#please do what is recommended if ur apart of any fandom that has to do with any of this!!!

[phoenixfangs]

Coming from me, someone who has only played the first game, about AA: What ships in the fandom do you think people just Don't Get? I know the big one being the boys Miles and Pheonix so odds of numbers people are likely to mess up that dynamic often.

But any others that stand out in the fandom that have you thinking They Wouldn't Say That vibe? Please, feel free to go wild, I'm curious

kobi im kissing u on ur mouth for indulging me

ur totally right that people get narumitsu wrong, ill steal a phrase from pepper analysis of franmaya (another ship people get totally wrong but they explained it better in fewer words djffkj) to say that people often reduce them to sunshine boy and grump (boring dynamic), or worse, seme and uke. people will really write these guys like theyre bad yaoi stereotypes and think its Good just because it made them horny

now i love yaoi. i love porn. i love porn of these guys. but they are the MOST complex characters in the entire series, so reducing them to Just top/bottom for the sake of beating off to it is so. idk frustrating lol

its not all bad though, my buddy bloodofgrapes (hiiii hello grapes) probably produces my favorite nsfw content where bdsm concepts and roles like top/bottom are Intentionally Part Of It, because he actually puts a lot of thought into the dynamic as it pertains to phoenix and miles, rather than just stapling yaoi tropes onto them. the characterization in his comics/fanart is top notch, high recommendation 👌 (obviously this also means the non nsfw content that grapes makes is excellent too, as an aside)

idk if u know who kristoph is, if ive perhaps auts-ed out at u about him before, but he and phoenix make up krisnix, which is my Current ship brainworm. i dont even bother looking up ship content of them because me and pepper are the only people on the planet who understand them apart, and them together. read a fic where (admittedly they werent dating, idr if they had a relationship pre-fic but whatever this is more about the general dynamic) kris abducted, tortured, and like Half Killed phoenix and yknow as much as i feel kris Wants phoenix dead, kris is SO hung up on having phoenix in his life that he could never actually go through with killing phoenix. hed probably kill himself right after djfkfjdja he wouldnt know what to do with himself if phoenix werent around

aside from that one fic, my Dread is that people write it to be this completely one-sided abusive relationship where phoenix is a hapless victim and its up to miles to (somehow) save him by being his Real Love, because a kinder codependent relationship with the "correct" partner is the solution to a mean codependent toxic relationship 🙄 and the thought of that makes me sick to my ass

the thing about krisnix is that its, to quote one of my favorite jokes/lines in vbros, "a game of cat and also cat": there are highs and lows, wins and losses, for both parties because they are worthy adversaries, they are contemporaries. i think kris Does do a lot of shitty toxic things to phoenix, but i dont think phoenix is above giving some of that energy back during the 7 years they know and are circling each other. To Me its very much unhealthy obsession by the blake robinson synthetic orchestra, theyre Definitely stalking each other

and also they fuck nasty

[dreamonminecraft]

hi! i’m really new to like this side of fandoms, i’ve watched mark for a few months and then found unus annus and now am a big fan of ethan, but I just wanted to ask, can you explain the whole backflip boy thing? like, i know that ethan did a backflip at a panel I think and that’s how they met, but is there any more? what’s the general history between mark and ethan?

also, do you have any recommendations of their content to watch? whether with both mark and ethan or just one of them?

sorry for asking so many questions!!!! i’m really excited to find someone/something new, and i’m glad i stumbled upon ur blog to help introduce me a little :) thanks <3

I'd be honored!

Ethan's been a big fan of Mark since he started his channel. In the beginning Mark was one of a couple people that inspired him to really start making content.

In 2014, Ethan went to PAX East, where he met Mark outside. He filmed the whole thing in a vlog, but it seems to be lost to the times (I wouldn't be surprised if he privated it)

He met Mark, said hi, they took a selfie (it's so awkward) and then Ethan asked to do a backflip for him. Mark was all "Oh cool, yeah, but please God be careful" so Ethan backed up and did a backflip in a crowd of people

And then he went back over to Mark, asked him for a hug, started saying how he's one of his biggest inspirations and all that sappy shit (he starts crying)

Anyway so then the next year, Ethan goes back to PAX and actually goes to Mark's panel. They're taking questions so Ethan flags Bob down, tells him that he wants to do a backflip for Mark (in Ethan's recollection "Bob, Bob, I have to do a backflip for Mark" ) and so he runs up to the front of the room (here's the link)

After hugging "Jack", he tries to hug Mark and he jokes about calling security because he hugged Jack and doesn't get to hug him. Anyway so Ethan backs down off stage, Mark asks him what he wants but Ethan's too starstruck to tell him, so Mark says "you're backflip dude right?" And Ethan giggles.

Mark turns towards the audience and says "he did a backflip for me last year" and then they blab for another couple seconds before Ethan does the backflip while the whole audience is chanting "backflip" and Mark is yelling "don't kill yourself" so yeah...

Then they hung out together at Indy Pop Con and Dave and Buster's for Mark's birthday just a few months later (crazy how things work)

Yeah so at that point Ethan was 18 and had just graduated high school. In early October of 2016, Mark calls Ethan and asks him if he wants to move to LA to make videos. Ethan, obviously, quits his job as a manager at a BBQ restaurant and says yes. (Video link)

And then in November, he moves to LA, gets an apartment, and starts recording videos with Mark, Tyler, Amy, Kathryn, etc.

Obviously you can probably figure out where it goes from here. They film together, they do charity streams, they do A Date With Markiplier, go on tour, Who Killed Markiplier, etc. And then Ethan quits as Mark's editor at the end of 2018. (The tour lasted almost 2 years for the record) He's actually making things for his channel and his channel alone.

They've talked about it before, but at that point, both Mark and Ethan were excited to see what he would do with his channel. Mark said he was disappointed, Ethan said he felt stuck. They recorded Markiplier Makes throughout the entire time and Ethan's mental health was very clearly not great.

In the first 7 months of 2019, they record together 4 times. (One is for Heist, 2 are Markiplier Makes, one is on the 3 peens podcast). In September, Ethan's recording a video where he eats not-peanut peanut butter but doesn't have anything to compare it to, so he texts Mark. Mark comes over and they film the video.

In October, Mark is busy promoting Heist. Ethan's back to making things on his own, but said at this point, he and Mark had been reminded how much fun they have recording videos together. On the 30th, Heist comes out, and Mark's eyes are set on the next project.

They're at Buffalo Wild Wings. Ethan told Mark he wants to make a second channel for non-gaming videos. Mark says he has an idea for a self-distructing channel. They meet up to discuss.

They laugh about the name and get planning and filming. They film two weeks worth of content before getting too excited and starting the channel publicly.

And then the rest is pretty much up to now. Crazy how their story worked out, but I'm glad it did.