#shardgate was Feminism Going Too Far is an actual statement that i've seen going around the fandom

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i say that like they like fearne though because they really don't, unless you consider "let's talk about how her relationship with chetney and how he feels about her or let's talk about her relationship with ashton and what their feelings are and why she's a mean bitch that hates him even though he did nothing wrong or she's tsun for him and oops i guess she doesn't matter to orym outside of him mother-henning her for stealing shit because dorian is his bff now lol. anyways boob joke" to be liking a character.

which would gel with people insisting they love imogen and then only ever bringing up/exaggerating her flaws and insisting anybody that says nice things about her is ignoring her flaws or making shit up about her. or that "they're the real misogynists" for joking about how she's a total screw-up in a cutesy way because that's demeaning and demeaning women is misogynist. calling them ruthlessly violently egotistical demons though is giving them agency in their shitty remorselessly evil actions and very feminist! real feminism is when you refuse to be nice to women because being nice to women is coddling them. just ignore how i let the men do whatever and defend them constantly because uh. something about stopping terfs i guess.

also have you noticed that none of these fake-ass imogearne shippers never actually bring up imogearne moments in the series and its all just jokes. nothing about fearne panicking about imogen almost dying and trying to save her when she was dreaming! nothing about imogen being understanding about fearne and her feelings towards her neglectful parents! nothing before or after isslyra that doesn't have to do with HA HA TIDDIES GRABBING MAH BOOBS LOL MAKEOUTS!!! at all. couldn't you do something with any stuff prior to the party split if you actually like them as a ship before imodna happened?

or i guess you could do this, which is a Very Normal And Cool thing to do upon noticing laura bailey and the critical role crew liking a piece of fanart with depicting her character as a lesbian (not directly confirming it but being supportive of it)

but yeah no people aren't lesbophobic about disliking imod/na. totally not. they're just concerned about a toxic relationship, right?

they totally aren't shipping these fearne and imogen as a smokescreen to avoid being called out for their insane misogyny and lesbophobia. toooootally not. i'm sure they have similar feelings on people who make keyleth's whole character orbit around her romantic feelings for vax or people who make caleb's whole character orbit around his romantic feelings for essek, right? i'm sure they can name one single thing about fearne's character arc or her development or actual moments of depth from her, right? they're totally not just going to bitch about how her being upset with ashton is misandrist when they eventually get sick of using her as a shield for their misogyny, right?

totally.

not.

said something to this degree before i'm gonna be honest this is how half the imoge/arne tag ships imoge/arne.

literally why are you here if you want imogen fucking dead. i mean i know why but

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I know it wasn't the focus of your misogyny post so if I'm overstepping please ignore me, but it also really makes me mad when people "conveniently forget" that Ashton is nonbinary, especially when it justifies their shitty opinions (ie he's One Of The Boys™ so he's always correct and can do no wrong thanks to his male-based intellect unlike the awful evil women or he's an Evil Manipulative Man™ who's going out of his way to use his male-ness to harm these poor innocent helpless women because he said/did anything negative towards them). Like please y'all, they're not a man PLEASE they said their pronouns IN THE FIRST EPISODE PLEASE. Feel free to like/dislike Ashton all you want cause that's perfectly fair, but for the love of god don't be transphobic (especially to be sexist) when you do it??? Is that too much to ask??? Idk if I'm making sense/getting upset at nothing because I've seen a lot of people dismiss this as being silly or getting mad at nothing, but idk as a masc enby a lot of discussions around Ashton feel so gross? Idk though, once again ignore if I'm overstepping or anything

you are not being silly and you are not getting mad at nothing or overstepping. it's a huge problem.

i've seen way more of the former where he is misgendered as a cis male as a positive trait, so i'll be talking more about that. will be reposting my tags about this trend in fandom because i've already said my piece on it.

ashton is "schrodinger's man" to these people when they're bored with ignoring/erasing orym's respect and care towards the women in his life. they're nonbinary and trans when they're being directly defended against fans who only like the women, and they're a cis male who is a victim of violent misandry when complaining about previous drama or shipping laudmo/ore (willing to give the benefit of the doubt that maybe some of that blending is them including cis male actor taliesin jaffe but then again). the idea that shardgate was Feminism Going Too Far is an actual statement that i've seen going around the fandom, and it's gotten worse now with swordgate.

didja know there are people insisting laudna should have been abandoned by the hells or fearne should have gotten "harsher punishment" when her dad nearly killed her because both women did something selfish/impulsive and ashton was yelled at and punished for doing something selfish/impulsive? the They Only Were Upset With Ashton Because He Is A Man argument is so fucking dumb. bro almost nuked himself without telling anybody else and was the only one not forcing the shard down fearne's throat, of course they'd come to blows. and you wanna know why they didn't scream at fearne or laudna? BECAUSE THEY LEARNED TO NOT DO THAT. THEY HAD A THERAPY SESSION SPECIFICALLY TO AVOID DOING THAT SHIT AGAIN

and it really does make it obnoxious because i like him and orym's dynamic but it's so fucking frustrating seeing people make them into bell's hells leaders and Voices Of Reason just so they can say "orym is always correct because dead husband and imogen is a salty selfish bitch" or "ashton is always correct because tough love & street smarts and imogen is just a salty selfish bitch" that it immediately sets off red flags for me if someone says those guys are their favorite bh characters. and it sucks because i love orym and ashton too!

obligatory "both sides though" mention: yes. there are im/odna shippers that fantasize about "punishing" or murdering ashton. they do that to dorian and orym too. i am aware of them and i have seen them. i have 90% of them blocked lmao

and i have also talked about this before but the amount of people i've seen insisting callowm/oore is a bad homophobic cishet ship that erases fearne's pansexuality is BIZARRE. this argument was used to prop up fearn/iture which makes no fucking sense to me since chetney is, as far as we know, cisgender. we might not know ashton's sexuality proper but it's safe to assume they aren't heterosexual as they've flirted with people of many genders. also there was this genuine debate if as/hrym was a homophobic ship because orym only dates men... and. well. i don't think it'd be the same as shipping keyleth with orym, let's put it that way lol