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The Case against the Catholic Church

In his recent address to Pope Francis in Dublin Castle, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar stated that:

Magdalene Laundries, mother and baby homes, industrial schools, illegal adoptions, and clerical child abuse, are stains on our state, our society and also the church.

Ultimately, though, it must be viewed primarily as a stain on the church.

The Church in Ireland gradually gained in power after emancipation in 1829, becoming almost omnipotent in its control of social policy after independence in 1922. If not genuinely pious themselves, such was the extent of Church power among the people, politicians were careful to show, at least outwardly, a subservient devotion to the Church.

The old unionist concern that Home Rule meant Rome Rule was not entirely unfounded. Our constitution, Bunreacht na hÉireann, which was written in 1937, defined the state as explicitly secular, and, quite remarkably, provided recognition to the “Jewish congregations,” then under increasing attack in Europe. Nevertheless, the Catholic Church had inordinate influence on social policy.

This was the case from the foundation of the Free State, and would drive a wedge into the midst of the nation, to paraphrase W. B. Yeats. A 1925 prohibition on divorce prompted Yeats, then a senator in Seanad Éireann, to give an impressive speech:

I think it is tragic that within three years of this country gaining its independence we should be discussing a measure which a minority of this nation considers to be grossly oppressive.

The Church’s teachings on sexual morality, contraception, homosexuality, censorship, and divorce were woven directly into law, and at the urging of the Church.

When the inter-party government came to power in 1948, Taoiseach John A. Costello sent a telegram to Pope Pius XII:

On the occasion of our assumption of office, and of the first Cabinet meeting, my colleagues and myself desire to repose at the feet of Your Holiness the assurance of our filial loyalty and our devotion to your August Person, as well as our firm resolve to be guided in all our work by the teaching of Christ, and to strive for the attainment of social order in Ireland based on Christian principles.

He was obstinate on this issue. In 1949, for example, Costello and all the Catholic members of government, except Dr. Noel Browne, remained outside St. Patrick’s Cathedral in Dublin during the funeral of President Douglas Hyde. Catholics at this time were not permitted to enter Protestant houses of worship.

In the 1950s, when the government attempted to introduce a basic form of “socialised” medicine for mothers and their children up to sixteen years, the “controversial” Mother and Child Scheme, it led directly to the collapse of government. The Catholic Church viewed the scheme as contrary to Catholic social teaching. The lesson here was that, even when the state did try to wrestle back some control over social services, it was going to be blocked.

In the wake of this scandal, which witnessed overt interference from the Catholic Church in the affairs of a supposedly secular state, and following the resignation of the courageous Dr. Noel Browne, then Minister of Health, Taoiseach John A. Costello was bold enough to state:

I am an Irishman second, I am Catholic first, and I accept without qualification in all respects the teaching of the hierarchy and the church to which I belong.

This is quite shocking now, but perfectly in keeping with being a Catholic at this period of time.

Indeed, Martin Luther King Sr., a Baptist pastor and the father of the great civil rights leader, could not bring himself to support John F. Kennedy in the presidential race of 1960 solely because he was a Catholic.

Kennedy eventually settled this matter once and for all in a brilliant speech to an antagonistic audience, all members of the Protestant Greater Houston Ministerial Association. He gave, in essence, a complete repudiation of the position taken by John A. Costello.

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute; where no Catholic prelate would tell the President -- should he be Catholic -- how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote; where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference, and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him, or the people who might elect him.

He continued:

I do not speak for my church on public matters; and the church does not speak for me. Whatever issue may come before me as President, if I should be elected, on birth control, divorce, censorship, gambling or any other subject, I will make my decision in accordance with these views -- in accordance with what my conscience tells me to be in the national interest, and without regard to outside religious pressure or dictates. And no power or threat of punishment could cause me to decide otherwise.

This attitude was quite contrary to Catholic teaching, however. Fr. John Courtney Murray, S.J., probably America’s foremost Catholic political thinker wrote: “To make religion merely a private matter was idiocy.”

Pius IX’s Syllabus of Errors, which had been published in 1869, officially rejected the concept of church and state separation, condemned modern liberal civilization, and the idea that human reason ought to be applied in searching for the truths of religion.

The attitude of the Church to lay people, including government leaders, is best understood by reference to Vehementer Nos, the 1906 encyclical response of Pope Pius X to the declaration of separation of church and state in France:

The Scripture teaches us, and the tradition of the Fathers confirms the teaching, that the Church is the mystical body of Christ, ruled by the Pastors and Doctors - a society of men containing within its own fold chiefs who have full and perfect powers for ruling, teaching and judging. It follows that the Church is essentially an unequal society, that is, a society comprising two categories of persons, the Pastors and the flock, those who occupy a rank in the different degrees of the hierarchy and the multitude of the faithful. So distinct are these categories that with the pastoral body only rests the necessary right and authority for promoting the end of the society and directing all its members towards that end; the one duty of the multitude is to allow themselves to be led, and, like a docile flock, to follow the Pastors.

Like a docile flock, follow the Pastors! Roma locuta est, causa finita est. That is what was demanded of a faithful Catholic.

Remember also that it was because of disobedience that sin entered into the world in the first place, and the whole edifice of Catholic teaching rests on the coming of the Son of God to atone for that original sin.

Children ought to be obedient to their parents, wives to their husbands (”Wives, submit to your husbands, as to the Lord”). Lay people ought to be obedient to Church, priests to Bishops, and all looking to Rome. What mattered was obedience. Obedience to authority. Obedience to Church hierarchy. Obedience, obedience, obedience.

Who, ultimately, then, was to blame for the guilt associated with human sexuality, and the stigma of sex outside of marriage? Who was it that deemed birth control anathema? Indeed, who was to blame for unmarried mothers being put into homes? Who was to blame for forced adoptions, immoral and often illegal, to good Catholic homes in the US? Who was to blame for Magdalene Laundries? Who was to blame for scandalous attitudes towards divorce? Who was to blame for the institutional cover-up, if not the perpetration, of child rape and torture?

I ask you: where did Irish people source their moral framework if not entirely from Holy Mother Church? It’s only now, when we’ve thrown off the yoke of Catholic morality, that we can truly see the error of our ways.

Certainly, the people and the state share in some portion of the blame, but the lion’s share ought to go to the Catholic Church, its social teachings, its doctrines, and its demand for unquestioning obedience.

Lastly, and this is an important point, when it came time to acknowledge all of these faults, the state did so. It set up multiple commissions of investigation. It established redress schemes. It passed laws, including mandatory reporting of child sexual abuse.

The Church, and other religious institutions, on the other hand, refuse to fully come to terms with what has happened, have hindered investigations, have sought indemnity from prosecution, have negotiated reduced compensation deals which have yet to be paid in full, and have not yet implemented changes to canon law to protect children’s safety worldwide.

Yes, the Catholic Church has much to answer for in this mess. 

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