#not sure how many years i've been using xkit to block tags

[niuniente]

How do you survive fandom for so long? I used to heavily be in fandoms, making fanart, fanfics, participating in zines, celebrating characters bdays, etc. But now I struggle to stay in a fandom. Maybe I'm just seeing to many bad sides of fandom these days. Like I recently got into SpyxFamily but when looking through fanart, discovered 18+ fanart involving the child Anya, while I know this is the internet and I can't escape seeing things that make me uncomfortable, I just haven't had the urge to try to join the fandom after it. I'm sure there's a wonderful side to it, but I just don't have the energy for it anymore. Idk I always feel like I have to keep up with the fandoms artists, writers and everything or else I'm not a part of it. Sorry if this sounded ranty, I've just been following for years and envy your ability to hop right back into a fandom you haven't touched in a while or into ones that are new.

Big fandoms are always difficult to be in. The more people, the more problems there are, and you'll encounter things you wish not to see. You have to then weight things; can I handle encountering something I don't want to see and immediately block the thing and the person posting these things I don't wish to see (and report it, if needed) or will they throw me out of the loop so much that it is better not to wander into there? You need to curate your own internet experience (as we all need to) but it is challenging when things aren't tagged. Then, you have to weight the pros and cons and decide what to do.

I'm not part of any big fandoms and I grew up in the so-called dark ages of the internet, when nothing was tagged, warned etc. so when you go to see or read things, it can be anything. Then you just go "Nope" and click away. Fandoms were smaller back then as internet wasn't a common thing in your pocket available 24/7 so chances of running into something you do not want to encounter all of the sudden have grown since those days.

How I handle ALL fandom things is that I mainly mind my own business and don't wander too far. A good rule of thumb is to find a small group of nice people (or just a few of them) and hang around with them. Follow just certain artists. Follow just certain fanfic authors. Hang only in certain Discords. Mute and block posts and people freely - you don't have to justify this to anyone. Black list in Tumblr words you don't wish to see (New Xkit is excellent for computers, mobile should have its own blocking system but I don't use phone to scroll anything unless necessary).

You can't control a fandom or other fans (not even the twisted ones) but you can try your best to control yourself - and if it means not wandering into certain fandoms & tags or not wanting to take a risk of seeing something you don't want to see (as it will be pretty inevitable in big fandoms no matter what safety measurements you take), then it is the best not to go there. As sad as it might be.

Also, the second worry; if you like a thing, congratulations, you are part of the fandom :3 It really is as simply as that. Fandoms aren't some social activity you have to perform to earn your fan badge. You like the things = you are a fan.

[charlatn]

𝖜𝖊𝖑𝖈𝖔𝖒𝖊 𝖙𝖔 𝖒𝖞 𝖍𝖚𝖒𝖇𝖑𝖊 𝖕𝖆𝖗𝖙𝖞

independent && mutually exclusive roleplaying blog for ASTARION of larian studios' BALDUR'S GATE III. bitten by CAM (they/them, 25+, poc, mst). triggering themes ahead.

currently in act i. doesn't mind spoilers.

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𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘶��:

header credit. psd credit.

𝖎. WELL MET! currently, this blog is low activity. i've been roleplaying for about 17 years and haven't been on a writing medium in quite some time, so i’ll be struggling trying to get used to tumblr’s new look. astarion belongs to larian studios, but any personal headcanons and this portrayal of the character are my own.

i don't mind mirrors because i love other astarion simps, but i will not follow first to avoid any discomfort. let me emphasize that i will never compete with mirrors. if you already have an exclusive astarion listed, i will always respect those boundaries and refrain from following! i'm just here to have fun with this guy.

𝖎𝖎. be warned, bgiii contains many triggers. astarion's arc heavily revolves around trauma from torture, his lack of agency, and being used for sex, on top of the violence and gore present in the game and d&d in general. i will never write nor describe horrific triggers in detail, but just be forewarned they exist in this universe. i will tag them accordingly as trigger tw. n.sfw will be tagged as nsft cw.

𝖎𝖎𝖎. multi ship, but not quick to hop on a ship. (i am 31 years old and would prefer not to ship with anyone younger than late twenties.) astarion is not an easy charcter to romance despite being a flirt. if there is chemistry, you are welcome to bring it up providing we've been writing together for some time. altruism doesn't earn astarion's disapproval in my portrayal, but this is entirely situational. i really enjoy non romantic dynamics and the banter between astarion and his party members.

