#rwby fiona/tyrion

[marrow-minded]

you want rarepairs/crackships? i'll name you some of mine, so enjoy my long ramble:

-ironhill (Ironwood x Robyn) - HEAR ME OUT! i know Ironwood is disliked in rwby fandom while Robyn is, i'll safely say, unpopular in rwde community, BUT there's a certain charm of shipping disliked character with a liked character, especially when the views of the characters differ in different fandoms. Romeo & Juliet who?/j

But joking aside, i started shipping them when Robyn was like "i thought you were a jerk & didn't care about others, but i was wrong.". Call me basic but i like when two characters find a middle ground/realize they're not what they thought the other one was.

In all honestly their relationship was such a wasted potential and yes i am also saying it because i ship them, but with the theme of trust going around it would have been cool to have Ironwood & Robyn team up and become allies - with Ironwood representing Atlas & Robyn representing Mantle. Not to mention, BOTH care about their Atlas & Mantle and want the best for it's people. Just two leaders who didnt see eye to eye, only to realize both have the same goals in mind and are not each others enemy (it's Jacques)

Right now i can't name other reasons why you should like my ironhill propaganda, but consider this - they both hate jacques so that should be a sign they're soulmates/j & they both having shooting type weapons.

But even if you don't ship it, you have to admit their relationship was a wasted potential :/

-invisible poison(?) (Tyrian x Fiona) - HEAR ME OUT...it is mostly centered around them being Faunus, BUT the thing is Fiona is a sheep Faunus and Tyrian is a scorpion Faunus. Sheeps in general are seen in a positive light, while scorpions are seen in a negative light.

It's hard to put in words, but it would be interesting to explore how these two, while being Faunus had different experiences with how others treated them due to what type of Faunus they are. (Not to say Fiona never got discriminated against for being a Faunus in general).

Both are also very loyal to their leaders (Salem & Robyn), so yeah parallels...sort of. And my mind then came up with a scene where they fight and Fiona questions Tyrian on how he could be loyal to someone like Salem and he answer with that Salem is the only one who accepts him fully, never treating him badly due to him being a Faunus, UNLIKE certain other leader who called a dog Faunus "Waggs" & just makes Fiona question her role in HH and if she would have been treated differently by them if she had been a "dangerous" type of Faunus (but let's be honest he would mostly say this to mess with her)

There's the whole aesthetic/tropes with them too - short x tall, good x evil, kind x terrible etc. And I once decided to search them on google in case I find something, and while it wasn't a fanart, I did found a drawing of them together, so that's something.

-firewall/electric fire (?) (Watts x Cinder) - they hate each other and that whole balcony scene of Watts calling out Cinder's bullshit. Also unlike Ironwatts & Ironwood x Jacques, instead of them having divorced & sick of each other exes vibe, they rather have two people who refuse to get a divorce because they're petty af and want to see the other sufer. Next question

-target practice/pvp (?) (Penny x Pyrrha) - i might not ship it as i used to, but i think it started when i thought about how Pyrrha died thinking Penny is dead (which she was and will be), while Penny got brought back, not knowing Pyrrha is dead (does she know it is unknown but for the sake of angst im chosing this option) and then my mind thought of PvP Childhood AU, where Penny got the chance to travel around the world years ago and befriended Pyrrha with them keeping in touch over the years and getting to see each again other at the Vytal festival.

And yes that does make their fight a lot more devastating because now Pyrrha dies feeling the guilt of killing her best friend and Penny comes back only to learn her best friend is gone and died not knowing she's alive (if we assume bringing Penny took a lot of time).

Aside from the angst, I think they could have had a cute dynamic :)

-envy zinnia (Emerald x Ren) - it's the "because she's scared just like us" for me (dont remember if he said that because he used his semblance). It's the way Emerald reacted to his words and denied them. It's the way Ren looked at Emerald while others were arguing about her joining the team (i think it was Yang who mostly against it).

