#if it's not jay we'll have to wait. we need more than crumbs at this point

[taddymason]

i been Thinking about rogue jay so much tgat rogue doesnt even sound Like a Real word anymore ...... do u think he changed his name to rogue to escape tge fiasco at tournament and make sure the ninja csnt find him or Do u think hes being #edgy

I should have answered this earlier because I was already writing a detailed answer and just saw a post that apparently that minifigure is not Jay so… we'll have to wait and see which direction his arc goes and what the heck happens to him in S3.

Now because of me a lot of people on twitter think he changed his name lol

[herrmannhalsteadproduction]

Friends who are reading Fine is a Four-Letter Word, I know the series has been going on for a while so you might need a bit of a memory jog to give the creeper reveal in Chapter Five more context. Instead of having to go back and hunt through past installments, I've laid it all out for you under the cut:

So, Ramsay was the guy that Voight was using Vinnie to catch (and consequently Bex) during the OP in Reckless (With My Heart)

Here's when they first talk about him:

“There was a phone call,” she finally said. “Cal said it was…Ramsay? Vinnie got mad at him for interrupting and told him to shut up. He got me out of there pretty quickly after that.”

Al shot a quick look at Hank and caught the same light of recognition in his eyes. “You sure he said Ramsay?” he asked Bex.

She nodded. “Positive.”

“Who’s Ramsay?” Burgess asked.

“Book cooker,” Al said. “Hence the nickname. Slippery too. No one’s ever been able to pin him down.”

**They go through with the OP because this might be their only chance to pin him down.

** THEN we have his first appearance on the body cam when Bex is trapped in Vinnie's office:

A young guy with shaggy blond hair and glasses was standing in the doorway of what looked like another room attached to the other side of the office. He was stealing glances at Bex as he ducked his head shyly.

(a little later in the scene)

“Who’s your friend?” Bex’s voice came through the speakers, holding steady…for now.

“This is Ramsay,” Vinnie answered and Voight’s eyes lit up. “He wanted to meet the singer behind tonight’s incredible performance.”

(A bit later...)

Vinnie was pulling more guns out of the cabinet as Ramsay chucked the bag to the ground, still arguing with him. "Leave this crap and unlock the door so we can get out of here," Ramsay was saying. "We'll take the girl and we can access the money from anywhere. Let's go."

She did not like the sound of that. Bex's brain was spinning as she tried to think of a way out of this. She took a deep breath and another look at her surroundings. There was a desk nearby.

**THEN later, the first hints that there's a LOT more to Ramsay than even the team had realized:

The biggest surprise had come after processing Ramsay—his prints hit for a number of unsolved assault cases. Twenty-two years old and a felon on multiple fronts. The forensic team was working their way through his laptop as well and it looked like more empires than Vinnie’s were about to take a hit.

***At the beginning of There's a Way, we see further clues of his obsession with Bex forming:

Jay was about ready to drink away the dregs of this last week too. Vinnie’s side of the case had been easy enough to pack up, but Ramsay (real name Robert Forrest) had been a headache and a half. At first glance, the laptop had been simple to decipher. Turned out it had been surface stuff. Easily cracked info on admittedly big names they were after, but it was all bread crumb trails to pull their focus from Ramsay himself.

The forensic accounting team was still trying to trace the millions of dollars the kid had squirreled away from the various operations he’d been working with. Then the FBI swooped in and they weren’t having much better luck.

Apparently, Ramsay was some kind of tech genius on top of being a serial violent offender. Jay couldn’t wait to get him out of their precinct and out of their city.

He’d been in the observation room during some of the interrogation and the guy had mostly kept quiet, just staring at the window, right at Jay. Like he knew exactly where he was.

Eyes unblinking behind his glasses, Ramsay had refused to answer their questions with anything but questions of his own. And they were all about Bex.

How’d that pretty girl make out? Did Vinnie leave any marks on her? What was her name? Bex? Bex. I liked her voice. I wanted her to sing for me. Don’t you think she’d make beautiful sounds?

Ruzek and Olinsky had to stop him from charging into the room and squashing the little bastard.

