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Mary was too much. The show spent to much time in the past they didn’t need to drag Mary back into their lives for MORE FAMILY DRAMA. There were so many options for Amara to grant Dean some wish or some desire that he wanted there was no reason to dig into his rat nest of a life and drag Mary from heaven as some gift to Dean. To me that was as bad as 11 or 12 seasons later we had to put up with meeting Sam’s imaginary friend. They didn’t ring us dry of Sam pity enough? Do we need something more weird from his life to ring the tears from us?
While I didn’t sit at home hating or blogging about her in some crazy negative way. I think I only made one post about her right after she appeared but I was happy to see her go.
Yeah, you're getting the full rant; Mary was a reclamation.
Like most horror media, Supernatural has a bad habit of fridging its female characters to give its male characters a fighting reason. Up until her resurrection, Mary was only present in the past, she was just a memory rather than a person, the perfect mother, perfect wife, perfect woman because she was dead.
Of course killing off a family member is a customary trick of the trade, it’s strong stuff for motivating your characters, but when your pilot opens with not one, but two female characters being killed for the sake of their male partners arc, there’s a problem there.
Mary’s return is important for many reasons. Her presence parallels Jack’s, the ghost of the past and the hope of the future, the undead and the newly born. She represents autonomy being given to women in horror, like Kelly Kline, these women aren’t just hills for men to die on anymore.
Mary is the beginning, she’s the start of it all. Her return was hardly heralded in a way that made us expect her, but she’s not a random prize. Mary’s death has been the catalyst of Sam and Dean’s entire life, and as they move on to the future, there’s a need for them to reconcile with the past, especially with Jack’s introduction.
From this ask and your next, I'm guessing you're much more a fan of Dean than Sam, and I won't lie, my preferences lie that way too, but I fear that you're letting your biases cloud your judgement.
Mary's return has much more to do with Dean than Sam, Dean was four when Mary died, he actually remembers her. Her return spurs a whole new arc for him where he has to come to terms with her absence in his life and the glorified version of her that he grew up with as a result of his young age, Dean feels abandoned by his mother both in the past and in the present.
And once again, with Jack's introduction and Dean's role as one of his parents, there's more for Dean to move through. Dean was incredibly involved in Sam's childhood, and yet now when he's an adult he find himself often emotionally unavailable like his own father was once.
Not to mention, Sam and Dean's lives have been tightly intertwined beyond what is normal for most siblings, they've spent years apart, but they've often only had each other to rely on. Most things that concern one of them will also concern the other. Yes, Mary's return gives Sam a chance to know his mother the way he was never able to, but it also gives Dean the opportunity to reconcile with his childhood, to say things to his mother he never thought he'd be able to say, to resolve a part of his life that has been an open, festering wound.
Dean lost his father to hunting, it's something he struggles to reconcile with (which is why 14x13 is so important but that's another rant). It's part of the reason he's defensive of Sam's criticism of John, because Dean remembers a time when John was attentive and gentle, and not the soldier he regressed to.
In season 1, we see Sam learn that side of John, the part of him that put away money into a college fund for his boys, that hoped for a future free from bloodshed, and he comes to terms with the loss of a father he had never gotten the chance to know.
This is what Dean gets with Mary, the chance to know his mother as she was, as a person and an individual. The resentment that Sam carried for John is comparable to that which Dean carries for Mary, it's a one-dimensional view of their parents, anger at what they weren't just as much as what they were. Dean blames Mary for his childhood, and while I don't think the culpability rests on her, it is that unresolved anger that brings his mother back to him.
Mary gets a second chance at life, Dean gets a second chance with his mother, and he brings her back to him. I really find it difficult to understand how so many people dismiss this plot line, because not only does it parallel the way Sam and Dean slowly lost their father to the hunting life, it is a direct result of Dean's lingering anger and grief that makes Mary their mother again. She avoids them, throws herself back into hunting because it's what's familiar in this world that has aged beyond her, and the guilt of seeing her boys, who have grown despite her absence, is too much to bear. Dean forces her past this guilt, he allows her to forgive herself because he hates her for being gone, but he loves her too, and her knowing that her absence now counts as much as her absence then is what changes everything.
