#just to be clear this poll will have no bearing on what they're actually called

[sapphireswimming]

They're three month old brother (brown/white) and sister (grey)

[tgrailwar-zero]

(Discussion: The following is a draft for giving Kuku the choice to GTFO and if necessary take Little Guy with her - I don't remember if he was in our inventory or out of it right now, but if he was, we should get him out if we can. But others have brought up eventually using a Command Spell so I wanted to put this before the gremium.)

"Yes, Kuku, we did end up not deciding anything again and then only causing more trouble through inaction, which this time may just as well have been an action. Someone ended up suggesting resummoning Charlemagne after the assassination to get rid of the Void Cell influence as a way to cheat the system, contributing to us effectively letting it happen, which is why some of us called you here in the first place. That was a mistake. We should never have put you in this position, no matter if we chose one or the other or what we ended up doing. We're sorry, for that if nothing else.

But they don't bear you any ill will, so perhaps it's for the best if we face the consequences of our (in)action instead of behaving like bloody cowards for once, and maybe try to prevent an immediate outbreak of the war without letting all of you be caught in the crossfire, because Charlemagne is blaming the Solar Divinity for the attempt and they're genuinely innocent (this time); the Assassins want them dead, too, actually. They're hoping for mutual destruction.

We can't blame you if you decide that was something you cannot handle and leave, you made your standpoint very clear earlier. All we can ask of you at this point is to give Avenger, Caster, and Rider our love and regrets, and to take good care of the Little Guy [Actually where is Little Guy? If he's with the others: let's just leave him there. If not: *pops him out of the inventory and hands Little Guy to Kukulkan*]; Saber and Ruler are already trapped with us, so it's probably too late for them to get out. If we're very lucky, we can somehow help them escape, but that seems unlikely right now.

Let's not have more people go down with us than there must. [(Only if he's with us:) Get Little Guy far away from here if nothing else.] Anything else is up to you."/End of Draft

Any amendments and opinions welcome. Actually should we establish a (preliminary) poll to determine what direction we are open to taking with our servants going forward? Are we willing to use more Command Spells to bend them to our will, as we did with Constantine? Even when we don't have one?

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[rainbowangel110]

I know things are absolutely shit in the tags rn. I know that we might possibly lose (we still got 5 days so maybe we can turn it around) but I need to make things clear. This is a long post so bear with me.

Yes I like Alphyne. They were my first queer ship ever. I remember seeing the cheek kiss in the end credits and being so happy for them.

Speaking this as someone who was, and is still a little bit of an Undertale fan.

Y'all really can do better. Reading the tags is so infuriating as there's so musch hate from y'all. I have never in my life seen this much salt and toxicity. And I know the controversies that have happened within the fandom. I thought you guys learned something from them but apparently not.

I'll address some of the hate.

No, Huntlow isn't just a straight ship being tossed at the lesbians (for Christs sake, Alphys is bisexual y'all, it was confirmed in game with the fact she had a crush on Asgore. Get it right.) A massive portion of us HC them as bi, some HC Hunter as trans, there's loads of us who think that Willow is pan, there's some out here who HC them to be a-spec. I know the explicit cannon confirmation isn't there yet, but if you looked, you would know. To us, it's not hetero.

Not it isn't ablelist. Hunter literally cannot do magic by himself, it's part of his arc. He stated it in the third episode he appeared in S2E6. (Spoilers: I know he has magic as of S3E2 but it's not close to what the Boiling Isles "magic" is. He can't cast any spell circles, like how everyone else does) I also saw someone talk about how the "half-a-witch, makes a whole" is also ablelist. My guy, those are parallels in their respective arcs oh my god.

About people calling it a rushed ship and stuff similar to it, no it wasn't going to be if Disney didn't shorten it so hard that we literally have 3 episodes for the final season. There is art about those two from the crew that they've been holding onto for 2 YEARS. Dana has also stated that she's also had some art, but hasn't releases it yet. Meaning that if we weren't shortened, we could have had time. Development. An actual buildup similar to Lumity and Raeda! But no we only have an EPISODE LEFT OF THE SHOW. How can we possibly fit something in for them while wrapping up the plot?!

Thought so. Undertale had the advantage of not being bogged down by a multi million dollar corporation, and yet here you are.

I've seen someone say vote for Alphyne instead of the other ship cuz it sucks, and then in the next fucking tag say they've never even watched the show. What?

And just because they're not seen as queer representation doesn't mean you can't shit on the physical representation. A chubby Asian gal with two dads, self esteem issues and was bullied. A teen with cult trauma and was abused, and has the scars to show. So many people find themselves in these characters. I do so too.

I'm not here to restart a war. If I do, I take full responsibility, no need to attack anyone who defends me. You got any complaints about this reblog, take them to me. Anon asks are open.

Sorry if I pissed off anyone, I truly am. I'm just sick of the hate, the fact that people are receiving full on death threats for not voting Alphyne, people hoping that one of the characters die.

Vote who you want. I don't care. If you hate the ship, I don't care about that. You don't know us, that's fine too. But please, please, I am begging you, let everyone have fun. OP himself has come down to tell y'all to chill out. That hasn't happened with any other poll. So why here? Let this be fun. Don't spread shit, don't send death threats to people for liking what they like. We're not attacking you so why come after us?

Be civil y'all.