It's the idea of Emerald assuming Ren can read her well because of his semblance and trusts her based on that, only to learn he had never used his semblance and trusts her, because he wants to and sees good in her for me.

It's the idea of Ren feeling complicated about his feelings about Nora, because he feels like he should fall in love with her given she's his best friend and had always been by his side, only to fall in love with his former enemy. (nooo, i did not drop the summary of my wip here, nooo)

There isn't much with this ship, for me this mostly being "hey this is a neat one" only to then imagine Emerald getting flustered over Ren holding her hand or looking at her with a soft gaze in his eyes.

OKAY YOU SENT ME A LOT (WHICH I LOVE THANK YOU SO SO MUCH) so im gonna put my responses under a readmore bc i do actually wanna put thought into each of these

okayyyyy lets start with IRONHILL: well i think ironwood is a whole gay man but thats just MY hc so like. of the female characters u can ship him with its not the WORST option? like i 100% totally get what u mean that sometimes theres so much wasted potential or a better story hidden behind a dynamic that you either dont get to see on screen or doesnt get nearly enough to work with that u kinda end up shipping them just bc u want more of them. im not sure i see any romantic or sexual chemistry between them personally so i feel like i would "ship" them as like Business Partners. like

robyn: would you like... to form an alliance with me

james: ... yes, yes i would

robyn: EXCELLENT >:333

NOW TYRION/FIONA. This Interests Me. like i love corruption type romances, where the innocent or happy or naive one gets a dark or bad boy or straight up evil lover. some real hades/persephone type shit. ive said before that i love angel/demon imagery and u cant get more heavenly than a lamb. also i do agree that i think their parallels of their roles are very interesting and i also dont like robyn so anything that gets fiona away from her is good with me! i feel like i would really love like almost a roleswap of them? like a fiona slated to be a maiden candidate for salem, on the bad guys side, and a tyrion that was still fucked up but he is like on ironwoods payroll as a ace-op special assassin or something, like i feel like that would be really fun LOL or like a tryion that was just SLIGHTLY less insane and not on salems side but like is still a bad guy and he gets wounded and fiona finds him dying in the woods or something and brings him back to her little cottage and fixes him up and they bond as he recovers like THATS TASTY

cinder/watts im not a fan of. i do get what u mean about them having toxic divorced exes energy but i feel like watts/ironwood does that in a way sexier and fun way and i dont want to subject cinder to that sort of vibe tbh (i have another cinder-centric rarepair thats genuinely my cinder otp so theres also that)

TARGET PRACTICE IS A FUCKED UP NAME FOR PYRRHA/PENNY SKCBSODBSPEHEJ but pvp is deffo something i get... in a completely au context. like nothing about their canon vibes click for me? but with ur whole childhood friends thing i get it; i think like if somebody told me to outline a pvp fic, i would like. okay pyrrha is brought to beacon on a special recommendation and before she even starts the school, shes brought in and told about the maidens and magic and penny and the proposal to make her the next autumn and penny the next winter and ironwood and ozpin ask if shes willing and if she is, will she work with penny? and the two of them are assigned as partners (meaning jaune gets a new partner which according to canon would be WEISS so hello thats fun) and they bond and struggle with making friends and being 'normal' with these pressures and its quite bittersweet and emo and cute i like it

NOW YOU HAVE TOTALLY SOLD ME ON EMERALD/REN. i love putting ren with literally any other character and i feel like emerald has such a simple but good character that she can fit with a lot of people and tbh u really have sold me on them. i really like the imagery of like ren and emerald both having this barrier for whatever reason that prevents them from being open and honest with their feelings but using their semblances as different private u iqie communication that just WORKS for them they are both autistic and hot and i think they should kiss also their shades of green being complimentary and ren and her just having this really fun dynamic of them both being really snarky and sassy but quiet and observant and they just VIBE im highkey lowkey obsessed with the idea... ren and nora are side characters in my fic but they are on a team with merc and emerald (trust the process) and the plan is currently actually emerald/neon but... somethings may have to be rearranged bc im actually really REALLY into the idea of ren and emerald... SHIT YOU ACTUALLY DID IT YOU ACTUALLY SOLD ME ON REMERALD.....