The character writing in supernatural is something that can be so good, I hate to see the hate-train on Mary coming at full speed because she didn't live up to audience expectations (never mind that those expectations were based on snapshots of her from her grieving husband and sons, or the younger and "innocent" version of her). Anyway, you're free to dislike Mary, at the end of the day my opinion is my opinion and yours is your own, but the fact of the matter is that Mary's return was incredibly significant for the overall plot, and Dean's character arc and growth.
#they can never make me hate you mary winchester#can i call this spn meta#spn meta#that crazy moment when life imitates art#john and mary's relationships with their sons are my fav topic#enough with the abuser caricature#that's boring and i hate it#let's realistically discuss the ways john and mary failed as parents pls#that's like half of the tragedy#mary winchester#john winchester#dean winchester#sam winchester#the winchester brothers#supernatural#spn
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REIGN SPOILERS AHEAD
i’m putting all of my thoughts about the series reign on this, i probably forgot a lot of shit, but thats okay. also I’m sorry if this is very long, i have lots of opinions. scroll past!
so im on season 3 episode 7 and here are my thoughts as of this moment:
- francis is everything but also he was so controlling of mary jfc
- nostradamus is really hot
- im sad for mary that francis is dead
- frary is endgame
- but i was totally down for bash and mary to get married
- conde was so hot. i miss him already
- i was not down for the whole cheating plot line with mary
- antoine needs to chill and stop being so vengeful
- kenna is a piece of shit, i mean stop self sabotaging yourself please for the love of god
- so apparently, kenna was masterbating on the staircase in the pilot? i thought she ran out of breath from walking up all those goddamn stairs (chill, this is a joke, but i still think it's funny that she couldn't wait to get to her room)
- henry was fucking gross from the minute he walked on screen
- did everyone forget about aylee?
- poor lola, she couldve been so much more
- on the topic of lola, where tf did john philippe go? like he hasn't been in the past few episodes
- bash is so great
- bash does no wrong, i love him
- i liked diane and i miss her
- leith is honestly the most tragic character in this whole show, i love him
- megan follows does such an amazing job, like she is such a good actress
- why tf couldn't greer marry leith? i guess im just not understanding
- they totally brushed off the whole incest thing between claude and bash, gross
- but also good for greer, she's a great madam
- i don't give any shits about lord narcissi
- i loveeee claude and leith, get married pls
- i really wanted mary and francis to have a child and i almost cried at the miscarriage
- charles is a dick, but also fuck me
- catherine de medici is the best thing to have graced this show, i mean fuck me up bitch ahhh
- poor mary! its so sad that she was raped. to me, the show handled the repercussions fairly well
- i liked the whole catherine going crazy plot line, i thought the writers did a good job with her emotions towards her children
- the end did not pay off though, like how did she get better?
- also, the crazy henry plot line was ass, but i liked it almost?
- i thought the francis killing henry was done very well, subtle, but not out of the blue. plus, you could go back and look at the clues in previous episodes to aid to the murder
and now these are my thoughts past season 3, episode 7 all the way to the end:
- yes i want some bdsm in this bitch fuck it up queen
- catherine and mary are so kinky hahahaahahha
- mary's pussy literally killed don carlos (jk)
- this is the best plot line on this show so far lmao
- i like it better when mary and catherine get along
- god i love princess claude
- i hate narcisse
- fuck narcisse
- even though claude's fucking stupid for writing that her mother poisoned her in her diary and not hiding the diary well, i still love her
- narcisse's secretary is hot in a lowkey kind of way
- also, his death scene was very unrealistic
- thank god lola is leaving, fuck narcisse
- i don't like elizabeth, but i guess im not supposed to
- why does claude have to fuck up leith like that? he's already traumatized by greer
- greer is honestly the secret mvp, what a good woman
- i am more invested in claude and leith's story then anything else in this entire show
- i feel so bad for dudley's wife, she didn't ask for this
- catherine is a sex queen and i stan her
- stubble leith is so hot
- adelaide kane is so fucking pretty goddamn
- honestly, fuck the prince of spain
- charles looks like mary and francis' child grown up tbh
- i have no investment in any of the england storyline
- why do none of the ladies in waiting get a normal marriage and life jeez louise
- CLAUDE DESERVES BETTER
- LEITH DESERVES BETTER
- FUCK THE DUKE WHO MARRIED CLAUDE
- CLAUDE IS A QUEEN WTF I LOVE HER SO MUCH I WANT TO MARRY HER OML
- narcisse can suck my dick
- im all for in charge charles
- i don't like gideon
- i have no investment in the elizabeth/dudley shep, but i still find it really sad
- god i hope that gideon doesn't stab mary in the back
- christophe is really creepy
- my inStiNctS weRe cOrRecT jEsuS ChrISt, christophe is insane
- gideon is also insane
- bash is perfect
- bash needs better sleuthing skills
- i fully support the lola and elizabeth friendship
- mary and gideon have no chemistry haha
- DEAR GOD I LOVE LEITH AND CLAUDE
- greer is so strong, i love her
- I’m so for greer and leith’s friendship
- jc not the bash love storyline again
- i totally forgot mary killed narcisse’s son
- wait at what point did mary meet her ladies??
