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[little-eye-guy]

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[feathered-serpents]

like the terms are so weird and mean literally anything, i once heard in marvel fandom context the terms were anti tony and pro tony and in star wars the terms were used as simply ship wars but in the context that most people use it that ive heard its more like pro shipper = someone who ships ped0 and or !ncest and anti is someone who like,, thinks you know

EDIT: forgot to add in this other ask 

Yeah so like. My stance on shipping and fanfiction is very, very much "don't like don't read" I think that ultimately banning gross things doesn't prevent those gross things it just makes it so they aren't tagged appropriately and then no one wins. Basically, I'm very very chill when it comes to fanwork but obviously, I have my limits, the stuff you listed as well as RPF, non-con, underage etc. are all very hard "nos" for me but even then, my course of action is to block the person posting it and move on like. What else are you gonna do

But even having that stance, which I thought was the "pro-ship" stance at one point could get me labeled an "anti" by some of these people because I do not actively defend its existence cause "pro-shippers" don't get to "pick and choose" what they defend which is. Fucking wild

This is only tangentially related but I wanna talk about my experience with these terms because dear god (read more cause it got long) (warning: I discuss the BNHA fandom)

Hilariously, I considered myself a "pro-shipper" because I shipped Kacchako when I was in the BNHA fandom back in 2017-2018 which if you don't know what that is, is shipping the lead's love interest, Ochako Uraraka, with his rival instead of him, Katsuki Bakugou. It was and honestly still is a very cute ship in my eyes and I loved it mostly cause it would mean Uraraka would move on from Deku which signaled she would get any character development at all but that's not the rant we're going on today

Basically "antis" in this fandom didn't like this ship because they preferred Bakugou to be shipped with his best friend Kirishima (Kiribaku) a ship I also liked (I shipped p much everything when I was in that fandom) however they wouldn't just say "Oh, I don't like that ship, I prefer this one" no why would that happen. They would go on huge harassment campaigns against anyone who liked Kacchako claiming it was abusive mostly, I think there were other arguments but that was the main one, you also saw "homophobic" thrown around because of course

They’d also point at how these two characters only had like two interactions in canon and yeah that one's just true. I can't justify that one. This was all just us making up a dynamic that straight up didn't exist, and that was honestly the appeal

Anyways, things came to a head when I saw someone post a literal Kacchako hate pride flag in the ship's tag. Like, a pride flag for hating a ship, the stripes had meaning and everything, which I found to be very disrespectful and just...stupid. So after that, I decided that "antis" sucked, and since I wasn't an "anti" I was a "pro-shipper" ...listen I was 19 at this time and going through some stuff. (I also organized a Kacchako fandom event in my spite! I used to be the kind of person who organizes fandom events, horrifying)

And this did happen! This all was very real stuff! I remember one of these dudes "infiltrating a Kacchako server" (actually how it was phrased) lying about their age to gain access to the NSFW channel, and then doxxing everyone in it by posting their discord information into the world. Like. This shit got REAL. (I happened to not be in that server so this didn't affect me, even so, fucked up)

However, I would learn via my brief stint on exclusively twitter while I was pretending to flee Tumblr after the Nipple Ban in 2018 that "pro-shippers" weren't much better in terms of harassment, and would just pick fights with these "antis" for basically no reason?? They doxxed people too, they sent death threats too. But the antis would do the exact same thing and it was just this never-ending game of both of them actively seeking out content they claimed to hate just to get mad at OP over it. Both claiming to be against harassment while harassing pretty much everyone. It was then I also learned that pro-shipping included the gross stuff like inc*st and p*dophilia ships and I did not want to be part of a group that would endorse that. I distanced myself from "pro-shippers" and the BNHA fandom in general and floated around until I dug myself a niche in the podcast space. The TMA fandom isn't perfect but it is waayyyy nicer than that whole thing

But I still, overall, keep that "don't like don't read" mentality that would label me a "pro-shipper" by the "antis" but since that mentality has limits, label me an "anti" by the "pro-shippers" I exist in limbo. I just pay taxes. Idk man, it's the wildest shit

[forestwater87]

yo got any tips on how to get my gwenvid fic out there?

Ah, this is tricky, and I gotta be honest I think I only lucked out because I wrote the first real Gwenvid fic out there and no one had any other options. But since “go back in time” isn’t really plausible, I can offer some things that I think might be helpful:

1. Make sure you’re tagging them correctly! On both Tumblr and AO3, it’s really useful to make sure you’re using the most-viewed and/or official tags for your content. For example, “campcamp” is the official CC tag, and as far as I can tell “cc david” is more successful and widespread than “david cc” … but that might not be as important as I think it is. But definitely be smart with your tags, especially those first 5, since according to Tumblr Lore those are the ones that … do something something algorithm idk. As for AO3 tags, I’m not really sure how they work, like if the site lumps “Gwen/David” in with “Gwen (Camp Camp)/David (Camp Camp)” – ah, what we had to use when the fandom was still so young and tiny – but I’d err on the side of over-tagging, personally. As long as you’re not one of those people with 30,000 tags it takes ages to scroll past, why not?

2. Reblog a lot! I always feel really really self-conscious resharing my own stuff, but it works! It introduces the work to a new crop of readers and makes a big difference.

3. Use your friends! Use people you barely know! Seriously, if I didn’t have @ciphernetics and @hopefullypessimistic84​ aggressively stanning my work I don’t think anyone would read it. XD And I’m always happy to give someone a shout-out, as long as it’s not something that makes me uncomfortable.

