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musical-chick-13 · 1 year ago

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Daemon literally choked Rhaenyra on the show and not in a kinky way.

I think I vaguely remember hearing about this?

Which is...certainly something in the face of all the "wife guy" jokes I also and more consistently heard about Daemon.

Also certainly something that the consistent violence by men toward women on GoT was (rightfully) criticized, but I haven't seen reams of Discourse™ about this particular ship.

(Also certainly something else that Cersei was always blamed for every single thing in regard to her relationship with Jaime and you never heard the fucking end of it, but whatever Daemon does is fine for some reason? misogyny the reason is misogyny)

And again. People can ship whatever they want. People can like characters who aren't good people. I don't think this ship (i.e. D/R) would be particularly interesting to me (for a variety of reasons), but I'm not going to say that someone is a Horrible Person™ for shipping it. Just don't try to weirdly moralize a dynamic like this by saying that it has no problems? To the point where it's some strange Exception™ to what you would otherwise consider a completely unacceptable thing to explore in fiction? Genuinely, what does that accomplish. It really is just the hypocrisy for me.

You can like a fraught or unhealthy or problematic or [insert similar adjective here] fictional dynamic. I like plenty of those. But I don't understand this trend of going, "Well my preferred type of Dark Fictional Content is acceptable and fine for THESE arbitrary reasons. The rest of you should burn in hell for the Dark Fictional Content YOU enjoy though," and it is starting to get insufferably annoying.

#multi t(ASK)ing #tw: incest mention #tw: domestic violence #tw: choking #I did not fight in the TRENCHES for YEARS and get HARASSED AT CONS for people to turn around and pull this shit lmao #(still thinking of that one time I got hit on with an incest joke BY A PANEL MODERATOR IN FRONT OF AN AUDIENCE because I was #cosplaying cersei.......truly you can't make this shit up)#you really can just say 'this example of this narrative device worked for me and this other one didn't' and leave it at that. no one #will die if you do that I promise. it's really easy.#you can also say 'I like exploring [x] topic and not [y] topic'. this is also really easy and no one will die if you do it.#and like. again 'a man is flawed a woman is a one-dimensional bitch' we know this we know this is how fandom operates #but I think there's also something to be said here about pRoBLeMaTiC m/f dynamics where the man is considered the worse person #vs where the woman is considered the worse person. the first one is interesting and edgy-in-a-cool-way and somehow becomes #generally palatable to a large portion of the audience. and the second is...you're the devil incarnate for finding it interesting. or at th #very least you will be disparaged/made fun of if not outright harassed for having any kind of positive reception to it. (and then a lot #of times if it's a show they'll extend this behavior to the irl actresses who play these characters)#salty mc13 is salty #and I REALLY don't want this to come across as me saying 'anyone who likes this character is Automatically A Raging Misogynist'#or 'if you find something interesting in this dynamic you Inherently Suck As A Person' I'm just tired of how wildly fucking inconsistent #ya'll (general fandom 'you' I mean) are in regard to how you evaluate and process fiction. either you think this topic is Always Bad #To Write About or you don't. you don't get to say Always Bad Except For The Times I Enjoy It that's not how it works that's not how #media/literary analysis works!!!!!

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