#if you don't want to quack like a duck and get called one; or validate actual ducks en masse. we are not the same
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i truly love making people mad by applying basic reading comprehension to the words that are in front of me instead of using telepathy to intuit that a stranger means the exact opposite of what they said, using my block button, and moving on with my life
#moogletalks# ¯\_(ツ)_/¯#i have a cat to pet; and believe words mean things; and some of those things are in fact Critically Important to communicate clearly#if you don't want to quack like a duck and get called one; or validate actual ducks en masse. we are not the same#and like to be clear i know that not everyone who reblogs that kind of post is picking up on what it's actually saying#as in Actually Saying; with words and not telepathic vibes#but i also think it's very telling that posts about defending people's right to be Crazy and Unhealthy(tm) about relationships#in response to criticism get defenses leaning on calling the person 'insane' and a 'lunatic' 🤔#anyway this is the last i'm gonna post or look at about that bullshit#including more than just the one anon embarrassing themself in my inbox#i am spraying my febreeze and moving on#abuse cw#ableism cw#anti-survivor cw#edit: okay one last thing actually#'but how was i SUPPOSED to know that when i said i wanted to express myself by beating loved ones' faces bloody because i was mad'#'people would take it at face value??? ummm i was being POETIC???'#'i've never hit someone in my life how dare you??? what would have possibly given you that impression???'#'the only reason you're calling my abuse rhetoric abuse rhetoric based on the evidence of your eyes is bc you're Crazy Irrational & Insane'#'quit stifling people's humanity and emotional expression you [slur] [slur] [slur] [slur] [slur]'#which like none of this approach helps one's case for THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT I'M NOT ABUSIVE IT'S NOT ABUSE RHETORIC I SWEAR lmfao#(for clarity's sake it was about 'screaming blood and guts and crying' at people; not physical abuse. but it is not a whole lot better lol)#(if you are in a relationship where someone is regularly driving you to the point of screaming at them because you are at wit's end)#(and nothing else works to get them to back off and stop hurting and goading you)#(and once you finally lash out; they use it as a get-out-of-jail-free card for addressing any of your concerns#bc you're Crazy and Emotional. that is not a safe relationship and you need to get out instead of investing in it /more/#and if you realize that you /can't/ get out... it is REALLY NOT SAFE and you most definitely have abuse on your hands here#this rhetoric is dangerous for victims on both sides of the coin. don't encourage people to stay in relationships like this#don't encourage them to stay in relationships where they are metaphorically having to physically defend themselves from an abuser#instead ppl need to learn what goading looks like vs existing in ways an abuser takes offense to. i cannot overstate how important this is
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So a younger friend of mine who does not identify as queer (yet) was talking about friendships and I was like 'the word you are looking for is queer platonic'. Normally I can list a dozen gay or bi or trans or poly or kinky stories to people to help them get a feel for whether they like the label for themselves but for queer platonic I pretty much just jumped to you and Glenn, lol. So, any thoughts or suggestions?
Hi anon!
Generally I just make suggestions to people re: sexuality instead of telling them 'you're looking for this word' because these are always self-defined. (If someone who identifies as/is gay wants to be in a relationship that everyone else would call queerplatonic, but they wouldn't, then it's not queerplatonic. Period.) Even if it looks like a duck, talks like a duck and quack likes a duck, the only person who gets to call themselves a duck is the person in question, in these circumstances.
Your friend might also want to look into romantic friendship, which is another thing that exists, and isn't the same as being QPP. I've been in both kinds of relationships and they can be remarkably different while still being completely non-sexual. But for someone who is like 'I want to be close to friends without being in a relationship' - they may be expressing a desire for a QPP or romantic friendship situation, and both can be very different.
That being said, I've never found any decent representation of queerplatonic connections and relationships. I know they're out there, and it might be worth googling for some content. While there are romantic asexual stories out there, it's just not the same thing, and it doesn't hit the mark if you're QPP or in a QPP relationship.
That being said, Glen and I have two headcanon couples that we always kind of say are queerplatonic and awesome, one I think was intended to be by the creators, and the other is a mess because the creators didn't know what to do lol. So the first is Joan and Sherlock from Elementary, where the creators have talked openly about the kind of relationship they have, and the only reason they didn't use the word queerplatonic is because they didn't know it, lol. Joan & Sherlock are great role models, because open communication is always valued, and they become increasingly validating towards their mutual need to live together as non-romantic and non-sexual partners and friends, and because they get a happy ending, neither one forcing themselves into conventional monogamous allo relationships.
The other is much older and probably won't be suitable for your friend because of how problematic it would be in this day and age, but that would be Will and Grace from Will & Grace, who are actually another pretty decent example of a queerplatonic relationship, but a much more fraught one.
Honestly, I can't think of any queerplatonic novels though. There's more ace ones, even aroace ones, but an aroace relationship isn't a queerplatonic relationship (unless both parties agree that it's both), and likewise, a romantic friendship isn't any of the above, so it's just...fraught re: trying to find representation. It's also worth your friend taking some time to brainstorm what they want, even if it seems like it's not allowed, they never see it in the media, or it seems like they shouldn't. Ultimately they don't need to put a label on it - though it can help - provided they can still get their needs met.
#asks and answers#queer culture#personal#i don't know of any books etc.#but i'm pretty sure there are some comics out there#i just don't know the names i remember seeing them in passing#AVEN might have some media recommendations#and also some definitions#(AVEN is a website)#i'm pretty sure glen and i have some other non-official QPP representation in the media#but i can't think of what it is right now which is frustrating#glen and i have also in the past considered#turk and JD from scrubs#to fit the definition of romantic friendship pretty well
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