𝖎𝖛. my formatting is minimum to non existent. i don't really use icons, but you are welcome to format how you like. i'm getting used to this site again and will be using the beta editor and xkit rewritten.

𝖛. i don't care about rpc politics and drama or jealousy over people you don't know. truly, it will never be that serious, and i don't wanna hear about it. i'm here to have fun.

𝖛𝖎. mutually exclusive. i will mostly just follow bg3, d&d, and some high fantasy blogs at this moment, but am not opposed to multi verse with those mutual connections. it may take a bit for me to follow you back, as i like to get a feel for blogs and be sure we will likely interact, but please refrain from spam adding to get my attention, lest you earn a hard block. i'm open to connecting with everyone, so affiliated disclaimers aren't really my thing. mains might come eventually after i get a feel for this rpc again.

𝖛𝖎𝖎. i'm very selective with who i give my discord handle to. the best way to reach me is via memes (which are always open to mutuals), as i am slow to reply in dms. i prefer to just get into it, but extensive thread plotting can be done via tumblr messages at the moment.

[divinesnse]

independent && mutually exclusive roleplaying blog for a OATH OF ANCIENTS PALADIN set in the world of DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS with a current focus on BALDUR'S GATE 3. sworn in by CAM (they/them, 25+, poc, mst). triggering themes ahead.

currently in act i. doesn't mind spoilers.

CARRD (uc)

𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘦𝘴 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘶𝘵:

𝖎. WELL MET! currently, this blog is low activity. i've been roleplaying for about 17 years and haven't been on a writing medium in quite some time, so i’ll be struggling trying to get used to tumblr’s new look. mikael is my own playable character in the tabletop game of dungeons and dragons.

𝖎𝖎. be warned, the forgotten realms and bg3 settings contain many triggers. i will tag them accordingly as trigger tw. n.sfw will be tagged as nsft cw.

𝖎𝖎𝖎. multi ship, but not quick to hop on a ship. if there is chemistry, you are welcome to bring it up providing we've been writing together for some time. i really enjoy non romantic dynamics and the banter between astarion and his party members.

𝖎𝖛. my formatting is minimum to non existent. i don't really use icons, but you are welcome to format how you like. i'm getting used to this site again and will be using the beta editor and xkit rewritten.

𝖛. i don't care about rpc politics and drama or jealousy over people you don't know. truly, it will never be that serious, and i don't wanna hear about it. i'm here to have fun.

𝖛𝖎. mutually exclusive. i will mostly just follow bg3, d&d, and some high fantasy blogs at this moment, but am not opposed to multi verse with those mutual connections. it may take a bit for me to follow you back, as i like to get a feel for blogs and be sure we will likely interact, but please refrain from spam adding to get my attention, lest you earn a hard block. i'm open to connecting with everyone, so affiliated disclaimers aren't really my thing. mains might come eventually after i get a feel for this rpc again.

𝖛𝖎𝖎. i'm very selective with who i give my discord handle to. the best way to reach me is via memes (which are always open to mutuals), as i am slow to reply in dms. i prefer to just get into it, but extensive thread plotting can be done via tumblr messages at the moment.

[ahundredhundredheartbeats]

i definitely appreciate that there is no consistent tagging system on tumblr, and it's incredibly frustrating to not know how to tag when you have the best intentions to protect people from/give a warning for triggering content.

but the system i use, that i detailed in my above comments, is (i strongly believe) the most effective and helpful way of tagging to help people with disabilities, phobias, and triggers to avoid the content they don't want to see AND still see the content they do want to see.

i will give you my explanation (as a person who uses cw and tw in the tags that i block) as to why not using the tw or cw is very unhelpful to me

example from my needs: i do not want to see images or graphic descriptions of gore, blood, or body horror

but i do not have any issue with reading a post that uses the word blood: blood type, giving blood, blood relations, etc. in fact, blocking the word "blood" alone would have made it impossible to participate in dracula daily fandom, even though the only thing that bothers me is images of blood. and that would have sucked hardcore for me because i LOVED participating in dracula daily!

tagging the word on its own is not useful to me - it's just way too broad. if i block blood, there's a ton of not-at-all graphic or triggering content that i'm going to miss out on.

so i do maintain that using [things] tw or [things] cw is the most helpful format for tagging potentially-upsetting content, because it specifies tags apart from the body of the post.

another example: i need posts that actually contain flashing gifs tagged; i definitely do not need a text post that is talking about flashing gifs tagged, and in fact if it's talking about flashing gifs, it's probably a post i want to see and don't want blocked. in the system you suggest, i just block "flashy gif" or "flashing gif," i will not see either type of post even though one of them is completely harmless to me and is in fact content i want to see. but if the post is tagged "flashing gif tw," then i can see that that post contains an actual flashing gif

but outside of my personal needs, i think it's also very important to pay attention to how the people in your orbit are using tags and to also listen to people who send asks with specific needs.