[mylordshesacactus]

All right but, real talk.

Tyrian targeted Fiona on purpose. He did NOT target Robyn, despite ample opportunity to kill her. This is also on purpose. This is Phase One of the plan, and Robin Hood isn’t an outlaw yet.

So how is Robyn going to become an outlaw? Well. There are about as many versions of that story as there are Robin Hood myth variations, which is to say, Entirely Too Goddamn Many, but one of the more common versions is the one I’m also best personally familiar with, so I’m working off that one.

In that version, Robin is not framed. Robin is goaded.

A group of assholes, who view him as competition (sometimes this is combined with the archery competition, sometimes it’s a different archery competition, sometimes it’s for a well-paying job that’s meant to go to a fine archer), dislike his skill and his determination as well as his popularity. So they insult him. They taunt him. They cast aspersions on his character and his abilities--and finally they point to a target that he’d never normally be stupid enough to fire at, but he’s so angry, and needs so badly to shut them up, that he takes it. And it works. It’s a perfect shot. And then he remembers the penalty for poaching.

Team Salem needs Robyn to shoot the king’s deer.

And platonic or romantic or somewhere in between--Tyrian knew that if he wanted Robyn so wildly furious that she can be goaded into doing something stupid, or else so rattled that a whip-smart and cynical rebel leader won’t see the trap coming--

If they want Robyn unstable enough to be manipulated, the best way to do that is apparently to hurt Fiona.

[knights-of-onyx]

RWBY Volume 8 is Over Now

Yes it is over, and for the record, this post is NOT a review of RWBY Volume 8. I may do one soon. This post is more of me slightly venting about an issue that has admittedly plagued RWBY since it's debut. And that issue is...

Too Many Characters

I know that I joke about hating how a character is killed off, but it's part of the story, and I get that. What I don't get is why this show continues to have such an abundance of characters compared to the length of the show.

Case in point: This is a list of ALL the characters (hopefully I don't forget any) that have had some screen time that I would consider notable during volume 8:

Ruby

Weiss

Blake

Yang

Jaune

Nora

Ren

Oscar/Ozpin

Qrow

Robyn

Salem

Arthur Watts

Cinder

Tyrion

Hazel

Emerald

Mercury

Neo

Maria

Pietro

Penny

Harriet

Marrow

Elm

Vine

Winter

James

Jacques

Willow

Whitley

Klein

Joanna

Fiona

May

The Hound

Jinn

Ambrosius

I apologize in advance if I missed anyone, but let me put it to you this way, that's A LOT of characters crammed into 14 chapters, each roughly 15 minutes in length. Granted some of these characters are minor, and I get that. However, everytime a minor character is given some screentime, time is taken away from the titular characters of the show. I know that we need to show the minor characters, and what they have been up to, but the focus should still be on Ruby, Weiss, Blake, and Yang. There are periods throughout the show, not just Volume 8, that make me wonder if a scene is particularly necessary if it has no impact towards the protagonists, either immediately or in the near future.

In a show of this length, I believe that less is more, but that's my opinion. What do you all think?

[luimnigh]

Just read your ask about fndm's emotional attachment problem, and while yeah, I've never seen people get so angry at secondary characters like team 3sn not having "enough screentime", this situation also feels different. For example, do you think we would have had the same reaction if Fiona had died, murdered by Tyrion? Or if Robyn had died in the crash? I don't feel it would have been the same, and I have a theory on that but I would like your opinion first.

I did point out in my post that that the vast majority of the backlash regarding Clover’s death was nothing to do with the FNDM’s problems with expectations. 

To put it very simply, Clover and Qrow’s relationship looked romantic. I personally believed it was romantic. Other people who’s opinion I respect think differently. But a good chunk of the fanbase interpreted it as a romantic narrative.

And thus, Clover’s death presents a problem outside of the actual narrative of the show.

