#no i don't care there's child abuse and incest in it yall know how to tell fiction and non-fiction apart. at least i hope so♡

[shirleyjacksonism]

everybody is recommending "american gothic" media but nobody is ever talking about My absolute darling. one of THE american gothic novels if you ask me

[angelive-40]

[ID: Eight images of Tumblr posts, reblogs, and tags. I’m only including the necessary tags.

Image 1: Tumblr post and tags that reads: "thought crimes aren't real" is only meant for fiction, not something for pedos/zoos/necros to use as an excuse for their fucked up fantasies involving real people/animals.

#putting this in the proship tag #because some of you are nasty for being supportive of such fantasies

Image 2: Tumblr reblog that reads: Proshippers are so afraid of the word "anti" that they will bite their lip while predators flood into their space and brainwash their friends. It's ridiculous frankly.

Image 3: Tumblr post and tags that reads: "ERM!! You cannot go on blocking sprees in the pro para and radqueer tags because what about their feelings? You're anti disorder if you don't accept them in your space 🥺."

I do not care, I'm blocking everyone that pisses me off and makes me feel unsafe.

#idc if y'all are "anti-contact" because y'all like lying about that #because you want to follow minors most of the time #and no #you being a MAP/Zoo/Necro isn't the same as being queer stop with the bullshit #I support yall getting therapy but still paraphilias shouldn't be normalized specially in spaces with vulnerable people like minors #or past victims of abuse

Image 4: Tumblr tags that reads: #like genuinely fuck off 😭😭 #and yet somehow we are compared with these pedos like cmon now we hate them as much as yall do #pedophiles are not allowed in this community fuck off child molestors..

Image 5: Tumblr post that reads: Why are so many proship accounts accepting paraphiles and radqueers with open arms? I thought we were against that nasty shit. You know, separating fiction from reality, so why the hell are y'all accepting people who don't know how to differentiate the both of them? Y'all are fucking up this movement BIG TIME. I won't sugarcoat what l'm going to say, Y'all are being mentally SLOW AS FUCK, this is why we have such a bad fucking rep because of these fuckers and y'all being stupid. Fucking nasty

Image 6: Tumblr post that reads: seeing posts like "safety tips for minors in the propara community!" and i'd like to make one of my own!

get the fuck out of the propara community. you're not a paraphile, you're an impressionable and vulnerable child in a 'community' of people who have a lot of members that derive sexual pleasure from real life minors just like you, yes even the ones who say they're 'anti-contact. profiction and propara are not the same thing, and any propara person or even profic person who says they are is dangrous and you should not fucking speak to them. im being serious, get out of propara spaces if you're a minor and never look back.

Image 7: Tumblr text that reads: literally. I hate what is becoming of the proship tag here because all of this just proves antishippers right. that proship = supporting pedophilia/incest etc. when it's only suppose to be about supporting fiction

i hate this. I hate how selfish and horrible these people are. (before pro para proshippers take me out of context. these people aren't horrible for their attractions/disorders or whatever. They're horrible for forcing people into being comfortable with them taking over the tag)

Image 8: Tumblr post that reads: bro if i see one more pro-para/radqueer/cosang blog in the proship tag im gonna lose it.

did we as a community just forget that we're founded on not judging people for their *fictional* tastes? why are there people talking about how wanting to have sex with your real life family members or animals is ok in the tag? why arent we warning others to avoid and report these people?

did we forget about how this site used to be overriden by 'MAP's who hid behind the various pro-Igbt tags? why are we letting that kind of stuff come back and make us look bad by being in our community and co-opting/corrupting our beliefs? have we just lost the plot already?

we shouldn't tolerate or accept 'zoos, pedos, radqueers, and cosang people in the proship community. i promise yall that you're not forsaking the values of profiction/proship when you gatekeep people who think children or animals can consent and other genuinely harmful people from the community.

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I hate these posts.

either you are AGAINST the idea of thought-crimes, or you're not. just bc someone's a paraphile does NOT make them any kind of offender. being proship, you almost HAVE to be pro-(anti contact) para, because part of being proship is recognizing that your imagination also can't hurt anyone.

ignoring all that, though, the other glaring issue is that these are the exact arguments antis make towards us. calling people predators with no proof, saying paras should "keep it private", that paras are trying to "groom" people into believing their paraphilias are good. replace "paras" with "proshippers" and you've got the same dumb arguments WE'VE BEEN HAVING FOR YEARS.

EVEN FURTHER THAN THAT, what happened to using the block button? why do y'all forget all about that as soon as it's a paraphile, or at minimum, someone you DEEM to be a paraphile. y'all are no better than the people you are against.

[nightswithkookmin]

A quick lesson on ships

Because why not??😌

No but seriously, bare with me, I'm trying to answer your questions. Sit if you have to. Hehe

Uban Dictionary defines shipping as this:

A term used to describe fan fictions that take previously created characters and put them as a pair. It usually refers to romantic relationships, but it can refer platonic [sic] ones as well. (Just think of “shipping” as short for “relationSHIP”.) 9 Apr 2015

Ships can be platonic or romantic or both.

