#she'll destroy them in seconds. and 2020 shouldve made this EASIER bc like we've all seen now. the bullshit that ppl will believe despite it
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toytulini · 4 years ago
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the cycle of me realizing over and over i dont know how to make Ellie a good villain
#toy txt post#ocs#like as in i dont know what her motivation is beyond some like personal issues with Birdie#i dont knkw what she says her motivation is. but she is supposed to be birdies big antagonist but its a STRUGGLE bc everything is hollow and#empty rn bc i dont have a good motivation for her! and briefly i thought i had something in like. her being anti-science anti-hybrid magic#but i dont know how to make that WORK exactly w the magic systems i have so far#and i also dont know to what extant that would be like how far do i take that?#does she believe in medicine? is she an anti-vaxxer? does she still believe in miasma theory? fucking humoral?? that doesnt work for me#esp bc i kinda want the witch community to he Ahead of humans at least a little in figuring out like. germ theory etc. we took way too long#with that yknow? i want Birdie already doing Genetic Modification Mad Science Magic in her basement in the victorian era at the latest#i was joking awhile ago in the group chat the Ellie would technically be anti vax for her personally. but if you put her near anti vaxxers#she'll destroy them in seconds. and 2020 shouldve made this EASIER bc like we've all seen now. the bullshit that ppl will believe despite it#making no sense despite it being contradictory to their other beliefs despite it being hypocritical like it should be easier than ever to#make a villain who believes hypocritical contradictory dumb shit and yet. i cant. im struggling#what does Ellie want? she wants to politically take over the witch council. for one#why does she want that? to change things. (BUT WHAT THINGS??) frustration with how slow it is? and to specifically usurp Birdie.#turn them all against Birdie. have birdie exiled and put to death (well. she'll try. shes just making a deadly escape room)#why does she want to turn them against Birdie? she feels wronged by Birdie and is definitely projecting a whole lot of shit onto Birdie#for Birdie refusing to continue to teach her after finding out her views on Something. she Scared Birdie. Birdie had already been reluctant#to take on any pupils and she took a chance on Ellie after Ellie kept begging her to mentor her. and she regrets it#and at some point Ellie starts revealing ideologies that disturb Birdie. originally this was going tk be her extremist puritanical views on#magic. a vehement hatred for hybrid magic which she doesnt know/understand yet that birdie practices hybrid magic a lot#and Birdie gives up on her. she cannot keep teaching her. she hates the hybrid magic. and so she essentially abandons Ellie#and then Ellie latches onto that and projects a whole lot of shit onto Birdie. she hates birdie so much and wants to defeat her and destroy#her. but theres still a part of Ellie that wants Birdie's approval. which only makes her angrier and more unhinged when she tries to make a#creature like birdies creatures. and birdie is horrified by it. bc siiyr was not made well. she is created of suffering and pain and its bad#and i just. theres so much missing from ellie. there's so much there with her passion and feelings and shit. but#in terms of motivation. she feels Empty. not even like a proper fake motivation. bc i want her to have that too. it was originally her real#thing. that Birdie rejected her for. and then after birdie rejected her she Uses whatever that ideology is to get ppl to follow her.#and then at the end the world is in shambles bc of Ellie. whatever she does. its catastrophic. and she didnt predict it. she wasnt prepared
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toytulini · 4 years ago
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#Like as in I dont know what her motivation is beyond some like personal issues with Birdie #I dont know what she says her motivation is. But shes supposed to be Birdie's big antagonist but its a STRUGGLE bc everything is hollow and #empty rn bc i dont have a good motivation for her! and briefly i thought i had something in like. her being anti -science and anti-hybrid magic #but i dont know how to make that WORK exactly w the magic systems i have so far #and also i dont know to what extant that would be like how far do i take that? #does she believe in medicine? is she an anti vaxxer? does she still believe in miasma theory? fucking humoral?? thar doesnt work for me #esp bc i kinda want the witch community to be ahead of humans at least a little in figuring out like. germ theory etc. we took way too long # with that yknow? i want Birdie already doing Genetic Modification Mad Science Magic in her basement in the victorian era at the latest. #i was joking awhile ago in the group chat that Ellie would technically be anti vax for her personally. but if you out her near antivaxxers #she'll destroy them in seconds. #and 2020 shouldve made this EASIER bc like we've all seen now. the bullshit that ppl will believe despite it #making no sense despite it being contradictory despite it being hypocritical like it should be easier than ever to #make a villain who believes in hypocritical contradictory dumb shit and yet. im struggling.
