#it sounds crazy but when you take those same words that ppl say and apply them to real people... that's what you're saying.

[bylertruther]

sometimes. people on here will say things where i know if i point-blank asked them "hey, do you like butches, femmes, and people that do not 'look' or 'act' queer?" they'll of course say yes duh. and i know if i asked them, "cool. do you think that an androgynous person or 'very gender nonconforming' (for lack of better phrasing) is more queer than someone that isn't?" they'll say no of course not.

but then you read the things they've said about how queer people present themselves, how they "should" present themselves once they've reached a fully realized state, and how it relates to gender and relationships and its like Hmmmmmmmmmm. i don't think you do like any of those three groups i mentioned actually if that's how you really feel on those issues lmao.

it's the same school of thought behind the perplexingly popular idea that because noah wears athleisure, he couldn't possibly be gay (before he came out, this was the common sentiment; and even now, people act like finn is more queer than noah, just because he "looks and acts" like it according to them). this idea that you have to look and act a certain way to be Actually Queer or Queer Enough, and if you don't, then that's because you've fallen victim to conforming or you just aren't as comfortable with your identity. (what? as if there's a single queer identity to begin with?)

that if you're a queer guy and you behave or look masculine, then you just haven't come out of your shell and accepted yourself or experimented enough. that if you're a queer woman and you're feminine, then the same applies, or you're not as queer as a butch woman, who does exhibit gender nonconformity, for example. and if you're butch or femme (+ other equivalents), or in a relationship with your counterpart, then you're perpetuating heteronormativity, as if that's even possible, and we all know that's so very, awfully, terribly Bad, you're a stain on the community, and you have issues you need to work out.

people don't have to look or act in a particular way to be acceptably queer enough. we don't all gravitate towards certain expressions of gender nonconformity or androgyny just because we're queer, and a failure to do that doesn't suggest that we're uncomfortable with ourselves and our identity. you can continue to be yourself as you were even after realizing you're queer. that's not impossible or a bad thing.

femmes and gay men that are masculine in any capacity are not traitors, confused, or less gay. some people are the way that they are, regardless of their sexuality. we don't all morph into the same person when we realize we're queer. that shouldn't be a difficult concept to understand? that's literally just... being a human and treating queer people as such.

those evil gay people who are in "masc/fem" relationships aren't perpetuating heteronormativity either. just because they exist outside of your realm of understanding, or have the kind of relationship that you wouldn't personally want for yourself, that doesn't mean that they aren't members of your community—which is the queer community, in case you forgot—and don't deserve respect, too.

like. it's just so demoralizing lmao. what's so hard to understand about accepting that people are all different and that just because we may belong to the same community, that doesn't mean that we are all the same and must fall in line? it's so tone-deaf, insulting, and just plain unrealistic. you may not mean it that way, but it is. that rhetoric just is.

feminine gay women exist. masculine gay men exist. sometimes they may experiment with their gender expression once realizing this, but they don't always and they don't have to to be considered queer. butch/fem relationships and other similar relationships are not imitations of heterosexuality, because they're fucking gay, and they do not adhere to traditional heterosexual roles, because, again, they're fucking gay.

your experiences and beliefs are not universal. gay people are not clones of each other. stop invalidating or speaking down on other queer people just because you can't relate to them personally. i know some people don't mean to insinuate these things, but you do. you are. constantly. and the people that fall in those categories you've deemed unacceptable and other, see it.

it's so... exhausting to face that in this space, which is supposed to be a respite from the physical world where that happens, too. and those actions, those beliefs that people share, they also bleed into the physical world and how you interact with other people in your community. it's not just little words that you write and have no meaning. it doesn't start and end with a fictional character. the things that you say matter and sometimes they're very troubling.

people who have been in those "fem/masc" relationships, or that identify with any kind of similar label, have not lived a life that's an imitation of heterosexuality, nor are they any less queer than you just because you haven't been in/participate in relationships like that.

