#if you're curious i see them as a trans masc lesbian

[enemywasp]

"Lesboys are just some 2020 fad!"

Explain him then.

Dj pon3 my favourite lesboy since 2011

[exeggcute]

just a heads up - the whipping girl is great and does a really good job at describing transfem experiences imo and ring true to my life but based on conversations with transmasc friends its not as good of a reflection of transmasc experiences n can even read as offensive? idk how u identify or if that matters. I do think its worth reading for a good transfem perspective tho :3

interesting... I suppose I'll have to read on and see lol. I assume you're transfem based on the phrasing here and like, obviously communicating with me in good faith, so I mean this with no malice towards you or your transmasc friends—but I'm curious how much the "offensive" part comes from an honest/earnest reading of her work and how much stems from a more general kneejerk reaction from certain stripes of transmasc people who bristle at any descriptions of power dynamics that might implicate them in transmisogny... which, tbqh, the growing prominence of those kneejerk reactions is part of why I finally picked up whipping girl in the first place!

so I'm definitely interested in the transfem perspective, especially going back to the root of the term "transmisogny" amidst a climate where it's being repurposed for increasingly removed ends, but even as a transmasc(?)* person I've already been nodding along with stuff she's described in the foreword/blog posts that I've read so far. the only thing I would strongly disagree with is her assertion that masculine gender presentation is valued more highly than feminine gender presentation in lesbian communities, because in my experience that's not always or even often the case, but I also assume a lot of that has to do with cultural shifts over time considering that she's a few years older than my mom. lol. I actually wonder if the newfound dominance (or at least what I perceive as a dominance) of feminine perspectives in lesbian communities comes from the fact that, like, both gayness and general gender nonconformity are more culturally acceptable than they were even 15 or 25 years ago, but the former has gained more ground than the latter, and so being more "normatively" female (and therefore more mainstream) has become the new metric for assigning value in gay spaces versus an old school approach that simply valued masculinity as-is. times change etc etc. and in the act of typing all that out it also occurred to me how much the current plight of masc lesbians might be collateral damage from modern flavors of transmisognystic radfems who target trans lesbians in a way that also leaves cis butches in the lurch. much to consider...

* just to lay my cards on the table, I don't strooongly align myself with "transmasc" as a label but it does describe the general... direction in which I have moved, lol. in any case I'm certainly not transfem but I do believe in their beliefs.

[mindbrokengirl]

poll results and discussion

the turnout on this was very nice! which is kind of a shame bc i forgot to add an "other" option and (as pointed out in the comments) a "more dysphoric" option. so the results here are a bit skewed. nevertheless, i've included a results-by-category breakdown so anyone interested doesnt have to do the math themself. my comments are strictly after the math, in case you want to avoid some slightly more in-character posting about this

here in the math section i've removed all "see results" answers and made some groupings

by gender/role

ftmgirls total: 84.8% (189) of respondents

more masculine: 19% (36)

less dysphoric: 30% (56)

no change: 13% (25)

more feminine: 22% (42)

detransitioning: 16% (30)

other genders/roles total: 15.2% (34) of respondents

more [current gender]: 35% (12)

no change: 50% (17)

less [current gender]: 15% (5)

by effect

no change (answers 2, 3, and 7): 44% (98)

moving towards preexisting* gender (answers 1 and 6): 22% (48)

moving away from preexisting* gender (answers 4, 5, and 8): 35% (77)

*it occurs to me as i type this that these categories assume that all ftmgirls were somewhat masculine irl. for all i know someone couldve been transgendered by jerking off to the thought of being ftm so that they could then be detransitioned. if thats you, contact me post haste.

discussion

omggg 😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫 god i fucking love how many of us are detransitioning. if you're reading this and thats not you i respect it but it feels soooo good to give in. don't you want to give in? 🥺 i am curious how many are detrans-for-the-kink and how many feel that the kink just helps them through it or allowed them to consider it. obv im biased towards the kink group but detransitioning in general is interesting and difficult and strange. i hope you're having fun with it too.

i was expecting the "no change" groups to be the largest, so that's not a surprise. it is how the kink is usually portrayed (partially accurate, partially out of fear of judgment imo), and it's nice that many of you feel more comfortable with dysphoria because of it. the ftmgirls getting either more masc (hell yeah) or more fem (:3) are cute and i wish you even more freedom to experiment.

my favorite group here is the not-ftmgirl less-[current gender] group. im so glad this one did end up getting some votes. who are the five of you. what is your story. wondering if this is mtftm enjoyers or a more varied group of trans and cis people. feel free to write in. and finally, im also thrilled to see that us ftmgirls can offer our services as gender affirmation to some of you. my preference leans toward making cis guys more secure in their masculinity but i know there are girls for cis lesbians and trans doms of all sorts. love is love 💕

*ftm is defined broadly. if you see yourself in that role for the kink, answer a 'ftmgirl' option on the poll. if you're a ftm who takes the dominant role, answer 'not ftmgirl'.