostejnost.bandcamp.com/

Mario The Shroomer

Finally some young blood (or better said, cloth :-D) from Prague! These guys are by the way active promoters as well, they would offer the last hairs from their balls for a help to a touring band. Musically they absorb many influences and throw them up again in a rather original way! Guttural beatdown punk – something between death-slamming „farting to a bottle“ metal, hardcore breakdowns and gory pig squealing. And they play punk too, while you are sleeping.

https://www.facebook.com/mariotheshroomer

"Jihadi John" stage:

...in other words the stage that will cut your head off! It is gonna be managed by Olgoj Chorchoj Sound System crew, so the essential part of it will be based on acid freetekk DJs sets, but you can certainly expect also live sets with many features, especially the acid electro-visions by Kabarga or electronic acid poetry by The Prostory Revival. After the Dead Bodies Shaft will be filled, the night program will continue here, Jihadi John will also rumble the afternoon impatients. But even a transfer of some live-set musicians to the main stagecan’t be ruled out, we shall see:-) Finally, special guests will be introduced on Jihadi John stage, mainly breakcore Memero from Berlin and DJane Aisling playing new wave, death rock, dark wave etc, but also the above mentioned Drén and his secret companion will present their live set called „Don't talk to DJs! there“

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