#if JLA fought as much and with the same level of the Avengers they would destroy the entire world themselves

[qcomicsy]

Oh wow I really need to hop up on this one.

Not only the Avengers are a team made by the government and it's most of the time regulated by the government, their dynamics couldn't be more different.

JLA is based on insane levels of trust, community and mutual respect, even on their worst fights you rarely see them crossing a line, or getting back at each other. Avengers on the other side had so many nasty fights that shook their team to the core, that there were times their interactions were just downright painful to see.

JLA prefer to draw a really hard line between their personal lives and hero lives, going as deep as protecting their secret identity no matter what and very rarely minding each other's business (with the exception of close relationships they developed with eachother outside the JLA). Each one has a city or a place to protect and it's absolutely unthinkable to dictate how the other should do things.

And it's really funny how some people complain about how JLA act just as coworkers, when it's literally the fact they're so strict in dealing with hero business as coworkers that makes the JLA work so well as an organization. A situation like the Civil War would be really fucking doubtful to happen with the JLA team, because their whole superhero community (and agenda) is built under a strict code of reliability and work, first, personal matters second. If someone, anyone isn't trustful enough to work as a hero despite his personal life they shouldn't be aloud to work with them case, point, period.

You really don't see JLA just jumping on and welcoming a mercenary, hitman (woman? person?) or a ex-villain as an actual member. They might team up with them, but to actually get an invite you would need much more credit, then a will to do better, on your behalf.

Avengers on the other hand, being much more government focused and skill focused, (when we're speaking of missions and membership) are much more open to receive any kind of help that might be useful at the moment. Which is good if you think about the second chances they gave to people who needed (literally half of their team and the others who just worked for a short period of time or in small missions), but it's also not that good because the trust between them has broken off much more often and the uh-oh hydra/betrayal moments are also much more common.

Avengers also have a problem of mixing their interpersonal relationships with their super hero career (specially because most of them don't have secret identity's and even so they're are actual participant's of eachother personal lives almost all the time). While, when yo think about it JLA is much more cold and unpersonal, a really "my personal life and solo career isn't of your concern" type of deal and like can you imagine an avenger saying that to each other?? Impossible. They would immediately square up in the moment, mow if an JLA member says that, the other (no matter how pissed off they might be) would just endure shrugging off and going "well yeah you're right".

They also are mostly centered on New York, only one city when JLA has much more broad concept (which help with the unpersonal thing).

Now what you said about genuine is really interesting though. Because with the Avengers this thought is complicated. The JLA was made with the desire of save people in a much broader aspect, as a team and with organization. Pretty much every JLA member (except idk Booster? And even him eventually changed his mind) hopped off with this mindset, a hero mindset.

But, again not every Avenger was born a hero. Most of them had very different upbringings from the JLA, and most of them (thanks to the Marvel militar propaganda) has militar background or similar that kinda prevented them to have a normal life in the first place. So if we actually had to think about "why" and if it's genuine, we had to go to each one individually.

Like maybe Black Widow didn't hop on because she wanted to be a hero and save the inoccent, but she did wanted to be different, to make a difference. Same thing with Deadpool when he worked with them for a while. Does that counts as being as much valuable as chosing from your heart and desire to be someone people can count with as a hero? Idk depends on the person really.

The thing is, that all things considered, when you stop to analyze their teams and the people on it the more you understand how different they are and how different they work. How Avengers is more like a work project that a teacher keeps assigning and reassigning to them and they have to go along with it and the JLA is much more a independent movement that works with it's on organization and rules. How the people on Marvel tends on trust the Avengers way less than people on DC trusts the JLA and the Government (kinda. It depends which run you're reading) trusts the Avengers way more than it trusts the JLA. How personal heroes like Spider Man and Daredevil avoid working with the Avengers or have their own team, while almost every DC hero is part of JLA. How Spies, Mercenaries, Ex-Villains are common (half) Avengers and if you mentioned that on a JLA meeting Batman himself would study you in a chamber. How hero's are kind a "new" thing in the Marvel universe but in the DC they have been around for centures.

One of my biggest pet peeves is the justice league being labelled as " The Avengers of DC" and its like. No? The avengers are law enforcement. The Justice League are volunteers

[themachofan]

Thor vs. Wonder Woman Death Battle Pre-Fight Analysis

With the upcoming fight on Screw Attack, I am throwing my personal analysis out there before the fight. So let’s get things underway.

Strength: When it comes to raw physical prowess both Thor and Wonder Woman stand among the strongest in their universes hero pantheons. When it comes to provable feats both have some exceptional and marvelous displays of strength.

            Wonder Woman: Described as strong as the earth itself due to her blessing for Gaea. Diana has helped to pull the Earth and even helped Superman lower Spectre, a being that is comprised from eternity. She has also done battle with other gods of Olympus and come out the victor. and is described as being stronger than Hercules.

            Thor: The son of Odin and the elder Goddess Gaea Thor is physically the mightiest god of Asgard. While in his younger days he lifted and threw a bomb comprised of cores of neutron stars. He has also lifted and overpowered Jörmungand the world serpent while he was trying to crush the earth, and was even strong enough to push the world engine which had inverted Yggdrasil the world tree.