PSA to New Tumblr Users

DON'T CENSOR YOUR TAGS. DON'T.

Write out 'Suicide' Write out 'Rape' Write out 'Abuse' & 'Assault' & 'Gore'

If you don't use the real words in your tags? People won't be able to filter those out and stay SAFE.

You need to tag properly to keep everyone safe.

Don't water down warnings just because social media has trained you to water them down.

[n7punk]

Hey icon what’s Xkit? I use tumblr but I’m not sure what that is :/

lol I got 2 messages about this. XKit is a browser extension to make Tumblr way nicer to use that I will always proselytize. It, among other things:

Allows you to append tags to one of your posts in-dashboard without opening the edit screen and waiting for it to load (you hover over the extension icon at the bottom of the post, type your tags, hit append, and just keep scrolling while a little notif in the corner assures you that the tags were added onto the end of your post. The next feature listed works similarly).

Allows you to reblog, draft, or queue a post in one-click without opening the edit screen and interrupting your scrolling to load it. Also, you can add tags and captions in the same pop up. With XKit, you never need to open the edit screen to reblog a post or change its tags. (The extension warns it could slow down Tumblr, but in my experience, it makes it way fast by cutting all that out, plus you never lose your place on the dashboard.)

Remembers what posts you have reblogged before and turns their reblog icon green so you can tell at a glance if the post is on your blog already (with an option to customize how many posts it remembers - mine remembers my last 5000 reblogs).

Has a blacklist and whitelist function with customization options for what content it searches for black/whitelisted phrases such as just tags, posts, usernames, etc. Tumblr now has its own blacklist, which I've never used but I guarantee it isn't as good as XKit's, this site doesn't function that well. XKit lets you choose whether or not to see that a post has been hidden and how much information about the post it gives in the streamlined-notification, which gives you the option to view it if you wish (or you could just have it hide it completely).

Has Timestamps. Seriously, in-line timestamps that you can customize what they display (day, date, month, time, relative time, the order of this information, etc) instead of hovering over the corner to make it pop up. Tumblr's timestamps are so clunky.

Dims the posts (or just avatars) of posts you've already seen on your dash (AKA all the avatars turn dim when you reach where you left off on your dashboard last time).

Blocks Tumblr's recommended posts on your dashboard, slims a pinned post down to just a line you can click to see the full thing so they don't clog up someone's blog, or blocks a particular post so you never see it in your feed or even a notification of its existance (admittedly, this final feature is a bit clunky because it doesn't present you with a list of posts you've blocked and rather just the ability to unblock the last post you added without seeing which it was).

Tags posts for you, including: selectable tag bundles (for instance, I have a catradora tag bundle, which I select in that one-click postage pop-up to tag catradora posts with 'catradora' 'adora' 'catra' and 'she ra'), automatically tagging all posts of a certain type (video posts, queued posts, etc) with a custom tag, and automatically add tags to reblogs with information such as the source user, date it was reblogged, post type, etc.

XKit is free, it's made by volunteers, and it has many extension options within it that let you really customize and streamline your experience. Once you use Tumblr with XKit you never go back. The extension is in the Chrome web extension store, but it's also easy to add to Firefox despite not being in their store. Here is its Tumblr page with links so you can download it for your browser of choice.

Fun fact: there are multiple Tumblr features that started as XKit extensions and then were added in as native features after months/years of being maintained by XKit. Said features include: the "where you left off" separator bar indicator (used to be an XKit extension called "Separator"), tag viewing in the notes of a post and activity feed (used to be an XKit extension titled "Tag Viewer"), and the blacklist feature (XKit still has its own blacklist extension, mentioned above).

