#killing and oppression of palestinians! don't let them lie to you and claim it started on oct 7! it did not!

[isnt-it-too-dreamy]

fuck the german media equaling calls to stop the genocide in gaza with antisemitism, telling the truth about how the state of israel was created with antisemitism, putting "genocide" in quotation marks when referring to what the israeli military do to gaza, putting "24 israeli soldiers killed in one hour" at the front page of the newspaper when so many more, disproportionally more, palestinians are being and have been killed every hour for the last few months, blaming pro-palestine activists for increased hate crimes against jews in germany when the antisemitic "israel/zionism = the entirety of jews and judaism" myth to blame for these antisemitic attacks is perpetuated by their very own twisted way of reporting, and all the other shit they do. the blood of palestinians as well as of those german jews is on their hands. fuck this hypocritical, racist, islamophobic, genocidal country we live in.

[leviathan-supersystem]

alright let's take this apart piece by piece, first with @nerdylilpeebee's reply:

The Arab world has oppressed the Jews for thousands of years

the is pedantic of me but "the arab world" as we would think of it today hasn't even been around for thousands of years. islam dates back to about the 7th century AD, and while there were arabs prior to the development of islam, they were mostly an assortment of nomadic tribes, it wasn't until the Rashidun Caliphate that "the arab world" as we would think of it today got it's start.

and there were Jews in the territory that would later be called Palestine long before Israel was re-established that were, again, oppressed.

if we're talking about prior to the coining of the term "palestine" then the people doing the oppressing would be the romans, who in fact expelled jewish people from the region before the arab conquest even occurred. interestingly, while under the christian byzantine empire (which the roman empire had turned into by then) jewish people were banned from the city of jerusalem, while under muslim rule this ban was lifted, and jewish people were once again permitted to live in jerusalem. [link][page 70-71]

Palestine was not a nation that existed before the British Mandate of Palestine. There was no nation to immigrate to.

there wasn't an independent nation of palestine, but there has been a region which has been called palestine, under the control of various empires (roman, arab, the crusaders, ottoman,) and jewish people could have simply immigrated to that region. the idea of "ohhh but they couldn't have immigrated there since there wasn't an independent nation there" yes they could have. what are you talking about. they could have immigrated to the region when it was under ottoman or british rule, and in fact many jewish people fleeing persecution by christians in europe did in fact flee to the ottoman empire.

Don't go pretending Arabs wouldn't have genocided the Jews if they didn't establish their own nation. Literally the Jews set up Settlements in underdeveloped desert and the surrounding Arab nations immediately set about trying to kill them all.

assuming you're talking about the 1948 arab-israeali war, this is not even close to what happened. what actually happened was that the UN partition plan had been drawn up to split palestine into an arab and jewish nation, and, in doing so, to displace immense numbers of arab palestinians from their home, and the arab league opposed this plan and set out to prevent this. the claim about "underdeveloped desert" being the only land being settled is a flat out lie.

your personal insistence the Jews wouldn't be killed if they just accepted being citizens of an Arab country instead of maintaining their own is LUDICROUS.

given the way populations work, the region would not instantly become an "arab country" as soon as the apartheid rule ended, but rather a multi-ethnic country. indeed, even the earlier, more extreme version of hamas's charter made gestures toward the establishment of a multi-ethnic nation, albeit one under an islamic state ("Under the wing of Islam, it is possible for the followers of the three religions - Islam, Christianity and Judaism - to coexist in peace and quiet with each other."). if you're concerned about the possibility of continuing violence after the end of apartheid rule, then UN peacekeepers could be brought in to, well, keep the peace, as has happened in other countries where similar ethnic strife had occurred.

the phrase "maintaining their own" is a horrific bit of euphemism incidentally. what exactly does it take for israelis to "maintain their own (ethno)state" when palestinian arabs are living in the country? well we can see what it takes, it takes the ethnic cleansing of the non-jewish population. being afraid someone else will commit genocide doesn't justify committing one of your own.

on to @psifitopia:

Also, the current nation of Israel was established in response to…wait for it��GENOCIDE. The Jewish people were harassed and abused for centuries in practically every European nation, culminating in the Holocaust. So, the nation of Israel was RE-established, in order to give them a place to be free of the other nations' B.S.

hey, interesting thing though, you'll notice that palestinians didn't commit the holocaust, nor are they responsible for any of the actions taken by europeans. like, this logic would make sense if a new israel was being established in formerly german land, that would make sense as a retribution for germany's crimes, but that's not where israel was re-established, it was re-established on top of the homes of thousands of palestinian people who had nothing to do with the holocaust whatsoever. and you can try to go "ahhhh but what about the muslim conquest of the region?" except that occurred over a thousand years ago, and the muslims didn't overthrow jewish people to gain control of palestine, they overthrew the byzantines, and in fact, as previously mentioned in this reply, the muslims allowed jewish people to return to jerusalem after they had been banned by the byzantines for years.