#What does Ellie want? she wants to politically take over the witch council. for one #why does she want that? to change things (BUT WHAT THINGS??) Frustration with how slow it is? And to specifically usurp Birdie. #turn them all against Birdie. Have Birdie exiled and put to death. (Well. She'll try. Shes just making a deadly escape room) #why does she want to turn them against Birdie? She feels wronged by Birdie and is definitely projecting a whole lot of shit onto Birdie #for Birdie refusing to continue to teach her after finding out her views on Something. She scared Birdie. Birdie had already been reluctant #to take on any pupils and so she took a chance on Ellie after Ellie kept begging her to mentor her. And she regrets it. #and at some point Ellie starts revealing ideologies that disturb Birdie. Originally this was going ti be her extreme puritanical views on #magic. A vehement hatred for hybrid magic which she doesnt know/understand yet that Birdie practices hybrid magic a lot. #and Birdie gives up in her. She cannot keep teaching her. (Bc) she hates the hybrid magic. And so she essentially abandons Ellie. #and then Ellie latches onto that and projects a whole lot of shit onto Birdie. She hates Birdie so much and wants to defeat her and destroy #her. But theres still a part of Ellie that wants Birdie's approval. Which onky makes her angrier and more unhinged when she tries to make a #creature like Birdie's creatures. And Birdie is horrified by it. Bc Siiyr was not made well. She is created of suffering and pain and its bad. #and i just. Theres so much missing from Ellie. Theres so much there with her passion and feelings and shit. But #in terms of motivation. She feels Empty. Not even like a proper fake motivation. Bc i want her to have that too. It was originally her real #thing. That Birdie rejected her for. And then after Birdie rejected her she Uses whatever that ideology is to get ppl to follow her. #and then at end the world is in shambles bc of Ellie. Whatever she does. Its catastrophic. She wasnt prepared
Okay. Typed up the tags, and now,
She wasnt prepared for utter level of destruction wrought by her actions. And smth smth she tries to just let herself be killed by it all happening like all tragic and Birdie doesnt let her. After its all over Birdie just wakes her up and is like. Okay kid. Lets get to work, you need to clean up your mess.
I still dont know what i want her motivation, her ideology, to be. I dont want to make it, like. Bigotry, bc that feels. Cheap and gross? Like she can do better than that? And i want it to maybe be something. Understandable? Like how she got there. But i dont want it to be like. Demonizing a legit concern to try to be sympathetic? I dont quite want her to be a magneto villain where youre like "but why is she the 'villain' for that??"
I also dont want to make it like, capitalism/greed. Like yea thats a useful and believable villain motivation? I know this probably just means i need to work on other elements of the story a bit more.
I want it to be, not so bad and disturbing that she seems irredeemable and we're left wondering why Birdie doesn't just kill her and leave her dead or smth, but i also want it to be something that makes it like understandable as to why Birdie would be intensely uncomfortable with continuing to teach and interact with her. Also i want there to be an evolution of a beef between Ellie and Jula and Ellie and Jared. I feel like im underutilizing Jula. Im underutilizing all of them tbh..but unlike Krachyn, Jula is gonna get overpowered on a bigger scale.
the cycle of me realizing over and over i dont know how to make Ellie a good villain
#toy txt post#reblog#ocs#witchverse#SORRY this is so rambley and stream of conciousness i am literally just. spitting thoughts#i want Ellie to have big goals that she compromises her ethics on in her pursuit to achieve them. and then she realizes too late its not#worth it. i want her to be charismatic and beloved and unhinged and infuriated and feeling so so righteous as she commits. atrocities#blinded by her passion for her pursuit of what she believes is the greater good. caught up in her grudge against Birdie#and she has projected so much onto Birdie. the there is nothing Birdie can do right in her eyes. Birdie spends most of her time#not rising to a fight with Ellie. bc Birdie is on godlike levels of power and to nerf her i need to give her this feeling of. she cannot us#her power. birdie is restraining and holding back so so much. gah the words are almost her#here*. anyway uh also i realized Jula has. interesting antagonist potential. as a big terrifying monster that fills every room with dread#and doom. so is shunned by most ppl. and he learns witchcraft qnd how to harness his powers so he can do fucked up mind magic#enter dreams. manipulate moods. he learns how to turn the dread up or down and he can just incapacitate his enemies with anxiety if he want#and his rship w birdie would be complicated i imagine. bc she used him? she created him and used him for her own ends.#and eventually she realized maybe he wants other things in life other pursuits. and she makes jared to take over for him#and Jared is Fine with it Jared is Delighted with its job. but i imagine Jula might feel weird about it? i dont know#and i also think Jula has the potential ti have an interesting dynamic with Ellie bc. Ellie hates him on principle#of being a creature of Birdie's. being created out of hybrid magic. but then he learns magic and he practices 'pure' magic#so on that technicality she'd have to accept him. and she cant.#.....so much of this is Ellie constantly throwing the full brunt of her feelings and emotions at people who recieve it like a fucking wall#and refuse to give her any reaction which only upsets her more. huh.#ellie is terrified of jula also. in like a way that shes not as much of Krachyn and Bokrae. there's just something#About Jula that is terrifying for her. which he is. he is objectively terrifying and i love him.#gaaaaah this is going nowhere im just streaming conciousness and its nothing i have Nothing new im just Rambling#i think Jula and Krachyn help in the creation of Jared. Jared is the most terrifying one Yet.#my witchverse is too biiig and theres too much going on and its all over the place tbh
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