The original XKit was made by one guy, but now it is an extension called New XKit that is run by a team unaffiliated with the old (and now defunct due to site updates) version that existed back then. Oh, and to new users: extensions in the menu that are colored yellow have had their features recently broken by a Tumblr update and may later be updated or removed due to obsolesce (for instance, XInbox is currently broken and I miss it dearly).

[queerofcups]

why do u think tumblr is trash for fandom? not that i disagree lol, i've just never noticed u talking about it and would be interested in hearing your thoughts

 terrible for fanfic writers - i’m biased obviously but tumblr is a really terrible format for any kind of text based art. 

formatting - theme fonts are really variable and i’ve seen countless writers blogs (usually younger/newer writers who need the attention) with fics that I won’t read because I *can’t* read them. 

getting people to read your fic - Also, if you’re posting to tumblr only and not to the Ao3 (which I totally understand especially for drabbles) there’s a strong chance only your followers will see those as opposed to posting in a community where, if its a central fandom comm you’ll probably get decent traffic from folks who’ve never heard of you. and if you want more people to see something you have to keep reblogging it because it gets pushed down by your other blogging because you can’t have pinned posts (which is way easier than creating a separate masterlist page). also tags work like 60% of the time

feedback - if you get feedback on fic on tumblr its either a. a reply that you may or may not be able to reply to easily depending on if tumblr/xkit is freaking out or b. in a reblog that you then have to reblog to reply to cluttering your/your followers dash further

 terrible for building community

If I go to someone’s tumblr and they don’t have an intricate tagging system, chances are pretty good I don’t know shit about them other than their name/age/maybe pronouns. Y’all don’t know shit about me as an actual person unless you happen to catch the one post or hell, the one tag where I talk about being from the American southeast or the weirdness of planning a wedding while feminist, or how I’m working up to weightlifting. Meanwhile, I have a friend that I friended in 2007/8 when I was in bandom who just graduated with her PhD! She was just starting her program when we met. She also just proposed to her boyfriend whom she’d just met when I started following her. I know her, as a person, not just a fic producing machine.

Which brings me to my next point. Tumblr’s great for being a lil bitch without accountability. Don’t get me wrong. Wank is as old as fandom. Where there is fandom there will be wank, bet on that. And its not like the journal-based websites and forums didn’t often have an anonymous function. But anon hate on tumblr is so normalized and so easy-- you don’t even have to log out to ask a question on anonymous on my blog! And even if you aren’t leaving hate. I talk to 2.5 people regularly via tumblr chat regularly. I think of them as my friends. I know their names. They know mine. They call me by my name. You could be the same anon that’s asked me an anon question since I started this blog. We could be well on our way to fandom besties and I would have no idea. To be a lurker on tumblr is to be anonymous, whereas to be a lurker on your livejournals and dreamwidths still came with some name recognition. 

Also tumblr is great for BNFs. Which like. Whatever, I don’t think there’s any one unifying quality I can place on everyone who’s The Most Popular in a fandom (...and I’m not sharing my phandom bnf opinions with an anon) but I do think that tumblr makes it feel like you either have many thousand followers and a constant stream of anons or you’re Nothing and that’s some ol’ bullshit. 

Livejournal and Dreamwidth (the ones I’m most familiar with) had community functions where one person created a blog to which lots of people could submit fanworks. The bandom one I was most familiar with was called bandslashmania (go check it out!), there was minimal modding and it was on you to post your fic, post it with the correct formatting, tag it so people could find it later, etc. And it was a hub that everyone could go to. It could be your daily stop, congrats now you have a selection of the fic that got posted that day. And if you miss a day, or you read a fic and want to go back to it weeks (or even years) later, you can just go to the tag. I’m having very strong feelings about how much fic we’re going to lose because of fucking tumblr (seriously. post your shit to Ao3. Also if you have a favorite fic? C/p that shit and save it to your computer. That’s the only way to (sort of) guarentee you’ll always have it) and the fact that you can accidentally delete your blog.

You ever made friends in the replies or reblogs of a tumblr post? If you did you’re a rarity. That shit happened every day in forum/journal based 

And I love IDB, I think its a really cool space to have more extended conversations, but I still don’t think its a great place to get to know people unless you have time to be really active on there and pay a lot of attention to peoples usernames, lol.

