#it was supposed to be solely meta but i still dont have any answers and only questions so i guess it's a lil bit of a vent post now x'D

[hastalavistabyebye]

I don't really know what to do of Anakin. I should definitely watch the movies again sure. But the thing still is that people's opinions on him are mostly divided on two categories :

-the people that give him full responsibility for everything he did and hate him for it (not talking about Vader, just Anakin)

-the people that consider he wasn't completely responsible for x, y, z reason and he was first and foremost a victim

Basically apologists against haters (on the loose term of the sense, not fandom haters).

And I understand both point of views really. Because he did awful things, he killed those tuskens, he struggled enough with the Jedi way to let his anger and worry win during Ahsoka's emprisonment and escape, he has a problem with order of priority and Padme and him should go see a therapist on the sole ground of how toxic their relationship is. Vader wasn't born in one day, and all that. But Anakin IS also caring and kind hearted and passionate, every single person he loved saw him as a kind and good man (which he was), he got out of his way to help people, even ones that were often considered as less important like droids etc, he tried his best.

He is both of those, he has all of those contradictions.

And I think it all comes down to the level of responsibility we should give him for his crimes (before Vader). And I'm not taking a justice kind of approach. I'm taking a blorbo approach. The "sure he killed people but is it that bad" approach. The "can he be redeemed in a fandom way" side of things. The same approach that made the fandom forgive Fox for killing Fives and dooming both his people and the Jedi at the same time.

So. Is Anakin completely responsible of his actions ? That's the question I've been wondering about.

Because it all comes down to one thing : how much influence did Palpatine have on him ? How much of his actions were his deliberate own choices and how much it was Palpatine whispering in his ear since the tender age of 9 year old freshly freed slave with a very particular experience on life and of what is fair and what isn't.

And it's a complicated question because he also had the Jedi's influence at the very same time.

And he knows the way of the Jedi since he was able to teach it to Ahsoka, who grew up in the temple surrounded by Jedi for as long as she can remember. So he knew all the ordeal. So he should have seen the Tuskens as people and not continue to see them as animals like he did when he was on Tatooine as a child. So he knew what the fuck he was doing when he killed them.

And the way he treated the Coruscant Guard is strange because it is so different than the way he acts with the clones he knows and is closed to and care for (Highlighting those words because they're very important for me regarding Anakin : he cares so much for the people he likes and knows, but does he respect and care to people he doesn't know the same way ? Not as strongly of course, but still, the "Jedi" way if you will) It just seems so very possible that Palpatine's influence have something to do with it. That he was influenced to believe, to keep believing that they are people that aren't as important, as worthy of attention and respect or whatever.

How much was it his very own, responsible choices ? How much was it someone murmuring in his ear and enabling his darker emotions and desires ? His hatred and disdain and possessiveness ? How much was it just him refusing to accept completely the Jedi's beliefs and how much was it Sidious blurring the differences ? Why didn't Anakin completely outgrew his kidvision of the Jedi as invisible heroes ?

How much did Sidious messed with his brain ?

And I don't have an answer ! I can't pinpoint what is his driving force, where his morals are, how much comes from him and how much comes from the litteral sith master and master Manipulator TM who he sees as a grandfather.

What are the Jedi influence and Sith influence proportions in the strange soup of his mind ??

It's bugging me so much.

[vishwaspur]

Replying Anons.

My inbox is not working for some reason so I’ll be answering the asks here for now.

1) "Also..what did Omkara mean by “Maine bohat try kar li!” in regards of his relationship with Gauri?"RIGHT!!!! I was like wtf. He tried to stop her once and THAT IS ALL. I can't believe he's getting frustated so easily. I was looking out for major manaoifying sessions but he's like "I tried to so hard, I got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter". Thumbs down Omkara. You let me and may qween down today!         

BRUH THE LINKIN PARK LYRICS THOUGH!!!

I believe they wanted to rush and set up Shivika as OmRu’s cupids so they just made Omkara talk about his attempts instead of showing them. It’s alllll for Shivika’s convenience :)) Urgh..I don’t want to be salty about it ALL over again..thakk gayi hoon itne namak se main -_- I read an IB viewer say “take the show on epi to epi basis. Don’t expect continuation in any form” and I agree. Otherwise mera brain damage hojana hai.