4. Get involved in the fandom! This is a more general thing, but answering asks, doing memes, participating in appreciation weeks, and just generally filling up the tag with content is not only super fun, because we suck up CC and especially Gwenvid content like we’re starving in the desert, but it also helps to get your name out there and get people interested in your stuff. I know I’m considered “the Gwenvid person” by a lot of people who’ve never read my fics and don’t even know I have fics, because I just have so goddamn many screenshots to fling in every direction and ramble about my love of the ship. You can also use that involvement to plug your writing, like the many wonderful fanfics I’ve written that you can check out if you like my other stuff!

5. Credit people! This sounds weird, and may have a tiny bit to do with the fact that I’m salty about this issue, but if you use someone’s AU or headcanon, or even if they just got you inspired by enjoying their work? Tag them! Not only will they be happy that you liked their ideas and are acknowledging their contribution, but it gets them to pay attention to your fic. And hey, if someone inspired you so much you used their ideas, it feels amazing to have them pay attention. (This is also how you make friends in the fandom. Seriously.)

I’m also gonna give a few more types of advice, ranging from making an awesome fanfic to attention-getting. But since the world is kinda unfair, entertainment is very unfair, and fandom is an impossible beast, I also wanna give you some thoughts that I’ve developed over the course of being in this fandom. Under the cut since it’s only tangentially related …

I’m starting with what I personally think makes a fic worth reading. It might not guarantee kudos, but it might be worth thinking about:

1. Get a beta reader. Honestly, having someone comb through your work for things like consistency, characterization, and grammar is hugely important. There are a ton of great fics that suffer for not having someone run their eyes over it, and the fandom is one big happy family; you could throw a rock in any direction and find someone who’d be happy to help you out.

2. Figure out what makes your story worth reading, and emphasize it. This is gonna sound kinda dumb, but I swear half the stuff on AO3 is the same fucking “David adopts Max and may or may not be a serial killer” fic. I realize this is kinda petty of me, but I do think it’s a good idea to know what about your fic is special and worthwhile, because that’s going to be what makes people enjoy and recommend it. (This doesn’t mean don’t use popular tropes or plots, but just to be aware of what you’re bringing to the table, what cool twist or je ne sais quois it is that made you wanna write it. It’s also a great way to prop yourself up when you’re getting down on your work, because it reminds you that you’re doing something original and special.)

3. Consider short chapters (3,000 words or less) and a regular updating schedule. I don’t do this. It’s a problem. But seriously, people enjoy bite-sized content, and regularly adding to it keeps your work at the top of the tags/queue while also keeping the people who like your fic from forgetting about it.

4. Use small paragraphs. No one wants to read a giant block of text, and I know more than once I’ve clicked away after seeing the entire chapter was one big paragraph. Again, bite-sized. Getting people to read a fic is difficult, because it’s asking for an investment of time and mental energy they could be spending on something else. So do what you can to make reading as easy and enjoyable as possible for them.

5. Be mindful of standard grammar. I’m not trying to impose my Western-centric ideals on other people, because there are a lot of valid ways to talk/write and using “proper” grammar doesn’t mean you’re more intelligent by any means; I’m also not trying to discourage the creative and poetic use of nonstandard grammar (lord knows I abuse my artistic license to mess with grammar all the time). But in the name of making things a bit easier to read – especially, as I understand, for ESL readers – adhering to generally-accepted rules of “good” grammar is worth considering.

Unfortunately, your story still might not get the attention it deserves, and I’d like to start by saying I’m very very sorry about that. (I went from the only Gwenvid writer to being, like, that former high school football player who reminisces about the good old days before all these talented whippersnappers came around to upstage me; I’m just saying that I know how much it hurts to feel like your work isn’t being appreciated, whether you think you deserve the appreciation or not.) It sucks, and it hurts, and I’m sorry. I wish more people saw your stuff. 

But some thoughts about dealing with those feelings as well:

1. Get a cheerleader. This is another super useful thing about having a beta, btw. Sometimes you’re going to feel like crap, and you’re going to need someone to prop up your ego and tell you that they think you’re amazing and that they believe in your story. Get as many of these as you need and feel comfortable leaning on them when you’re feeling down.

2. Beg. I make posts begging for compliments on like a twice-a-month basis. It’s kinda pathetic, but it really really helps, so if you have followers, there’s no shame in asking them to say nice things when your self-esteem has taken a beating.

3. Know that attention =/= quality. Like, okay, there are some incredible fics that are rightfully getting their due (fucking Netics and Mouse, talented bitches). But legit, the second-most-kudos’d fic on AO3 is also one of the worst ones I’ve ever run my poor undeserving eyes over, and only the fact that this is under a cut and unlikely to be read by many people is giving me the pettiness to say that. My longest fic, the one I’ve poured the most of myself into, has fewer kudos than a masterpiece called “Camp Campbell’s Cum Dumpster.” I wrote an entire post enumerating just a handful of CC fics I think deserve more attention, and if being well-known and -loved correlated with talent, they’d all be topping the leaderboards in my worthless opinion. But seriously, sometimes your stuff won’t be appreciated. Maybe it doesn’t have enough fluff, or enough angst. Maybe it doesn’t have enough dad//vid. Maybe it’s the fact that nothing will ever grab positive attention like dan//vid and there’s nothing we can do about it. Fans are picky and tricky, and sometimes trying to figure out why something becomes blisteringly popular while something else doesn’t is impossible, but it doesn’t mean your writing isn’t amazing. Believe in the story you’re telling, and that it’s worth telling.

4. Don’t compare yourself to other writers. I feel compelled to put this one on here because it’s good advice, but ahahahahahahahaha I’ve never done this and I’m pretty sure I never will.

5. Don’t be so hard on yourself. Your writing is worth reading, and some things are out of your control, so just cut yourself some slack. Ahahahahahahahahaha fucking I’m such a piece of shit I don’t think I could do this if there was a gun to my head