#it certainly isn't because of the quantity of the malevolence that's for sure
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lastthroes · 2 years ago
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fact-checking some berseria parts again for writing purposes, and i noticed something
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this happens during the first visit to hexen island. the entire context goes as follows
In order for Innominat to eternally suppress negative emotions…
He needs an infinite, powerful source of malevolence to feed off of. For example, that produced by an immortal dragon.
Which would make this place a sort of "dragon farm," created so he can control humanity forever.
but, you know. that part in bold doesn't sound right. and looking at its original equivalent in japanese...
カノヌシに、ずっと業を鎮めさせるには……
穢れを喰わせ続ければいい。例えば、不死身のドラゴンが発する強力な穢れを
ここは、人間を制御し続けるための“ドラゴン牧場”というわけか
nothing here seems to imply this... let's call it "energy" that's being taken from the dragon is limitless. powerful, yeah. infinite, not really. feel free to correct me if i'm wrong, but i can't find any single stance of so in any of the dictionaries i've checked 強力 for
the verb used 発する is also one that seems can be used for both "emit" and "produce". the game already stated before that malakhim cannot produce malevolence through grimoirh, just like we know immortality is an attribute inherited from being a sort of "transformation" of a malakhim. malevolence comes from their surroundings, with malakhim absorbing it, which ties yet again with the ex dungeon's revelation as to why does malevolence exists in the first place. this is how eizen ultimately becomes a dragon, and also how theodora became one through the short story
as to the wording of the "dragon farm", it also makes more sense that several dragons are needed, not just one. after all, if one single dragon has infinite malevolence, there's no need to have an entire farm made out of them rather than keeping one individual. or a few of them, but as backup rather than because the first one will be eventually exhausted. or maybe... i wonder what happens once innominat has completely eaten a dragon's malevolence away? even if it's said they're immortal much like malakhim and can't die of old age, do the dragons actually die when this happens? when velvet absorbs a daemons' malevolence, they came back to their human form... as corpses. only phi has the power of turning a daemon back to human without killing them. so, would innominat be like velvet with the dragons?
this was probably overlooked because the translation got rushed and/or was underpaid, but it also answers for me the question of "couldn't they throw innominat against a dragon so he fed off it forever instead of from velvet?", being less about the urgency and more about the possibilities, because the way an infinite cycle was created was that they were both feeding off each other the same malevolence in a constant, rather than the onesideness of innominat devouring a dragon's malevolence. the "finite energy" also makes the dragon farm part even more messed up, by implying that they are going to sacrifice as many malakhim as needed to keep this going on forever
#things that i have had in drafts for way too long to the point i can't remember what else did i want to add#tl#zestbers talk#as if the rules about malevolence weren't flimsy enough#between this and spanish being a re-translation it's no wonder i've gotten certain lore details mixed up/confused#but i can compare games now by looking at both scripts#i'm thinking about spanish xillia 2#the part where they said there was public healthcare in elympios in the spanish version#when that's not at all what they say in the english and japanese script#it's still funny#i spent so long being confused about how was ludger charged with a 20kk debt then#x2 talk#i suppose in x2's case the translator happened to be from spain where free healthcare is indeed a thing#going back to berseria#maybe this person mixed up the immortality part with the part talking about the power the dragon emits?#there are actually several things i need to check in the scripts#because playing in spanish i remember getting symonne's oath mixed up#and i'm pretty sure for berseria it also implied zaveid had made an oath related to killing eizen#when that cannot be. he explicitly says he did not make an oath about it in zestiria+has another one#i wish i had the time to go through the entire games in japanese...#if i were actually fluent it wouldn't be as much of as chore..#kai dont look#but yeah i've been bothered by this for a while#a lord of calamity being a human (produces malevolence on their own) having infinite malevolence made sense#a dragon (derivated from a seraph and cannot produce malevolence on their own) having infinite malevolence did not#and i still wish we were actually given a reason why you can't purify dragons...#it certainly isn't because of the quantity of the malevolence that's for sure#i still wish the worldbuilding of yamamoto tales games wasn't... like this
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