#not that seth wasn't working! b u t there's.............something to talk about there between them

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Look all I’m saying is we were ROBBED of Seth and Renee interacting in the books. I think they’d have the most interesting dynamic.

! Ah!! Like, Seth is, in many of the most up-front ways, who Renee is trying not to be: he’s angry, he’s loud, he’s crude, he’s bigoted, he’ll punch you for looking at him funny....but yet there are a couple of things not so up-front (like him saving Allison from that party, in the ec) that you’re like. hm.  Whearas how Renee sees herself is: outwardly everyone thinks i’m good, but who I am quietly is a terrible person  (I don’t think she’s correct, but) I think it’d be interesting to see how they react to each other, you’re right. Would Seth be disparaging of Renee’s pacifism? I think so-- he seemed to have learned that the only way to not get run over is to cover yourself in spikes. Would Seth’s particular brand of anger-with-no-downtime-fuck-everyone-else be extra hard for Renee to be around, as someone so focused on keeping herself from being “””bad?”””” I think so too Renee’s morality is........interesting. She’s friends with the other Foxes, including Andrew, and though Andrew may be an extreme example all of the Foxes have had to do some Stuff(TM) to survive, and have the mental mechanisms to show it. Yet when it comes to herself, she seems to have such an.......unforgiving sense of right and wrong? It’s not uncommon for people to be harder on themselves than on others, but Renee’s insistance that she is, in fact, a bad person, despite all of the kind actions she’s taking, makes me worry about her. 

And I can see that kind of Judgement(TM) coming up hard against Seth’s so very outward fight-em-all attitude. Even if Renee said nothing to him, I can see him reacting to a percieved judgement, and that being good for nobody. Especially considering what we see/have learned about Seth’s relapse cycle! While Seth’s cycle is-- normal and expected, actually-- having the appearance of Renee’s “perfect” example (and then maybe how she doesn’t forgive herself despite that) could be a. Catalyst. For some. Tension.