This is. A delicate one. I’m not going to shit on the tumblr’s contributions to people’s growth in awareness of social justice and the experiences of marginalized folks. Its been a really integral piece to amplifying the voices and communities of people who, previously, would have been shut down and made to talk about their issues only on their blog. That’s a statement. And I think tumblr likes to get on a high horse. There’s some shit fandom does that I have real problems with (the fact that I have to block extreme underage on Ao3 is A Problem for me. The blatant racism of who fandom chooses to write about over and over again is A Problem for me. I could go on). But I do think that there’s a subset of fandom that’s like oh, I don’t like this thing, lets use social justice language to talk about why its Bad and Morally Wrong, rather than just not reading it. And that gets extra annoying because they then sound like people who are trying to point out some real ass problems and so people lump these groups together and I have to ask myself before I follow someone if they’re disagreeing with the idea that fandom’s collective love affair with whitecock is problematic, or if they just want to write their fucking otayuri fic.

This is probably way more than you were expecting! I don’t hate tumblr (...mostly). I just find it really frustrating that we’ve decided that this (and a little bit twitter and a little bit instagram which i’m just flummoxed by) is our fannish home when its actually The Worst for a hobby of which one of the main tenants is community building. Like we’ve glued and stapled shit together, we’ve adapted like fandom always does but like Dreamwidth is right there. We could have it all, we just don’t take it. 

Lol, other Fandom Olds that follow me, feel free to hop on this post, I’m sure you have other shit about fandom on tumblr that you hate.

[nocompromise-noregrets]

Ooooh, thank you! :D

1. why did you choose your url?

It's a line from a song by Hanoi Rocks, my absolute favourite band in the world, and I've taken it as words to live by: 'make no compromise, have no regrets'.

2. any side blogs? if you have them name and them and why you have them.

Nope. I did have one for my photography, and another for a music blog I was trying to get off the ground, years ago, but that didn't last.

3. how long have you been on tumblr?

Since 2011 oh my god. Ten years.

4. do you have a queue tag?

No...pretty much everything I post is queued so I don't really see the point.

5. why did you start your blog in the first place?

All my friends came here from LJ around the time the fandom I knew them from was dying, and I wanted to keep in touch with them. I really miss LJ.

6. why did you choose your icon/pfp?

I had to have something, and this was kicking around in my folders. This is the only icon I've had on this site - I've never bothered to find something better.

7. why did you choose your header?

I had to go and check what it is, because I never see it, I'm always on my dash on my laptop XD It's the White Gems of Lasgalen, which appear in my longfic My Heart Is An Empty Vessel. And it's pretty.

8. what’s your post with the most notes?

I think it's an unfuck-your-habitat before and after post from a few years back, which has about 80 notes. I don't really post much original stuff, and when I do, no bugger reblogs it. XD

9. how many mutuals do you have?

I don't know. Quite a few? I don't know how to find out.

10. how many followers do you have?

272, apparently, although a lot are inactive blogs from years ago. I've gained about 110 over the last year since I became active in the LotR fandom again (I say again, last time I was active was 2004 so it certainly wasn't here XD ) and I have probably 10 or 20-odd active followers from before. Who are presumably either blocking the hell out of my lotr tag, or suffering my obsession with remarkable good grace :D :D :D

11. how many people do you follow?

218, although again, some of them are inactive blogs from years ago and I've never gone back and weeded them out.

12. have you ever made a shitpost?

No, I wouldn't know what to say. I do reblog the ones I find funny though.

13. how often do you use tumblr each day?

I'm here on and off all day if I'm working at home, and in the morning and evening if I'm working on site. I use it in the browser on my laptop - I don't have the app on my phone because it eats battery and data and last time I used it you couldn't block tags/words, and I rely very heavily on XKit's blacklist feature to make my dash bearable XD

14. did you have a fight/argument with a blog once? who won?

No, I stay out of all that stuff. I don't like confrontation and I don't see the point on here.

15. how do you feel about ‘you need to reblog this’ posts?

Entirely unpressured. Me reblogging something isn't going to make a blind bit of difference, and I'm here for fandom escapism - I get my news and interact with the real world elsewhere.

16. do you like tag games?

Yes! :D

17. do you like ask games?

Yes - I'm always delighted to be asked stuff, and to have an opportunity to ramble about things.

18. which of your tumblr mutuals do you think is famous?