While both combatants have enormous strength and are both technically listed as having strength levels listed as incalculable there are a few factors to take into account. Wonder Woman’s largest strength feats are shared with Superman who is known to physically stronger than her. While Thor has performed similarly impressive feats by himself. In his youth, he easily lifted, carried, and threw a bomb comprised of the core a neutron star which would have weighed roughly 8 times the weight of the Earth. Also, the pushing of the world engine to reverse to the orientation of the world tree could be considered tantamount to flipping the universe as Yggdrasil binds all the realms together. These feats alone are much larger than what we have seen from Wonder Woman. Strength goes to Thor.

Speed: Both combatants are not particularly known for their speed, both have shown the ability to move and fight at great speeds.

           Wonder Woman: Blessed by the god Hermes with super speed and flight Woman has displayed the abilities to keep up with The Flash at his cruising speed, though not at top speed. She has displayed the ability to travel at least half the speed of light and is also fast enough to keep up with speedsters like Jesse Quick. Also, Batman claims her reactions are faster than Superman.

           Thor: Fast enough to catch to track and catch Quicksilver and claimed to have fought others that are faster. Travels lightyears in “moments” and has been clocked at swinging his hammer at least twice the speed of light.

While not a lot of focus has never really been placed on the speed of these two fighters have shown feats of speed that are rather easily compared. Wonder Woman’s ability to keep up with The Flash at his cruising speed sounds impressive it really isn’t all that fast when compared to what Thor has done. The same can be said for her reaction time when compared to Superman. Her ability to react faster than Superman most likely stems from the fact that she was trained to fight her whole life while Superman, for all his natural strength, is not a warrior and does not have the same training. When it is taken into account Thor has gone through similar training for a much longer time his feats of speed far outstrip anything wonder woman has done. In Godbomb Thor travel lightyears in moments. While this is a rather vague statement it can be determined that based on the two definitions of a moment that Thor flies at speeds between 350,000 to 1.8 billion times the speed of light. A large range but given that there are multiple definitions of a moment. But both would be considered as faster anything Wonder Woman has ever displayed. Speed goes to Thor.

Durability: Unlike that two categories this section is pretty cut and dry. While both are very tough and have healing factors Thor has displayed a much higher level of resilience. While Wonder Woman has taken a lot of blunt force trauma she is still susceptible to bullets and relatively mundane forms of slashing damage. This is not an issue with Thor. Also while both have taken heavy hits from some of the strongest members of their universes Thor has shrugged of many more powerful blows than Wonder Woman had. Durability goes to Thor.

Battle Experience: Again another category that is pretty clear. Based on the ages of the characters and their particular backgrounds this is not a hard conclusion to come to. Thor is older than the human race and Wonder Women was born roughly around the age of Antiquity. While these two ages have varied from source to source these are generally the most often used. But age alone is not the main factor here, it’s how they were raised. While both were trained since childhood in combat Wonder Woman was isolated from most of the human world until WW1 while Thor spent his younger years traveling the realms fighting a multitude of different enemies. This means that Thor draws on a much deeper pool of experience than Wonder Woman in a fight. Experience goes to Thor. 

Equipment: Both heroes field impressive equipment and weapons. Both crafted for gods and made to be worthy of those who wield them. But again here there is another huge discrepancy between the two. While Wonder Woman has an indestructible lasso of truth, bracer (of various origin and material) which are also considered indestructible and when removed unlock her full strength, and sword sharp enough to cut at the atomic level. Thor however wields a weapon of cosmic power which can shatter planets like pebbles, make black holes quiver and channel Thor’s only godly energy to kill immortal beings. Mjolnir is also bound to Thor and will always return to his grasp and travel through planets, black holes, and even other dimensions to return to his grip. This alone givess Thor significant edge without his other equipment be accounted for such as his belt which doubles his godly strength. Equipment goes to Thor.

When the research is done and evidence accounted for the winner is clear. But there is another point that often comes up when this fight is discussed, a point that has the potential to change the outcome. Can Wonder Woman wield Mjolnir?

Many fans will point to Marvel vs DC and say the Wonder Woman was proven worthy. The problem is these crossover comics are considered 100% non-canonical and cannot and should not be used in the argument. We have seen characters such as Superman become temporarily worthy in the canonical JLA meets Avengers but once the final battle was over Odin reinstated the enchantments and he was once again unworthy. So what makes one worthy?

We have never been given concrete definition and only the vaguest terms of what is worthy. Most gods in Asgard are not worthy including Baldur and Tyr who gods known bravery and justice. Sif, a goddess who is very similar to Wonder Woman in characterization, is not worthy. 

The only way to know for certain if one is worthy, as stated by Thor in The Unworthy Thor, is to actually lift the hammer. He states that he is constantly worried the day will come that he will become unworthy as the definition of worthy can change and can change quickly. So for the sake of Screw Attack”s Death Battle Wonder Woman should not be able to lift Mjolnir, there is simply not enough evidence to warrant this happening.

But for the sake of argument let’s say Wonder Woman can take the hammer from Thor. Due to the hammer containing part of Thor’s lifeforce, he is considered the hammer’s true wielder so long as he is worthy and should be able to call it back to him and this has only ever been overcome by beings like Odin and Borr. On top of this even if he is unable to reclaim his hammer he has proven that he is more than capable of besting and indeed almost killing a fully powered Beta Ray Bill when he was unworthy and entered his warrior’s madness. It should be noted that Bill, before becoming worthy and having Stormbreaker, was close to a match for Thor. There is also the fact that Thor does not actually need his hammer for most of his powers as many believe. He is capable of flight, weather control and even preforming his godblast all without the use of his hammer.

When it is all said and done there is no logical reason Thor should lose this Death Battle.