Who started those conflicts? Because, you don't get to whine and cry, when you throw hands, then get your butt end handed to you. Israel didn't start them simply by existing.

except that the origin of the current state of israel wasn't a matter of "simply existing" it was a matter of the violent displacement of the thousands of people who were already living there.

Take the current conflict…all Israel was doing was holding a music festival. Then HAMAS attacked. Israel didn't attack Gaza. It was the other way around.

damn that's interesting say what's this article about israel attacking gaza in 2022, about a year before the october 7th attack happened?

this war didn't start with october 7th and it's ludicrous to act like it did.

and just like, looking at your overall argument here- that the the creation of israel was necessary to keep jewish people safe- the obvious problem with that is how it clashes with your other argument, "jewish people are so unsafe in israel and that's why they need to respond with overwhelming force against palestinians"

so which is it? if jewish people are safe in israel, how to you justify this sort of unspeakable violence? if jewish people aren't safe in israel, how do you justify the acts of ethnic cleansing that were committed to establish it?

no cause some of the shit y'all are saying has me genuinely worried that you don't understand the difference between immigration and SETTLER COLONIALISM. y'all do realize that if jewish people just mass migrated to palestine and lived peacefully among palestinians as neighbors and countrymen, then none of this would be a problem. right? you get that, right? you get that our issue was never "there's too many jews here" but rather "why am i getting kicked out of my house." RIGHT?

[misshorrorotaku]

There's already a link between "free Palestine" and antisemitic radicalization. Or did you miss the part where antisemitic hate crimes skyrocketed the second people got an excuse to hate the Jews (i.e. the blatant lie that they're committing genocide)? Or how about the part where you can't find a "pro-palestine" protest without someone calling Jews trash, inhuman, or waving a swastika? It's leftists like these idiots who say "if there's a Nazi at a protest and he isn't beaten up, it's a Nazi protest". Why shouldn't we use their own logic, eh?

It's not BEING mass-killed. There are over 2 million Palestinians and even by Hamas' numbers Israel has killed a very small fraction of that. A third of the deaths in any war in the modern era. They even warn people before they attack, Hamas just doesn't let them flee. You cannot claim a country is being "mass-killed" because it's government started a war and then immediately hid behind the civilians. And frankly, you can oppose this war without acting as tho the one that started it is being oppressed or genocided by the people they've been fucking slaughtering for decades. Literally 2 decades of unguided missiles being launched into Israel, followed by the worst terror attack since 9/11. "Free Palestine." From what? Their victims? The only thing Palestine needs to be free of is Hamas.

Tell that to every person who chants that phrase that responds to people pointing out that they're supporting terrorists by calling said terrorists freedom fighters. I'd say the radicalized position is quite the fucking norm.

No, I think you're antisemitic cuz you want the only Jewish state gone but don't want to acknowledge that will result in a genocide. And then responded to that being pointed out by acting like not having an answer for how to stop that despite wanting an outcome that will cause that isn't a bad thing.

There's the 2-state solution and the dissolution of Hamas, the terrorist organization that caused this. It's literally the most obvious answer, but instead you're wanting Israel gone, the victims of the terrorists.

The thing I don't understand is when I say free Palestine, so many people think that means I hate the Israeli people. That I don't care if they die.

I care about the Israeli people.

I care about the Israeli hostages that were shot down by their own military.

I care about all Israeli hostages in general.

I care about the Israeli men being thrown in jail because they refuse to assist in the "war" around them.

I care about the Israeli people who don't support the genocide happening infront of their very eyes.

Even the Israeli people who do, I don't wish death upon them, or whatever hateful thing you think I do.

When I say free Palestine, I don't mean I hate the Israeli people.

When I say free Palestine, I mean Free Palestine