I'm not sure what this means - tumblr famous, or like, a real-life celeb? I follow precisely one tumblr famous person, who doesn't follow me back. And I'm pretty sure I'm not following any celebs on here. Luke Evans' instagram is far more than enough for me *eyedart*

19. do you have a crush on a mutual?

'fraid not. too busy having an entirely inconvenient and infuriating crush on Luke Evans, damn him and the horse he rode in on

20. tags?

Oooh. No pressure, but @lemurious, @theresonlyzuul, @iactuallyshipeveryone, @potatoobsessed999, @writerman and @angelic-kisses13 if you feel like doing this, please feel free! :D

<33333

check in tag ✅

1. why did you choose your url?

I morphed from gimmesherl/ock to gimmethehobbit because I was really looking forward to The Hobbit.

2. any side blogs? if you have them name and them and why you have them.

Here? Some defunct ones that were comics related but never really went anywhere.

3. how long have you been on tumblr?

2012 

4. do you have a queue tag?

nope

5. why did you start your blog in the first place?

I was really obsessed with bbchserlock 😭

6. why did you choose your icon/pfp?

It’s my draw! Professor Chuckles thinks he’s the Great Eye!

7. why did you choose your header?

It matches~

8. what’s your post with the most notes?

I had to run it through one of those algo things. It’s this shoddily drawn ‘he tried’ klance comic. 

9. how many mutuals do you have?

I have no idea. Idk who’s on here anymore :’)

10. how many followers do you have?

1642, of which probably 90% are inactive/defunct.

11. how many people do you follow?

101, of which I think at least half are gone/deactivated :’)

12. have you ever made a shitpost?

That’s half my content!

13. how often do you use tumblr each day?

I use it very sporadically these days. I’ll check my dash for like max 5 minutes if I remember. I’ve sort of migrated to twitter but under a different fandom which I’m too embarrassed to share :)

14. did you have a fight/argument with a blog once? who won?

Over what? I really don’t care what anyone on here thinks 😂

15. how do you feel about ‘you need to reblog this’ posts?

Again, I don’t care 😆

16. do you like tag games?

I do!

17. do you like ask games?

Sometimes?

18. which of your tumblr mutuals do you think is famous?

Idk who any of my tumblr mutuals are anymore.

19. do you have a crush on a mutual?

See the above answer lol.

20. tags?

Tagged by @heyholmesletsgo ! Tagging just a few: @alasse-mm @saimafatimaali and whoever else wants to do this! 

[philosopherking1887]

A lot of what I wanted to say has already been said, but in a variety of branching threads, and anyway this post is getting way too long, so I’ll refer to people’s additions using tags.

Seconding (thirding?) @consortofsassgard and @incredifishface, my advice to both @hjbender and @summertudinal is that you can curate your own space. Unfollow people who reblog things you don’t like. Even better than blocking, which doesn’t prevent you from seeing reblogs: download XKit and blacklist the URLs of people whose opinions offend you. That doesn’t help with the phone app, but it can make scrolling on your computer browser a much better experience. Because I am occasionally a content creator (and I guess I’m flattered that you noticed? I am far from a power-broker in this fandom, however), I generally don’t block people unless they’ve been actively harassing me, because it doesn’t prevent me from seeing their comments. And if unfollowing and/or blacklisting prevents you from seeing some original content... tough shit. I’ve unfollowed people because I couldn’t stand the unreflective worship of Ragnarok and/or bashing of Whedon’s writing, and you know what? My Tumblr experience has been noticeably improved by the absence of the annoying commentary, and has not noticeably suffered from being deprived of whatever content I followed them for in the first place.

Like Fishie and @pyrebomb, I tag my criticism quite consistently -- I try to use all the different variants of “anti ragnarok” that anyone might have filtered -- so I've done my part. I'm not going to stop expressing my opinions on my personal blog because other people don't tag when they reblog, which is neither my fault nor my problem. Unfollow them if they don’t tag to your satisfaction.

Also addressed to both of you: If you are or were a passionate fan of something, you don't stop being angry 2 years (or a year and a half) after the creators ruined it for you. It doesn't help that when we want to engage in fandom, most of it is still fawning over something whose vices seem apparent to us (I'm reminded of the last few episodes of season 4 of “Angel,” for those who are or were Whedonverse fans), and many creators -- established as well as new -- are allowing unrecognizable revisions of the characters to supercede what we loved about them. And it’s hard to move on when MCU movies are still coming out and we’re still kind of invested in some of the characters and therefore ambivalent about the whole thing -- and when the rest of the fandom keeps pouring salt in the wound with all their gushing about how Ragnarok is such great queer representation, the “reconciliation” between Thor and Loki and Loki’s “redemption” is so heartwarming, Thor* (the TR version) is such a kind selfless ray of sunshine, Loki is such a dumb useless slutty twink but they “love” him anyway...

