#jac schaeffer i'm sorry i doubted you

[belanekra]

I told someone on here that I didn't think they were going the "Billy made the road" angle (because honestly, I didn't think they were that creative) and I said it very matter of factly. I don't remember who that was but I apologize.

[warningsine]

‘"The tragedy in episode 8 is that Death took Agatha's child and now is coming for her too" did not land for me the way they intended.’

I felt this so much. It’s so nice to see someone else felt the same way. I wish I could get what Jac Schaeffer really wanted with her character because by the end of the show I just felt so sorry for Rio. So literal Death was this relentless force who chased Agatha and made her life a living hell? There is so much missing there. In episode 9 we saw this much more soft Rio who was heartbroken and understood that she would lose Agatha and their child while Agatha takes and takes and plays the victim. Babygirl Rio who has never done anything wrong in her very very very long life ftw lol

"So literal Death was this relentless force who chased Agatha and made her life a living hell?"

Yeah, I mean, that's how Agatha perceives Death in her anger and bitterness, but you can also see that when Rio is like, "Ok, I'll respect your wishes," Agatha makes a face that indicates she didn't like Rio's answer.

Because she's full of shit.

"I never want to see your face again," she says, except some minutes/hours (?) later, she sucks Rio's face off to commit suicide when she could have simply absorbed Rio's power in order to die.

(And then she evades death again; she defies Rio's authority and purpose by becoming a ghost.)

"Oh, she couldn't help but kiss that woman in that moment" and "Oh, that was a gamble on Agatha's part" and "Oh, that was Agatha's way of rejecting their love" according to Jac, who was going and on about "more Rio" and "Rio is neutral, but so toxic with Agatha" and blah, blah, blah...

I guess we [the creators and I, parts of the fandom and I] have different definitions of the word "toxic." My threshold is higher, because I'm often drawn to gothic pairings so Rio's toxicity feels... mild in comparison.

"She wants to kill Agatha!" Yeah, and? To quote Deborah Vance "That's the minimum. The baseline."

Sure, we were meant to feel for Rio when she mourned Agatha, but were we not meant to think her angry outburst was--at least partially--justified based on what we saw in episode 9? Were we meant to see her through Agatha's eyes, i.e., as a stalker? That's where they completely lost me.

@ Billy: "You're the only one that thinks [that I'm not a bad person]."

Am I a joke to you? -Rio probably

"Go back to Rio's toxic embrace," says holier than thou Billy who got three women killed (he is Wanda and Agatha's son all right) and then tries to banish the woman that sacrificed herself for him.

Billy and Agatha share the same flavor of hypocrisy so they are the perfect mother/adopted son combo, I guess.

"Agatha takes and takes and plays the victim"

See, that's why getting Rio's POV would have helped balance things out.

Agatha is selfish ("[Taking] is usually your thing, right?") and, in her grief, she never once stops to consider

what extending Nicky's life cost Rio. Were there any side effects? Because I sincerely doubt that Rio wouldn't have given her even more time with Nicky if she could have.

whether Rio mourned Nicky too--if we roll with the implication that she is the child's other parent.