LGBT representation in media is something that has vastly improved over the decades, but still has a long way to go. One of the problematic tropes that’s appeared as gay characters have become more frequent in media is called “Bury Your Gays”.

In essence, LGBT characters exist in the show, but their narrative is one of tragedy, ending in an early death. This arose from several fronts: homophobic creators making their villains LGBT as a sign of villainy(and as a result, the heroes beat them in the end, resulting in the villain’s death), homophobic creators/studios/publishers “punishing” LGBT characters for being LGBT, and then the AIDS crisis became big news in the 80s/90s and was used as a basis for tragic narratives.

But most importantly here, one flavour of “Bury Your Gays” is to bring two LGBT characters together in a relationship, and then kill one off to avoid actually depicting the relationship. Effectively trying to pander to LGBT people and homophobes at the same time. 

Now, I want to make it clear: what happened to Clover is not an example of “Bury Your Gays”. In order to be “Bury Your Gays”, it has to be that specifically the gay characters are targeted for death in a story of mostly straight people. RWBY, meanwhile, has quite a lot of LGBT rep, including two title characters. The main romantic arc of the entire show is an LGBT one. 

But while RWBY has a lot of Lesbians, Female Bisexuals, and even a canonically Transgender character, it’s lacking in explicitly Gay and Male Bisexual (also known as Men Loving Men, or MLM) characters. There’s been some in the background, and Scarlet David of Team SSSN is confirmed to be Gay, but it’s very much not on the same level as other representation.

Starting from Chapter 3 of Volume 7, RWBY started building the relationship between Qrow and Clover. Those looking for MLM representation in the show latched onto this, because... well, the show was building up a positive relationship between two men who were outright parallels to each other. Clover was basically designed to be Qrow’s perfect partner. 

So, we had a community looking for MLM representation that has been hurt before by creators killing said representation off; a show that has been introducing more and more LGBT representation as it goes on; two months worth of emotional investment into the pairing; people believing that the pairing was going to happen because of the show’s reputation for good LGBT representation; outside marketing giving the relationship between the two some spotlight; and a character who was introduced to us in a negative light but given positive spotlight afterwards in order to throw us off the fact that he was going to end up an antagonist.

It was the perfect storm. 

While this wasn’t an example of “Bury Your Gays”, to the people who believed that this would be the awaited MLM rep, it hurt in the same way. It probably hurt worse, because for other shows LGBT fans know to be wary around representation, but RWBY had proven itself already. There was trust there, where there wouldn’t be for other shows. 

CRWBY very much didn’t intend for it to go down this way, but the author’s intent rarely matters when it comes to fan reactions to their work.

[sapphic-yang]

RWBY Volume 7: Chapter 6

Thoughts and Theories:

1. Poor Penny! Ruby’s gonna need to find her for a talk. But I can’t help feeling her arc is going to once again end in tragedy.

2. Big focus on semblances this episode. Marrow’s OP as hell, but I’m more interested in the rest. More mystery around Ruby’s Petal Burst, still teasing Oscar’s semblance. And then there’s Ren. Is his like Qrow’s? Does he have trouble shutting it off so that he can feel? That would suck. he also seems to be evolving it, able to sense other people by feeling their emotions. Also Tyrion’s semblance might very well be the power to cut through aura. That would explain how he shattered Ruby’s so easily in volume 4.

3. OK, I’m calling it that Marrow and Robyn used to be partners. ‘Wags’? That’s so cute. I wonder what happened to break them up. Might have been May, she and Marrow seem to have the most tension where as Fiona is pretty nice and Johanna just doesn’t seem to care. Is May Marigold Robyn’s Maid Marian? I know every wants her with Fiona but...

4. Weiss is adorable and can now beat her sister in sparring. There’s no way this volume doesn’t end without a duel for real.

5. Nora raises many good points in this episode, but besides slaying bee-related homophobia she also brings up the possibility that someone other than Oz might be able to kill Salem. I wonder if we’ll get an answer to that question before the volume is done.