On that last point: I think I only got pissy enough to use the “fake fan” locution once, in reference specifically to people who claimed to have been fans of the franchise previously but were now saying that the characterizations of Thor and Loki in previous movies were “wrong” and Ragnarok had finally gotten them “right” (relative to what, I’m not sure -- comics? myths? the Platonic Forms of Thor and Loki?). Like Pyre and @seamayweed, I try to stick with “I don’t understand how you can say you like both”... or sometimes, more accurately, that Ragnarok lovers’ understanding of the characters is clearly so different that I don’t even think we are, or probably ever were, fans of the same thing. But I don’t even think calling people who like or don’t like a certain portion of canon “fake fans” -- without mentioning anyone specifically -- is as harmful as name-specific callouts, which, as Fishie points out, are virtually invitations to harass (this has happened to me before, and now I no longer allow anonymous asks). Nor is it as bad as jumping onto Ragnarok-critical threads to insult the discussants -- calling us racists, or airheaded straight homophobic fangirls who just want to fuck Hiddleston -- or just pointlessly insist that Ragnarok was genius and we’re all deluded. There was a time, about a year ago, when Ragnarok critics did reblog laudatory posts to rebut specific arguments in favor, which I now recognize is bad form; now the approach is generally to make new posts referencing common pro-TR arguments or maybe linking to the instigating post. Ragnarok fans show no such courtesy to the critics: they continue to hijack discussions -- and unlike the critics, when we did jump onto other people’s posts, they very seldom present substantive evidence or arguments responding to the content of the criticisms. And ironically in this instance, even when TR-haters say that people who like it can’t be real fans of the characters, we don’t generally get up in their faces and tell them they should leave the fandom.

Specifically in response to @hjbender, and echoing Pyre, Fishie, and Sea: who cares whether we hate a “living breathing human being” if we’re not going on Twitter and harassing them -- which I’m pretty sure none of us do? People around here hate celebrity media creators all the fucking time: Scarlett Johansson, Jennifer Lawrence, Lena Dunham, Amy Schumer... oh wait, those are all women; no wonder it’s OK. Uh... how about J.J. Abrams, George Lucas, Steven Moffat or -- especially relevant here, and especially ubiquitous and overblown, as @imaginetrilobites points out -- Joss Whedon? It annoys me when people hate on Whedon’s work, not because of things that are validly criticizable (which exist and should be criticized!), but because they’re carelessly or willfully misinterpreting things so they can demonstrate their virtue by claiming that he’s a bad artist as well as a bad person (which he might very well be).

And as Pyre, Sea, and @lokisergi all said or suggested, for many of us there’s a vast difference between the smallish amount of massaging and strategic overlooking of flaws and problematic elements in canon (in, e.g., The Avengers, Harry Potter, Star Wars, Buffyverse...) and the *radical* revision and reinterpretation we’d have to do to make TR seem like a faithful continuation of the series we love. To use an analogy I know is close to Fishie’s heart, it’s like the difference between the relatively minor WTF moments in series 1-3 of the BBC “Sherlock” and the massive betrayal of the fans’ trust and basic logic in series 4. You can’t just pretend that somehow worked or made sense; it completely throws you out of the illusion and forces you to confront the depressing fact that the creators didn’t love or understand their creations as well as the fans did. But (to return to an earlier point) it’s not so easy to just stop loving something you’d been investing emotional and creative energy in for years, or to “find something new to love.” Things worth loving that deeply don’t come along every day.

OK, I guess I had more to add than I thought...

@philosopherking1887 I wish I didn’t see this article that you linked in @lokiloveforever​  ‘s post, and remained blissfully unaware of all other awful things that TW has said about our beloved characters and the franchise we loved. At the same time I’m happy because it basically confirms everything we were saying this whole time. So thank you for it. While I was reading it, I had to remind myself that using my phone to break my laptop’s screen won’t do anything good. Instead I’m going to list all the reason’s that TW’s own words refute some of TR fans points and how it proves that Ragnarok isn’t part of MCU. Fair warning: this might resembles a rant because I’m really angry right now.

