#or a cartoon series i'm sure they're cooking up

[miraculouslbcnreactions]

This thoughts still cooking, so it might not make sense, but I think Thomas (Tomas?) Astruc is a very good case study on how being too attached to your own ideas can hinder your story telling.

I don't mean this in a "Thomas's original idea for the series was bad", but rather that he seems so attached to this concept that he can't stand other people having a differing view from him.

Chloe's the titular example here. Some people thought she deserved a redemption arc, and instead of just saying "nah, I don't think so" and continuing to write her the same way he had been, he had to prove them wrong, prove that his idea was the only correct one, and so turned her into the spawn of Satan and let her rule over Paris for some reason.

Instead of making Marinette less stalker-y, he wrote an entire episode poorly justifying it. And, imao, somewhat diminishing what PTSD actually is and does to people.

I'm not saying he has to make any change (though I think making Marinette less stalker-y would be a good change), but instead of 1.) sticking to his resolve or 2.) taking the criticism, he clung dearly onto this perception of his characters and his writing suffered because of how much he had to twist things to "prove" that his original assertions were right. And also that everyone who disagreed with him was wrong and didn't understand

idk if that makes sense, but the concepts been lingering in my head recently

It makes perfect sense! I've had similar thoughts. It's hard to say for sure, but Miraculous may be a case study in "kill your darlings". I'm not deep into the behind-the-scenes lore and I was not here in the early fandom, but I do know that, at some point, a much darker version of the show was pitched. That's why these exist (image source):

[Image description: two sketches styled like comic book covers. Both have the title "The Mini Menace Ladybug". The left cover shows Marinette's silhouette in a doorway. The door's glass and the glass of a nearby window are broken. In the foreground lies a hand holding a ladybug charm. The hand is limp and surrounded by blood, implying that someone is injured or dead. The right cover is Ladybug doing a spinning kick while looking angry.]

We also have this evidence of the darker original concept:

Jeremy Zag then proposed another project... which he was unable to sell to broadcasters... the project was called "Ladybug". No one was interested, as the project was aimed more at an adult audience... Sébastien had to make sure that the project could be broadcast on Disney and TF1.... Thomas wanted to make a series for adults, but at the time, it was very complicated to make a cartoon for adults. What's more, they didn't have enough money to take on such a project. Sébastien finally agreed, but there were some changes to be made, which Thomas accepted... In the end, Thomas Astruc's entire project was discarded, leaving only the love story between the two heroes and the city of Paris, where the story was to take place.

I've been aware of this darker origin story for a while due to Tumblr and, because of this knowledge, I have often had the thought, "are the writers trying to sneak elements from this darker version into canon?" Because that's the most likely explanation for what's going on here.

If I'm right, then I think that was a terrible move on their parts. They needed to let go of the story that they couldn't sell and embrace the story that they're being allowed to tell. It's why "kill you darlings" is such good advice. Many good stories have been ruined by writers clinging to an idea that ultimately doesn't work for some reason.

It's why the sitcom How I Met Your Mother has such a universally hated ending. The show was originally supposed to go for two seasons and so they wrote an ending that would fit the second season. The show ended up running for nine seasons and, by then, the ending didn't fit, but the writers kept it and left everyone with a bad taste in their mouths, which is not what any writer wants. That's why you have to do what's best for the story even if it means abandoning something that you really love.

This early version of canon may also be why the writers are so obsessed with Marinette. My understanding is that this concept had her mainly acting as a solo hero and, oh look! What is one of canon's biggest problems? Marinette being treated like a solo hero even though she has a partner and, later on, a team!

Not saying that this theory has to be true, just saying that it would explain some things. And if they're poisoning canon by trying to include elements from their darker original? Then it makes sense to assume that they're also doing it for smaller stuff. Like I'm pretty sure I've read that the head writer wanted Chat Blanc to be a lot darker originally, but no one would green light it, so we got an incredibly lackluster episode that spat in the face of the genres Miraculous' is trying to be part of while also falling to have the sort of impact we'd expect from an episode like that. It's a good example of a darling that really should have been killed. It just doesn't fit.

(Totally unrelated sidenote, but is your blog name from Tangled? Because that's what I immediately thought of and it made me smile!)

[miimo96]

Oh y'all KNOW I had to talk about this, I don't know about you but I am absolutely excited to see what DC has in store for us in the future with these 2 shows, finally Green lantern is getting the recognition he deserves because ever since the green lantern movie back 2011, nobody really cares or even tries to touch green lantern and instead treats them like a joke or the effing plague, which is really a shame because they're one of the most creative and interesting characters in all of DC,

like between talking place in space and having a roster which basically represents all sides of the damn emotional spectrum, they're never really given that much attention aside from only having 1 cartoon series and a few animated projects here and there, which really sux in my opinion, because they're lore and concepts are so interesting to me that I really wish we saw it more, I'm hoping that this show will be good considering DC knows how to cook when it comes to animation and not really movie's, (unless you're batman, we'll have to see in July but as of now, not really) but also because this will be in the same universe as My Adventures with Superman, which is already a win for me considering how GOOD that show was ^^

Judging from the synopsis it looks like the show will be featuring Jessica Cruz as the main Green lantern, which sounds however a part of me really wishes that they had gone went with Kyle rayner since he's such an underrated lantern and not that many people know about and seeing his journey from going to green to white lantern would've been such an awesome thing to see, I hoping we'll get to see more iconic lantern characters show up and probably help train Jessica like Hal Jordan, John Stewart, guy gardner, killowog and maybe even Kyle rayner, considering you need a lot of training to use that damn ring 😅 I'm also hoping the design for her will be very similar to the one from DC Superhero girls considering that design is just really good and I absolutely just love the little green streak in her hair when she goes lantern mode, it just adds a little bit of extra flavor if ya know what I mean, I'm hoping to see a lot of lantern Villains also show up because GL actually has a suprising amount of rogues in his roster like Atrocious and the man hunters but I'm pretty sure whatever they do it will be absolutely good, it's great to see the impact that MAWS has had and I'm really excited to see what they do next.

I also really can't wait to see what the people at DC have in store for us when it comes down to this Starfire tv show because aside from being 1 of my favorite characters in Teen titans as well as one of my mains in injustice 2, she never really gets that much attention aside from always being associated with the titans, so I'm really interested to see her backstory played out and adapted for modern audiences to see,

I'm hoping the cast and animation will be good considering the absolute TRASH we've had for the past decade *cough, cough, Teen titans Go, cough cough* like don't get me wrong I loved the colors they used for and characters in that show but that series was NOT Teen titans, however I do hope they go with a similar approach and use bright eye catching colors for her, ESPECIALLY since it would be a GOOD contrast between her and her sister Blackfire and would fit really well with the overall theme of space and the Cosmo's, judging from the logo it looks like it could be really good but we'll have to wait and see when it comes out, but lemme know what you guys think, are you excited for these shows or not really? I know I am ^^