There's fictional ships and non fictional ships too. You ship two people you want to be in a relationship or who already are in a relationship or who you suspect to be in a relationship- perhaps due to queer baiting, ship baiting, romance baiting etc.

In the shipping fandom, there are two sects of people. Those who are Proships those who are Antiships- antis are ironically considered part of the shipping community because for some reason they are always in shippers business💀

Antishippers are those who oppose a particular ship or shipping in general (more on that later.)

Proshippers are well- Pro ships.

Pro-Ship

A term mostly used in fandoms, but can stretch outside of this to include original characters. The core belief is that shipping two fictional characters, no matter if they are family, share ages gaps, considered to be unhealthy, or show blatant signs of being abusive or other generally unsavory behaviours, are valid in a fictional setting.

Pro-Shippers or "anti-antis" are also known as "rainbow meaties" and will use 🌈 + 🍖 emojis together often in their bio on twitter or other social media platforms- usually within fictional settings.

These shippers reinforce the idea fiction is separate from reality and shouldn't be confused with the other.

‘Anti’ is short for ‘anti-shipper’ or ‘anti-[ship]’.

Kindly read through this thread to get the gist of it.

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Shipping non-fictional individuals is a subset of Proshipping, in my opinion, known also as alternative shipping- as far as my knowledge on it goes.

As with fictional shipping, alt ships have their antis too. People who disagree with shipping real couples in a romantic way for whatever arbitrary moral reasons they have and who feel entitled to go out of their way to correct, stop, police and punish such shippers.

Then there are those who although may be pro real people shipping think they have the right to tell others how they should ship and to what extent they can ship.

Others too prefer to ship real people platonically because they view romantic shipping of real people as problematic.

So to answer your question on Anon's post- there is no such thing as a Proshipper who is also Anti shipping. Thats oxymoronic. Perhaps they might be platonic shippers who are anti romantic ships but not necessarily romantic shippers themselves.

I don't think there's anything wrong with preferring to ship platonically. It is when they assume by virtue of their false sense of moderacy that they are better than others that shit starts to get funny.

Those shippers are delusionally confused beings with a supremacist imperialist complex rooted in ignorance and absurdities.

I usually walk by those quietly. keep it pushing. Gotta mind my business somehow even though most times I just want to pull their hair and bite them and shit😭

I try to keep it classy.

Lord knows I try.

You are either pro ship or anti ship. There's no in between. Those shippers who are shippers but claim they are not are nothing but fraudulent, fake us, simps trying to bamboozle their way through life- pardon my Swahili.

There are a lot of anti shippers moonlighting as shippers in this fandom. It's fascinating.

Personally I think those people are either confused or their desires to appeal to other Anti shippers must have morphed their brains into ass dick hybrids.

Anti shippers in general are notorious gatekeepers, gaslighters, bigots, high key sanctimonious and often have a cis white westernized sense of morality and ethics through which they fliter others and expect everyone and everything to conform to.

They impose their values on others, their ethics on others, resort to manipulation, policing, intimidation and bullying to impose their will etc.

Within shipping, there are those who are Proshipping yet anti certain ships. Most Tuktukkers are anti Jikook. And assume anyone who isn't a tuktukker is equally anti Tae Kook and so go ahead and exhibit anti behaviours towards them.

Think of such groups of shippers as Proshippers with a preference for particular ships if you will.

There are Pro shippers who also feel some kind of way about Shipping real life people or alt shipping.

Here's further resource to help you understand what proshipping is

If you are intolerant with other shippers choice of ships or style of shipping and you traumatize them for it that's Anti shipping. Especially if you feel entitled and justified to traumatize others because you take a higher moral status over them.

You can be proship and not like how certain people, how they go about

Simply walk away, click off, mind your business. You are not the only adult in these streets and leave people to do what interests them.

I think for as long as I can remember, I've always been a proshipper and I ship both platonically and romantically, fictionally and alternatively💀

Some themes in fiction are a hard limit for me such as the R word, pedophilia, incest, child abuse- I just can never find the entertainment in those topics and will struggle through such themes.

But others believe it's just FICTION and those fictional characters aren't really dealing with the imaginary struggles we read about.

Yall do you sis.

I don't really know why people make a big deal of it or try to demonize the concept of shipping as if it were something strange or mysterious- just keep your moral values to yourself. I am not your mother's daughter. we were not raised in the same households.

Then again I think it all depends on the different cultures and social backgrounds we all come from and how entitled, supremacist or imperialist they are.

For Yoonmin, I shipped them romantically but didn't think they were a real couple at all. I just romanticized their interactions and found humor in it. At the back of my head I was expecting them each to one day find husbands or wives and go their merry ways and even harbored the thought they each could very much be in serious romantic relationships with others.

In similar ways, I shipped Minimoni and Vmin.