[hooddichotomy-blog]

                                         Cynthia Shea                                                              7 months ago (edited)                                                                                          420 Patrock Hello Hy Hi High .How are ya ? How do we effectively correct this situations? Without killing a bunch of innocent people. It's not all Jews .   Just the ones that are in power. And it's not just the Jews , there's other people involved as well .             Just saying 🌿                                                                                                  15                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      420PATROCK                                                              7 months ago                                                                                          I never said kill innocent people. Nasty troll's like you put word's in other's mouth's to get your kick's and drama. Repent sinner!                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              7 months ago                                                                                          420PATROCK   I'm not a troll I gave you my opinion. If someone doesn't agree with you there at troll . How old are you.  You sound like an immature child who has to get his way.  You are the one wishing death upon people.  What are you and Nazi .                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      420PATROCK                                                              7 months ago                                                                                          Your opinion is made up heresay. I have never threatened a life of an innocent. You are a fucking troll making shit up like that. No I am not a National Zionist. They do kill innocent People. 88                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              7 months ago (edited)                                                                                          420PATROCK  you know nothing about me . It sounds like you just realize you are A slave.  I am the master of my reality.  No one else.  I forgive you for being ignorant.  For I to was once a FOOL . Butt really I wasn't as big a fool as YOU.                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      420PATROCK                                                              7 months ago                                                                                          But you know so much about me? I know your root's by your seed. You can't forgive me. Your still a Nimrod!                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              7 months ago                                                                                          420PATROCK    I didn't come from a seed you could look god right in the eye and you wouldn't even know it .  I never said you condoned killing innocent people .  What I said was how do we correct this problem without killing innocent people. How well do you know the English language. Oh boy  are you dumb. You take things out of context then you blowup and ATACK people. Your the only one you're hurting . so farewell to you my friend .I have much more productive things to do.                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      osearth esp                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          I believe most disagreements that are like the example of this thread in which I'm replying, are often simply caused by even just slight differing definitions or varying personal identity of WORDS. And in effect we are often saying the same thing (in different ways) when we argue, but we don't recognize it partially due to the impact stressful emotion has on confusion/logic/rational. I also wonder if someone hasn't engineered our language to seem more combative by using the word "YOU" to mean both the listener and the subject or protagonist when I complain or tell a story to someone, it sounds like i'm talking about them, unless we use the word 'ONE' in place of 'YOU' when describing something to a friend, which i think is more proper English anyway. We all seem to say "YOU" to often to one another, when the most used word in English is "I", that stat is from a 1980s primary school teacher & likely incorrect but I think I wanted to sound ironic after a "their co-opting our own language against us" rant. ;] Once me as a teen and my mother went for counselling now a lot of shlt can go down when you're raised by a single teen mother but I didn't see any need for counselling at least relating to her and my relationship. In the first 20 mins of the first session it was mentioned that often when ppl disagree (we argued maybe monthly at that time) they can really come off and even believe they feel really angry but it is actually us trying to protect ourselves from the real feeling we're having which truthfully deep down is feeling HURT (or possibly frustration, embarrassment etc). So once we heard this my mother and I started talking about that being such a great insight and how it applied directly to us in virtually every argument we'd ever had. So silly of us to be acting mad when we were not even angry at all we were HURTING but in denial. We continued to talk both amazed at this simple insight impacting so many pre-conceptions we had acquired of one another and others while essentially judging people often even having great love for them, judged them for not knowing they were hurt thus reacting in attempt to protect themselves. That session we basically walked out of halfway through changed our lives forever, monthly fights went extinct or more like to a decade basis. I was young enough that seeing fear and hurt when people would try to show anger and create fear made me a much more empathetic person and changed my life. For a long time i didn't even believe in anger as a real emotion, being that it's just "fear with teeth", because i could see no evolutionary advantage for anger, I now know human development can't be simplified that easily. But it's still an enlightening concept in any approach to conflict, especially in avoiding conflict. We're on the same side guys. Try not to be further divided if we all become further individualized then their conquering is basically completed. After us having done the 'heavy lifting' in the making possible our failed destiny as designed! We should try in as many ways possible to each day's every event, at least where we have a choice of our re/action, to stop furthering our own enslavement. The one way that each and every single person can do this everywhere is by at least starting to try to be more forgiving. Actively forgiving is really just a way to not have to carry stress and other baggage that's rightfully someone else's anyways. Posting before checking order/spelling/rereading atleast someone may possibly read & maybe didn't just waste precious life hour. Love+Respect=2u&4all! "Each one to teach one reach one." (2000) - MC Ryan Butler                                                                                                  4                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      420PATROCK                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          A serpent is a serpent. You either believe the Messiah was Yeshua Yahamashia.. Jesus. Or you don't. So kill off the elite and guess what, more serpents will fill their shoes.                