2) Two episodes of this merger, and already wishing for DBO to be back (esp. since it improved in the last two weeks). I completely agree with your thoughts on today's episode. Why are Rikara being treated as a track for bhaiya-bhaabhi? Worse, Om said "I know I was rude", it was an understatement of epic proportions! And I still can't figure out Gauri's reasons for staying back? What do you think?             

You and me both behen, you and me both. DBO Dabba tha..per APNA Dabba tha. Omkara toh never got focus there but at least Gauri was in character and in charge. One episode in IB and she’s demoted to being bossed around by Annika in every matter. IB mein everything is a track for Bhaiya-Bhabhi. Why do you think DBO was created? Because they couldn’t give the other characters tracks that focused solely on them. I’m just...WOW at the possibility that IB might turn into a 40 minutes Bhaiya-Bhabhi fest.

I have done a LONGASS meta on the DBO finale about the reasons why Omakra asked Gauri to stay/Why Gauri stayed back here. And after today’s episode I think I’m pretty much on the mark with Omkara not wanting to let go of Gauri without giving her/their relationship a chance. Except Omkara is a duffer who isn’t TRYING his best (or if he is..we ain’t seeing it!) I’d say Gauri has gotten so used to being with Omkara that she doesn’t mind staying back temporarily if that’s what Omkara asked her to do. But that’s not reason enough for her to act like all is well between them. That’s in Omkara’s hand. And she’s waiting for him to take charge and finally give their relationship a name. Jahan itna sab seh liya hai..wahan thoda waqt aur sahi. Gauri is basically living like how Chulbul was SUPPOSED to live before Svetlana planned for him to be with Omkara 24x7. Gauri sees to all of Omkara’s needs but that doesn’t mean she’s going to be emotionally there for him all the time. Right now Gauri has no need to be around Omkara all the time..she did it before because she had a reason. If Omkara needs her, he has to seek her out and he HAS to try and bring her walls up. The reason those walls are up are all cuz of him anyway.

Tragedy ye hai ke all of this COULD’VE been done/shown without the interference of Bhaiya-Bhabhi. But alaaasss....Dabba khatam hogaya so ab jo hai so yehi hai..

3) Saw today's show and somehow didnt feel it. I know they are trying but it still feels like the 2 other bros are still playing second fiddle to the main couple. I dont even know whether the initial concept was supposed to have shivika as the main couple with the other 2 as just supporting cast. I mean if that was supposed to be the set up, they should have kept it that way so that expectations are not raised. Shrenu is doing a great job as both a romantic half and a supportive sis in law. Wish they would portray something similar with omkara as well. He just seems to be more of a reactionary figure in the romantic figure. Love his role as a bro but his romantic part does not not have enough meat in it. I am not even considering the Ruvya romance in it. I am just not feeling it unfortunately so i am ok with rudra just being the awesome bhai and devar that he is.        

i agree with every word here so much I don’t know what to add to it. Basically, Ishqbaaaz is essentially Shivika’s show. Be it 20 minutes or 40 minutes, that won’t change. No matter what anyone says, that’s a fact. So they have to take the center stage in basically every track. Exempting Prinku’s irrelevant track, right now all the tracks do involve Shivika. Yes, it’s been done as a way of “getting back to the ObBros roots” but really was there no other way of giving ObBros scenes? I dont understand the need of the couples interfering in each other’s love lives when their own personal lives aren’t sorted at all! And I’m looking at ALL the characters here (except Gauri-Bhavya..those two toh have nothing to do)

Allah jaane wo din kab ayega when Omkara will be his own person. When he will get agency in his own story. When he will stop REACTING and start ACTING on his own! Whenever he starts doing it..writers change tracks or end shows. Omkara’s romantic part gets meat when the feelings are solely his own. Just LOOK at the pretty much epic couch + rain sequence episode. There it was Omkara, in all his own glory. His feelings weren’t a result of a drug or someone’s interference. Did DBO even offer anything more beautiful than that scene? It didn’t! Unfortunately I don’t see it happening again any time soon.

What the show needs isn’t random ObBros/ObBahus moments full of hilarity. They are fun, they are great! But only as a temporary setup to ease the viewers into the new one hour format. What the show needs is meaty tracks for ALL the three ObBros! THAT’S what fans mean when they say they want to see ObBros story. I really hope we get it. I won’t be able to take my Queen being a plot convenience for someone else’s story for much longer. Can’t Svetty come back and be a proper foe for RiKara again? So at LEAST they’d get a track of their own?