**THEN: In Honesty. Horrible, Horrible Honesty, when Bex and the Taggerts do the instagram live thing, Ramsay is one of the creepy commenters. His screen name is yeschef - which was probably a too subtle hint on my part? But the logic was his nickname is Ramsay because he cooks the books - Ramsay as in Gordon Ramsay so I had him take the screen name yes chef as his own personal joke. He posted:

yeschef: love to hear the pain in your voice bex

And then Emery says this while she's scrolling through the comments on Bex's phone:

“Ooh, okay, this guy made a ton of comments,” she said, scrolling through Bex’s pictures. “You should only sing sad songs. Your pain is so beautiful. I’d love to see you cry. Oh, Jesus—I’m reporting this one. He’s creepy. Goodbye, yeschef.” **All of the anonymous cutaway scenes at Statesville are Ramsay

**THEN when Bex is in the hospital and she received the red asters, those are from Ramsay. Anytime she receives those going forward (which she has at least twice so far, I believe), they'll be from Ramsay. Red asters symbolize undying devotion.

I hope this helps for anyone who was confused! I know it's been a long time since those earlier installments were posted and a LOT has happened in the story since then. As I mentioned in the ao3 notes, we're going to keep having glimpses of Ramsay until he gets involved in a case that Jay and Hailey are going to work and that's all going to be lead-up to a massive arc involving him and [redacted redacted REDACTED!] Lots to look forward too! 😂

Adding a new image of Bill Skarsgård who I have in mind as who would play Ramsay - just to help you picture him in your brain!

Let me know if you have any questions.

[kim-ruzek]

I’ve missed your thoughtrants on CPD! These writers need to embrace the power of “and.” I’m here for Burzek, although I realize, realistically, it can’t be about them all the time, but this Roy storyline could’ve, and should’ve, given attention to Hailey and Kim and their respective significant others. I think many people are more irritated about the lack of “and,” but it devolves into us/them infighting. #whumpyhasthoughts

YES EXACTLY they really do need to embrace the power of and, that is the perfect way to put it!!!

Like ofc burzek can't have the main focus. And it's like I'm actually kinda okay with that? Like I'm always gonna be grumpy about it because they seriously deserve better and more of a focus. But that's not what the show has decided to do so nothing I can do about that. I got a lot less annoyed when I remembered this, when I remembered that why I loved other seasons so much is bc I had the entire season to binge, instead of waiting weeks for crumbs.

But that's just one part of my annoyance. And the lack of "and" is the root of it. I mean I'd still be annoyed if Kim's trauma was separate from the main storyline but it isn't-- and it's like. The writers have decided to intrinsically link Kim's trauma to the main arc and then not even focus on her as well. Like she's just some no named victim rather than part of the main cast.

And yeah, I definitely think many people are irritated by this. I also think a lot of people can't really verbalise exactly why they feel so disappointed and angered, which is when it also turns into an us/them infighting situation. Especially I think when this arc goes around Kim's and Hailey's trauma. And both of them has very valid trauma. But with Hailey's being focused on a lot, and Hailey fans being greater and louder than Kim's, it just fuels the disjointed and disappointment. Bc Hailey's trauma is valid, I would never underplay it, but Kim's... As she said, she should be dead. And having to live with that? That's tough, yet we haven't got ANY glimpses. And like, confession here, I actually relate to this strongly because I should be dead. I should not be alive. But i am, and it's a hard thing to live with.

And I think it's just. I could come up with a few minor scenes here and there that would make this better (never perfect, but burzek just isn't the focus of the show so it never will be) and not detract from the saturated upstead focus. And it's that lack of using "and", especially when the minimum to use that "and" is just really not that much.

Plus we've been shown that cpd can have somewhat consistency between episodes bc of the minor consistencies we got with upstead. So that fuels the disappointment because we see the proof that they could do minor "and" scenes.

Also I'm just,,, bummed. Like when they were bigging up Kim's ptsd storyline I thought we'd actually get SOME focus. And honestly? I was hoping for more recovery scenes (minor! Not even major!) And also I got it into my head that we'll probably get Kim in therapy and I'm just so disappointed that wasn't the case.

Like there's so much they could've done, even in a very minor way, and they just... Haven't.

ANYWAY. I'm glad you've missed my thought rants bc as you can see... You're gonna get a lot of them 🤣 My time away as well I think has helped me compartmentalise so I can actually focus on my feelings without putting myself into a deep depression and want to quit. Although it hasn't improved my insecurities lol so I still feel like I should triple check and be careful how I'm wording things incase people hate me (it's irrational but I was beginning to feel like my mutuals hated me and it made me Spiral) but that I can deal with more I think.

And honestly? I just need to say all this. Not even just about burzek, but about sanctimonious jay and also about how they've literally sidelined Kevin in a storyline about reform and policing and not even allowing him to have a voice in the arc.

Anyway! I've really missed talking to you so if anything at least cpd is ensuring that we are talking by making there things to rant about! 🤣 ALSO!! I love love LOVE that you # this whumpy has thoughts!!!!! 💖💖💖