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          420PATROCK        You are an idiot. You put words in your own mouth. Someone must’ve droped you on your  head or something.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          420PATROCK                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          I'd rateher be called an idiot who knows not the truth than a Nimrod.                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              6 months ago (edited)                                                                                          420PATROCK     So you admit to.being an Idiot. Al l your false knowledge is from your misinterpretation of the Bible.you believe in 🧚‍♀️ fairytale’s🧚‍♂️                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          420PATROCK                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          Your the one dwelling in an unconscious delusion known as cognitive dissonance.                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          420PATROCK   You again?                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          420PATROCK                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          You are a vile hypocrite living in cognitive dissonance and apparently suffer from Stockholm syndrome as well. I would never kill an innocent Person but there are millions I have no problem killing that are guilty! I will go before GOD on judgement day with honor! I actually look forward to dieing for what is right because life is a gift from GOD as a test. Will you pass it?                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Cynthia Shea                                                              6 months ago (edited)                                                                                          420PATROCK what do you mean by that ?  Your not killing anyone with those  CHICKEN  ARMS .   Stick your guitar we’re the sun DONT SHINE .  You   PU- -y boy. Back in the DAY  when I went to PARIS ISLAND 🌴 We would have Delt with you Harshly . Maybe leave you in the gas chamber over night . You insignificant PUKE 🤢 🤮 DONT YOU EVER THREATEN ME AGAIN . Even the Devil knows better than to FUCK with ME . YOU DUMB ASS .  Lookup  MARINE CORPS M 40 &  8541 See what comes up you   C - - T you have no Respect for anyone or any thing .  No one of any importance will miss you when your gone  .  Dry up and blow away .     P.S. How do you sleep at night ? You must eat hands full of sleeping pills .      Will you pass it ? What kind of question is that ? Life is a test?  You don’t know what your talking about .  Shit Head                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          420PATROCK                                                              6 months ago                                                                                          Learn to read and think. It's an amazing thing intelligent People do.                                                                                                  1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fuckinsurance                                                              5 months ago                                                                                          SHIT, Hitler did fake his death and go to Argintina! That nigga speak better English now tho. I just can't believe he left Eva Braun and got with a black woman. Of course Hitler did believe that black people were the real Jews! And that the white ones were evil imposters who stole their culture and ran them out of Isreal! U think I'm crazy? Naw. Hitler believed that shit more than modern day Afrocentrics do! Matter of fact I found those Hitler quotes on a racist black guys YouTube channel claiming whites were inferior, while he was using Hitler's belief in that as his evidence! Real Nigga SHIT!                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      Fuckinsurance                                                              5 months ago                                                                                          Before u respond like a libtarded SJW beta bitch boi, do the research and discredit that if u can!                                                                                                  2                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      sponge head                                                              2 months ago                                                                                          Cynthia Shea Who believes in fairy tales? I'd say believing you came from a monkey is a bigger fairly tale than believing in God! Also believing that DNA just formed all by itself in a mud puddle. I guess you missed it when the scientists at Harvard found messages in our DNA, and the top layer message from our DNA says God eternal within the body! Also maybe you haven't heard of Ron Wyatt? You should look up what he found in the 70's and 80's. To me believing in evolution with absolutely no proof, not even one transitional fossil when the museums should be full of them is not only delusional but definitely believing in fairy tales!                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          alchemistking dickinson                                                              1 month ago                                                                                          The ones foaming at the mouth pointing fingers and screaming to kill are demons; unclean; sinners and this murderous spirit is going to implode on itself as the false will~~~                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          Drew High                                                              2 weeks ago                                                                                          osearth esp your words are full of treasures.You've given us  heart filled tools to find Gems of compassion. all that read your words are lucky. Your a awsome person. thanks for sharing. i wish you and your mother manny blessings.