#like i have no words for him anymore. after this smear campaign i won't ever be satisfied when he goes back

[meowmeowmessi]

insane to me that culers still believe romero so readily when 1) he participated in those catalan media smears painting messi as the bad guy, and 2) he's been saying 80% for months and was weirdly silent when all that stuff was revealed the past couple of days.

another thing is that i don't feel like the approval would be guarantee and it confuses me why messi's camp would take it as such. it's provisional and depends very heavily on barcelona's transfer window and specifics like salary and transfer fee for other players too. it could get approved, they could make an offer, he could accept it and still get fucked over lmao

messi is an idiot i thought we'd already established this

[the-fall-of-armie-hammer]

imsohammered is asking antis to state what it would take to believe Armie is innocent. For me? I'd have to see an official statement from Instagram that the DMs between Armie and Effie were forged/don't exist. Preferably in the context of a defamation lawsuit but I'll accept IG's official word. Simple enough. One wonders why his esteemed attorney couldn't manage to procure and then publish such a document on his client's behalf? Could it be that they weren't forged? 🤔

Lol, first, I don't even know who that is but if they feel they are oh-so-entitled to an answer, here we go. I will agree with you, anon, that would maybe change my mind, a bit, if a entity such as IG definitively stated they were "fake". But its clear by his own admission that they did in fact exchange texts so not sure how that could be a possibility now.

I would ask @imsohammered (you wanted us to come to you anonymously but you haven't enabled that feature so I will gladly post to you from here, openly) - what would convince you that he is guilty? At this moment in time, all you have as "proof" of his Innocence is his word for it and your own version of the man you believe him to be.

Here are the facts as we have all seen them now, devoid of fandom hypothesies, conspiracy theories of smear campaigns or personal attachment to a fantasy ship/relationship:

1. Armie Hammer was a cheating husband, many times over. Liz knew, they both agreed to counseling and it seems Liz had been under the impression he was willing to do the work. He wasn't. He kept cheating.

2. Covid struck. The reasons for their stay in Cayman are theirs and fandom "imaginings" of machinations bts aren't admissible in a court of law. It is not unreasonable, as a mother, that Liz would want to stay where Covid seemed more under control and manageable, especially with two small children. Extended family around and hell, who wouldn't want to quarantine on a tropical island? Sign me tf up!

3. Armie Hammer, father of two small children, could not manage to stay for their sake, at a time when we were all on the verge, lbr. He fled and immediately sexted his wife instead of whomever he thought he was actually sending that text to.

4. The divorce was announced and we all saw the aftermath- Courtney, then Paige. The desert shenanigans and road trip insanity.

5. We found during this time he was documenting his drug and alcohol abuse. BRAGGING about cheating the system set up in order for him to see his kids. Do you know what that means? A stipulation of the duvorce/custody during that time was mandatory drug testing. Which means, Liz knew he had a problem already and how long do you think that had been going on? Around his kids???

6. His finsta and the way he "presented" Miss Cayman. That's not a man that respects a woman.

7. The texts we saw from Effie. How he enjoyed how well she took what he doled out. Texts that He. Did. Not. Deny. Ever. He admitted in the one text he shared that he couldn't maintain a relationship with her like that anymore- he admitted to a relationship. Full stop.

8. Courtney admitted herself to rehab after her time with him. Anyone who has followed her since can clearly see the change in her from this encounter. Paige's story, the "A" he cut into her- without consent!

9. Armie's texts to Effie paint a picture of a man who pushed boundaries and delighted in the pain he subjected her to. He admitted to enjoying CNC - which is fine, do what you want if your partner is willing- but anyone in the scene knows that ongoing consent is the #1 priority and if she said NO at anytime, he was duty bound to stop.

I know no one likes Effie, but dislike of someone is not reason to disbelieve. And an edited text is not a fake text. Did she manipulate images? No doubt. But all the circumstantial evidence weighs very heavily in her favor, if you take the whole picture of this man as we are presented without fan worship or a fan "expert" declaring the images FAKE.

If Armie can't or won't say they are fake, what should we take from that?