#is this a controversial opinion i kno nothing about this fandom I'm a lurker

[cosmic-walkers]

There is something so interesting and rather, hypocritical about Star Wars (mostly the clone wars TV) wherein the Jedi and Senate talk about liberation and freedom (you have Anakin, a former slave who vehemently hates slavers, and Padme who is revered as freedom fighter herself), yet they operate with a slave army wrt to the clones. Regardless of if some of the Jedi are kind to the clones, the clones are still canonically slaves and the Jedi and Senate just...brush over it. No policies to help the clones, nothing, nothing of the sort. They are seen as objects. When there is talk about them in the Senate, it is usually because they are too expensive for the Senate (i.e the episode where Padme discussed how they needed to stop cloning because of their budget). There is, some after thought of them like, 'oh yes they are dying for our cause that too' but overall they are seen as objects and second class citizens and even in the show they face discrimination. We tend to have 'good' jedi again like Ahsoka, Anakin and Obi-Wan who are often times hailed up as good jedi but at their core, they still are slave masters. And even a lot of clone development, narratives, etc., is tied to them and how they feel and not really the clones themselves. I'll never forget watching the six unreleased episodes or whatever and at the end we see Ahsoka looking at the clones graves but the reality is that, the clones tragedies and deaths maybe shouldn't have been tied to her since she was complicit in their oppression. Maybe Rex should have been standing there, looking at all of his fallen brothers, because Ahsoka simply didn't have that relationship with them that they were pushing.

IDK i've been on twitter a lot and following Stars Wars blogs and every so often this thought pops into my mind regarding the clone wars.

And then of course there is the bad batch but the bad batch humanizes clones who are 'different' clones who are seen better than the rest so therefore, they are allowed to be humanized and viewed through a likable lense.

And on one hand, i understand the point of the jedi is to be viewed through an extremely critical gaze, we're supposed to see their hypocrites. But the franchise has had years to call out the jedi for being complicit in slavery and never...and i mean never really has when it comes to the clones. at least not in a way that makes a difference.

and we still, have jedi being the main focus on clone narratives - outside of the bad batch.

[the-greatest-8]

Honestly I agree with you, but I'm not involved with the Starwars cannon content to truly know enough. My personal opinion is that the Jedi order is basically indentured servants to the Senate. However I'm not delusional enough to ignore that's a fannon view I have. There's also the issue it was a Jedi who commissioned the Clones(I'm damn certain it was? Maybe I'm just wrong) and got hijacked by Yan Dooku. I'm not sure the Jedi were even aware of the Clones until they were decanted and ready for battle. By then what can the Jedi do? Do they admit they are so unaware of their OWN members that they didn't know this army had been made? Or do they accept the army(therefore at least being able to guarantee they're treated as well as they can be given the situation) and work with the Senate in a war they were already going to be sent to fight?

The Jedi ARE hypocritical, and I think that was the point. The Jedi are seen as these larger then life figures- bringers of peace and justice, fighters of rights. There is one issue though, they're only human(in the fact they're sentient life that has desires like any other and not they're ALL human obv). They have desire, they have urges and emotions, they're not perfect. They have powers that can quite literally kill people with a thought and enough desire, and the Dark side is a constant risk you actively have to be aware of. It's also difficult to see BECAUSE of the emotions and feelings of an individual. How many people can say they are objective all the time? That they can FULLY separate their emotions from a situation they're actively in? How many Jedi were even aware the Clones were slaves at first? Or were even able to put it together? It's obvious to us- because we are not in the situation. When the majority of Jedi put it together? Well, what can you do then? What do you even say to justify it or to gain the Clones freedom? Nothing, because while the Clones were made for the Jedi, the Jedi are servants to the Senate.

I agree with you that the Jedi order is hypocritical. I think that was always the point however, because if they weren't imperfect- how would Darksiders be able to justify and gain new members? If the Jedi were truly that great, how would the Dark ever gain traction? If they were perfect; they would not be real beings we can emphasize and relate to. The Jedi are flawed because they are sentient and real. Just like the Clones are. I think it's a bad situation all around, one that is definitely worse for the Clones then the Jedi however.

Or- and it's always a real possibility; I'm just speaking out of my ass. I like your thoughts though!

There is something so interesting and rather, hypocritical about Star Wars (mostly the clone wars TV) wherein the Jedi and Senate talk about liberation and freedom (you have Anakin, a former slave who vehemently hates slavers, and Padme who is revered as freedom fighter herself), yet they operate with a slave army wrt to the clones. Regardless of if some of the Jedi are kind to the clones, the clones are still canonically slaves and the Jedi and Senate just...brush over it. No policies to help the clones, nothing, nothing of the sort. They are seen as objects. When there is talk about them in the Senate, it is usually because they are too expensive for the Senate (i.e the episode where Padme discussed how they needed to stop cloning because of their budget). There is, some after thought of them like, 'oh yes they are dying for our cause that too' but overall they are seen as objects and second class citizens and even in the show they face discrimination. We tend to have 'good' jedi again like Ahsoka, Anakin and Obi-Wan who are often times hailed up as good jedi but at their core, they still are slave masters. And even a lot of clone development, narratives, etc., is tied to them and how they feel and not really the clones themselves. I'll never forget watching the six unreleased episodes or whatever and at the end we see Ahsoka looking at the clones graves but the reality is that, the clones tragedies and deaths maybe shouldn't have been tied to her since she was complicit in their oppression. Maybe Rex should have been standing there, looking at all of his fallen brothers, because Ahsoka simply didn't have that relationship with them that they were pushing.

IDK i've been on twitter a lot and following Stars Wars blogs and every so often this thought pops into my mind regarding the clone wars.

And then of course there is the bad batch but the bad batch humanizes clones who are 'different' clones who are seen better than the rest so therefore, they are allowed to be humanized and viewed through a likable lense.