- “Ragnarok characterizations are like comics more than any other movie.”

Hate to break it to you but,

Cool art but he didn’t like how everyone talked? Well, you know who he reminds me of?

He removed one of the things that made Thor franchise unique and interesting, simply because he didn’t like it. And came up with this nonsense that Thor learned it from Tony, wait no, from RDJ, as an excuse.

“Yeah, Thor spent two years on Earth hanging out with Robert Downey, Jr.” Waititi explained. “So he’s got some sass. He knows a little bit more about irony and sarcasm now. He’s got a little bit of Earth humor.” [X]

Like two years of being on Earth in comparison with more than a thousand years on Asgard can change someone’s speech patterns.

Again with the rich kid comments.

“Thor and Loki are just two rich kids from outer space and we shouldn’t really give a sh*t about what their problems are.” [X]

This also shows he didn’t even watch or understood the previous movies. The whole point of the first Thor movie, was that this rich kid that we apparently shouldn’t give a shit about his problems, had fallen from grace and felt guilt for his wrong actions and tried to be a better person. But apparently the TR version, who thinks he’s a hero and always right and has the audacity to judge and use every character for his own goals feels guilt and is annoyed at his behavior. Yeah, okay.

The picture is taken from this post.

And don’t get me start on Bruce/Hulk. This bipolar, angry green beast who a lot of children have found empathetic, and who some of us boring, whining nerds can identify with has never felt guilt about his actions. It’s not like he tried to commit suicide because of his guilt and self-loathing. It’s not like Hulk has enough heart and intelligence to be upset about hurting innocent people in AoU after he was snapped out of Wanda’s mind control. But apparently killing slaves for sport and not feeling guilty about it give the character more dimensions. Right.

But, hey, as far as TW is concerned, people like Bruce and Loki who are suicidal and have mental illness are just whiny and need to get over themselves.

“Taika Waititi (…) is swift to launch into a description of Loki, the unbeloved son of Asgard, as, “someone who tries so hard to embody this idea of the tortured artist, this tortured, gothy orphan.” He’s discussing the character’s emotional arc in the film, one that sees him put away his childish fixations and step up to save his city from obliteration; to put into perspective his petty family squabbles and realise a home is still a home.” [X]

Anyone still thinks TW is not talking like an ableist?

And don’t forget that being pretty, talking and looking beautiful, not being able to fight like a warrior, and being a nerd are character flaws and make people boring.

“[With Valkyrie] I wanted to make sure we weren’t making a female character that was boring and pretty. What I wanted was someone who was going to play the opposite and be even more of the ‘guy’ character than the guys.” 

I wonder why I am reminded of the bullies I encountered in my life!? (I don’t)

- “TW loved those characters. Otherwise he wouldn’t use them in his film.”

Yeah, no. Not true. Because of all the above reasons about Thor and Hulk and all the reasons I listed in this post about Loki.

Oh, Look! he just confirmed this recent post of mine:

And yours too @magicmastered.  Btw, I completely support your idea to call Ragnarok universe “RCU”.

Also TR lacking emotions was a deliberate choice by the director. Like Korg’s line when Asgard was destroyed was intentionally put there to undermine the scene’s entire impact. 

Can someone please explain to me, a non-privileged person who’s always struggled with economical problems, that why being privileged and rich is considered a bad thing?

Again this is another proof that TW didn’t see and understood the previous movies. Asgard had a warrior culture and looked down on magic users(Loki). Magic that Thor explained was science that humans still don’t understand. Asgard has no parties? Yeah, like it’s totally true:

TW was so allergic to emotions that he changed Odin’s death scene because the audience reacted to it with too strong emotions! Imagine that!

Yeah, yeah, I know, we need to smile more!

The article ends with this paragraph.

“It’s important to remember that Taika Waititi didn’t make Thor: Ragnarok in isolation. He was chosen to direct this film by Marvel Studios off the back of black comedies, and they supported him in all his creative decisions. That may well indicate that Waititi’s distaste with the Thor franchise is shared by Marvel, that they consider the last two to number among their weakest, and that they too wanted to toss the old aside in favor of a straightforward superhero comedy.”

And I agree. TW is not the only person I blame for TR. CH and Marvel Studios are all to blame for making a mockery of the franchise and characters we loved.