#my issue is how the show handled the actual onscreen abuse and the victim(s) 'deserving' it

[fernsnouveau]

Not really the issues I was talking about, there's the "make your own posts" etiquette, etc

If the Miraculous writers want to make the point that abuse victims are immature and infantile and volatile and need to be controlled by an authority for the sake of their own and the greater good, and therefore Adrien simply cannot be treated as an equal to the Great Marinette, then... I don't think they should be writing the two of them as a romantic couple. The inherent power imbalance is just no good.

(Don't get me wrong, even more so I just think that they shouldn't have taken that stance on abuse victims to begin with.)

[bloodraven55]

that line in 1 thin/g refers to torchwic/k this is why I don’t believe your analysis. A song about a rs which isn’t romantic just like atm. Ship songs have thought to be 1 sided love & it’s not. boo-p (Nor*), dct(pyrra*) & lmfn (su*). It’s going to be funny when BS becomes canon & not bb. Kerr/y was put on the spot of course he’s going to respond just like if he was asked about any other ship he’d given the same response. WR held hands & got coffee (m0n0 too) 2 so does that mean romance?

Weis/s made rub/y coffee & they held hands too but I guess since it’s not bb it can’t be considered romantic. You bb shippers will take any interactions between them as romantic. Zoomed out touching foreheads is romantic but a zoomed out cheek peck nope it can’t be romantic because that’d mean bb can’t happen. & I’m sure Kerr:y would give the same answer about any ship if asked about it onscreen.

And you know why she wasn’t accepting of su/n’s advances was because of her past relationship with Ada/m. Last time she fell for a good looking dude he turned into a monster who didn’t listen & actually care about her/equally. Unlike Ada/m su/n actually listened & she eventually saw that he wasn’t like Ada/m & she eventually fell for him. Ya/ng is a partner & best friend who she won’t leave because of that nothing romantic about it. Just like ili/a difference she actually had a 1 sided crush

You’re blocked for the seventh time, my dude, but please stop embarrassing yourself in my inbox. You’re just making yourself look like such a fool and it’s genuinely starting to get sad to watch.

I don’t even know where to start unpacking this idiocy but for the laughs let’s try.

1) Of course the line about the “candle’s flame” in One Thing is about Roman? When did I ever say it wasn’t? And I don’t know why you believe I think Roman and Neo’s relationship was romantic because I don’t... at all. In fact I strongly dislike the idea of shipping them and see them as totally platonic.

Is it because of my headcanon (i.e. something I don’t necessarily believe is whatsoever canon or true, it’s just a fun idea) that Neo is trans because if so I still don’t see how that would mean romance between her and Roman unless you actually don’t even slightly understand what being trans means.

And as for All That Matters not being romantic just like One Thing, well... yes, All That Matters isn’t romantic, it’s just indicative of feelings stronger than friendship. Whereas in One Thing Neo specifically refers to Roman as her friend. Both songs contain very strong emotion about the person they’re directed at but the context is entirely different since One Thing goes out of its way to platonicise the relationship and Roman and Neo never had a three-season long arc building a romance between them the way Blake and Yang did.

2) Ren and Jaune never showed constant annoyance towards Nora and Pyrrha respectively and both actually had serious emotional conversations to advance their relationship before becoming a couple (Jaune and Pyrrha about Pyrrha’s destiny and Ren and Nora about Kuroyuri and the Nuckelavee). Something Sun and Blake have never had, while what they have had is Blake being irritated by him non-stop for a whole season until he backed off to be her friend instead.

And what Blake and Yang have had is... serious emotional conversations about Adam and both of their personal issues (about Yang’s abandonment issues in Burning the Candle and Blake’s self-perceived problem of running away at Mountain Glenn) which they’ve never talked to anyone else about, much like Jaune and Pyrrha and Ren and Nora and utterly unlike Blake and Sun. Try harder, moron. Also it’s very funny how now you use R/enora as an example of a romantic relationship here whereas before you denied it being canon but I wouldn’t expect any less from you at this point.

3) Blake and Yang’s embrace and forehead touch was zoomed in and close up for most of the scene and only zoomed out at the very end after they’d already had their moment. Blake and Sun’s grandmotherly cheek peck was zoomed out the whole time and lasted all of one second.

The insane reaching you're having to do by this point is only making me think you’re absolutely terrified of B/umbleby happening to have to constantly spam people with so obviously objectively false bullshit like this instead of having some confidence in your opinions and just watching the show to find out what happens.

4) It was Strawberry Sunrises, not coffee, that Blake and Yang got together in After the Fall but I’ll let that slide. And I also never said anything to do with that nice little early moment of friendship between them meaning it was canon but then strawmanning is the only way you can even vaguely pretend to have a point that makes sense so whatever. No, two people sharing a drink together doesn’t mean romance, the three-season long arc Blake and Yang shared that tied their personal storylines together irrevocably and linked into the main plot that directly paralleled Yang with Blake’s ex who identified Yang as filling the same role in Blake’s life as he used to (i.e. that of a romantic partner) means romance.

But of course you’d rather pretend that none of that means anything and make yourself look like even more of a colossal idiot because Adam never showed an iota of jealousy towards Sun and instead instantly dismissed him as merely Blake’s classmate. If that had been the other way round you would be jumping on it as evidence of B/lacksun, though, and we all know it.

5) Blake and Sun never became a couple because she was still feeling the effects of Adam’s abuse? Well, Blake and Yang managed to develop the beginnings of a romance perfectly fine during the same time period because Yang actually showed Blake that she understood her, and also never stalked her halfway across the world and reminded her of Adam but sure. Maybe you’re actually right.

But even if that was the case all it would prove is that Sun has no clue how to correctly approach Blake romantically as an abuse victim, and adding to all the times canon showed how little he understands her, so it would still only further prove that B/lacksun wouldn’t work as a romantic relationship instead of the other way around.

I’m not going to give you another proper response after this, because I have better things to do with my life and the only reason I replied to this one was because your “arguments” were somehow even more nonsensical than usual and it was actually fun to point out just how completely garbage they are, but I want you to think long and hard about whether the better thing for you to do would be to continue pointlessly harassing people and making yourself look like a creepy insecure pathetic loser or to just leave people the fuck alone and see what happens in the show if you're so certain that you’re right.

Because you see, I have never ever even considered going to the tags and blogs of people I disagree with, let alone sending them hundreds of cowardly anon asks spewing shit at them. And the reason why is that I’m confident in what I think will happen and even if I’m wrong I’ll be able to handle it just fine with simply some disappointment before I move on.

But clearly you are far less secure in your opinions which is why you feel the need to seek attention this way even though it achieves nothing and only makes you seem like a complete asshole. So honestly even in the ridiculously unlikely event that you’re correct and B/umbleby never becomes canon, I’ll still feel like the winner here. And if B/umbleby does become canon, I won’t find it “funny” that B/lacksun didn’t, I’ll just be happily enjoying my ship and staying in my lane, because unlike you I’m not a petty douchebag.