- literally the only part in this show so far to make cry is when mary went back to defend catherine tbh
- idk why i feel sympathy for catherine
- if bash dies i will stop watching
- thank god
- elizabeth is honestly a better friend to lola than mary was
- charles is so dumb
- god why can’t he learn anything, obviously his friend was a traitor
- charles’ traitor friend is bobo nick jonas
- dark mary is my everything
- claude is her mother’s carbon copy
- the valois children have other siblings? where are they and why haven’t we heard of them?????
- munro is so hot
- bash is actually fucking insane
- why is charles so trustworthy?
- when did james become hot?
- mary is so great when she’s not needy and crying for a romance
- how does everyone just kill people so easily??? i can’t even get my blood drawn without wanting to throw up
- lola is HEARTLESS
- IM SO DOWN FOR A CLAUDE/LEITH WEDDING
- also troye sivan? i love it
- charles totally sucks
- wait what happened with the pagans in the blood woods?
- i cannot stand gideon and mary together
- i’m so sad for lola, she was such a good character
- dear god, this was the only death that i’m actually sad for (and this includes francis)
- i want more for john philippe
- NO I TAKE THAT BACK POOR LEITH
- knox is such a creep
- marys brother needs to stop
- i’m so down with seer bash you guys don’t even understand
- mary is wild omg i love this turn around
- when did james get so hot
- lola and francis’ child is so fucking cute omg
- charles’ mental breakdown is crazy
- ewwww gideon and mary are gross af
- I’m all for darnley
- poor claude honestly, but she is a saint
- if he hurts her, ill beat him up
- damn charles is a vampire
- leith deserved so much better
- i love him
- dude i don’t even give a shit about the other relationships in this show, leith and claude are the greatest
- poor leith, I’m so sad
- agatha’s death is so fucking depressing
- i love mary when she actually has a backbone
- yes motherfucker, murder darnley
- i have no sympathy for darnley’s true love dying, he’s so rude and deceiving
- i love the friendship between catherine and mary ahh
- i don’t know how i feel about greer and james
- where did lady kenna go?
- i like the juxtaposition between mary and francis’ wedding and mary and darnley’s wedding with the flowers and attendees and just overall feeling and how adelaide kane acted in it. you could tell that she truly loved francis but doesn’t love darnley and feels scared with him
- also the fact that mary doesn’t match with darnley’s outfits is an interesting choice
- the timeline on this show is very strange
- claude’s character development is beautiful
- the horny witch is my fav
- umm what she’s pregnant?
- nicole can suck my fucking ass fuck her stupid ass
- i wish the end wasn’t so abrupt tbh
- the last five minutes was so good, i teared up
- ugh now i feel empty inside and want to watch it again!!
ugh this show is so good, like insanely good. i feel like most of the time the characterization was wonderful. claude was my favorite, so its no surprise i like claude and leith the best. i didn’t like francis most of the time while he was alive but i missed his presence on the show. bash was an absolute gem. adelaide kane is so hot oml i died multiple times. i really enjoyed watching it!!!
rate: 9/10 archduchesses falling out of a window during sex (still my favorite part of the show)
favorite character: claude! queen catherine!! runner ups: bash, greer, leith, sometimes mary, elizabeth at the endish
favorite season: season 1!! can’t beat the drama!
#reign#reign spoilers!!!!#sorry?#adelaide kane#torrance combs#mary queen of scots#toby regbo#meg follows#catherine de medici
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