6. I do not like that Watts has a PennyCam. He see everything that she does? If so, points toward the hacked-Penny theory.

7. This was the episode of ‘being 100% done with your friends in relationships’ and it was awesome.

8. This is easily one of the most brutal episode of RWBY and a total roller-coaster. Easily the best episode since ‘The Lost Fable’. In particular, shout out to the slow terror of seeing the polls slowly tick over into Jacques’ favor.

[theonceoverthinker]

RWBY Volume 7, Episode 6 Thoughts

I tagged this up the butt, but I’m still gonna stick a cut here for people not into spoilers because this episode seriously needs it.

-Wow. That entire sequence in the dark was a massive gut punch, on par with any of Volume 3′s last few episodes. I love the contrast of happiness right before the election’s last few seconds. It made the travesty Tyrion and Watts launched Robyn’s rally with all the worse. Damn RT, that was just powerful. The fact that it was only a few minutes really factored into that sense of Atlas changing in the blink of an eye, and all the panic and fear associated with it. That shot of all the dead bodies...that is easily in the top five darkest moments in the series!

-The civil war in Atlas is shaping up to be such an engaging conflict. I love the turmoil and confusion the election night set up. Everything from all the craziness involving Penny to Jacques’ surprise win to the tension between Marrow and Robyn’s crew to Fiona’s (potential) death (Honestly, it’s that whole uncertainty that makes that scene all the more powerful, really) to the fallout of the riots is building everything towards a direction that’s so unclear, but one I’m desperately excited to watch. Those red lights were amazing displays of just how dangerous this season is about to become.

-Penny...I can’t even imagine what must be going through her head right now. I have no idea as to what someone so clearly traumatized with what she just saw, but also so dead set on protecting Mantle will do. Will she go to take on Grimm, or will she do as Marrow asked and just go back to Atlas? I like how that was left a bit unclear. Also, I like how Ruby wasn’t given time to explain what happened to Penny. I mean, it makes my heart hurt, but as for it being well written? It was SO good!

-Everyone is getting so much more talented! From Jaune’s improved healing time to Ruby’s split movements, you can see how the resources of Atlas have really helped the extended team improve!

Now, because we seriously need it after all of that, let’s turn away from the darkness for a moment and enjoy some shippy goodness in a segment I like to call Flipping My Ship!!

-Bumbleby was the cutest fucking thing in the episode. They’re going to a party together, dressing up for that party with makeup, comparing dancing moves, making eyes at each other, and just being adorable! Hell, Nora ships them so blatantly and the Renora parallels are so good! 

-Speaking of Nora...I’m of two minds on my feelings over R*nora (Ergo, why I’m using the asterix). On one hand, I like that it was finally resolved here, and that was a great kiss. On the other hand though, given how couple-y Ren and Nora were acting in Season 4 and the Season 6 intro, how Ren was feeling up to this point felt...odd, and I don’t think a kiss was the best solution. The whole ‘Ren being aloof’ subplot felt so jarring, and if that kiss was the resolution, then it’s a subplot which didn’t really need to exist. That’s why I’m honestly happy it’s over and they can go back to being fluffy little beans.

-I’m not even upset that we didn’t get a Fair Game moment in this episode, because we literally did not have the time for it! BUT I’m hoping for them to take down a Grimm together in the next episode, perhaps using one of those combo moves I was theorizing about!

-Nuts and Dolts is cute. I honestly like most every Ruby ship, and Season 7 is when I started straight up adoring Nuts and Dolts! I hope we see Ruby comforting (Or perhaps saving) Penny in the episodes to come. I love how Ruby basically sticks to Penny like glue for the bulk of the sweet parts of the episode, and it’s only when they’re apart that shit hits the fan during the election proceedings.

[dresspheres]

The following RWBY characters have been updated with icons from Volume 8:

Fiona Thyme

Flynt Coal

Glynda Goodwitch

Illia Amitola

Jacques Schnee

Jinn

Klein Sieben

Mercury Black

Neon Katt

Taiyang Xiao Long

Tyrion Callows