You can ship a pair romantically and not think at all that they are actually REAL.

A lot of jokers ship Jikook romantically and don't assume they are real. Just as a lot of people shipped say Elena and Stefan romantically even though Paul was married.

Some shipped Elena and Damon too due to their unscreen chemistry and even felt they could be a thing- that was before later it was revealed they had started dating in real life. Even that I was holding on to my Bonnie x Damon fantasies because Bonnie was my bias and I shipped her with everyone romantically- of course I didn't expect any of those ships to manifest into something because it was the character I was shipping not Kat herself. To this day I still love her onscreen chemistry and friendship with Damon and don't see how people could wish for it to be more than that😭

It was beautiful as is. Not everything should climax into sexual intercourse.

But if I felt at some point any of her ships had crossed into alternative ships I would have jumped on those and supported it whole heartedly.

If you assume a pair are a real couple and dating in real life that's alt shipping- a lot of alt shippers suspect a ship is real and that's why they ship them.

There is no such thing as platonic alt shipping.

And for me personally, because I believe Jikook are a real couple and have made that cross over I don't ship any of that pair romantically with other members anymore.

It's bizzare to me to ship someone I know has a partner romantically with anybody else- I make exceptions for Vmin of course💀

I know JK is side eyeing me but I don't care.

I want Tae to be happy too😭😭😭

Tae just wants his bestfriend and soulmate😭

It's too much😭😭😭😭😭😭

He stays shooting his shots🤣

Jimin Harem is real🤭

I must admit, I catch myself slipping on Vmin and Minimoni every now and then- old habits die hard and they don't make it easy 😫

But that don't mean I think Vmin is dating. THAT WOULD BE WILD.

Summary

Proshippers can be Platonic or Romantic shippers and you can ship a pair romantically and not assume they are real at all.

Anti shippers are just assholes trying to beat their values down people's throats.

Alt shippers don't ship their OTP with other players romantically.

I don't know what you mean by Jinkooker...

Do you ship Jinkook romantically or think they are real?? Sis...

Maybe you just ship them platonically or casually.

I ship all the ships platonically.

Especially all Jimin"s Tae's ships. I'd let my self flirt with the idea of romance every now and then.

JK's ships don't make sense to me as ships.

As nonplatonic ships I mean.

I'm fascinated each time I see a hardcore JK x any member ship besides Jikook swearing up and down JK is screwing Namjoon🤣🤣

I hope this helps??

GOLDY

[samaelwinchester]

what is proshipping? proshippers? saw your reblog and I'm confused

the way it's evolved into a stupid ass dichotomy pisses me off so i actually hate the term proshipper but i'll explain it for you (tldr at the end in case you didnt want a whole speech). and i'll stick it under a read more in case the rest of yall know the drill:

so a "proshipper" is someone who either supports, consumes or creates problematic ship content, like fics or art that contains romanticized rape, incest, abuse and/or pedophilia. they often also use the term "dead dove" after the arrested development joke that basically means "there's romanticization of really fucked up subject matter in here but it's okay because i labeled it so you can't be mad at me!" instead of understanding that the majority of people on this earth are disturbed by such content, they make it their entire online identity and act like an oppressed group because they like reading about pedophilia and rape fics. they call themselves proshippers so it sounds like a noble cause of general artistic freedom when all it means is they like gross shit for the sake of it being gross.

in direct opposition to proshippers are "antis", who you'll hear proshippers bitch about like their lives depend on it. they also call them "fancops", as if strangers on the internet judging your weird paraphilias is even slightly comparable to the heinous shit police do every day. they like to paint antis as ill-informed, entitled and puritanical teenagers who will dox your whole family and ruin your life if you like a ship with a 1 year age gap.

now, do some of them go too far? absolutely. i don't consider myself an "anti". i don't doxx or threaten people that i find gross. i personally believe dark and upsetting topics such as rape, pedophilia, racism, etc. can have their place in a piece of media when it's done with care and nuance and not as a backdrop for your fetish material. i don't want everything i read or watch to be sunshine and rainbows either, but i think using these things to get your rocks off is fucking weird. "but it's fictional! the child being sexually assaulted isn't real!" you are, though. and you're getting off to the fantasy of a child being abused. people are gonna find that weird. if someone's a proshipper, i block and move on with my day. not interested in affiliating or even engaging with people like that.

what pisses me off the most is how many times lgbt+ proshippers try to pass off the shit they do as queer culture. they accuse antis of being homophobic, conservative puritans who are censoring queer media whenever they take issue with them. but nothing, in my opinion, cries "homophobic conservative puritan" more than insinuating a connection between queer culture and things like rape and pedophilia.

TLDR: proshippers like to read fics about romanticized rape and pedophilia and other morally reprehensible topics. antis oppose them. not everybody fits into either side, so making it a "them vs. us" issue was the worst possible outcome. thank voltron legendary defender, whose horrible, brain-rotted fanbase almost gives supernatural a run for their money.