#i'd feel sorry for him but he clearly thrives on the drama and every chance he's given to be super extra about it all
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kitkatt0430 ¡ 2 years ago
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okay, so... the Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters timeline of events is really poorly conveyed. We have a lot of potentially world ending events that occur in relatively short periods of time, but then how much time occurs between them is... could be days, could be months, could be years... except it can't be years because the main characters are still in high school and aren't even contemplating graduation until the movie where Seto violates the laws of reality at the end just so he can visit the afterlife and finally get that duel monsters rematch with Atem he's been craving. (Seto Kaiba is so extra and I like that about him so much.)
I'm pretty sure in the final season when Marik, Ishizu, and Odion talk about it being years since they last saw everyone is just because in real world time it had been well over a year (almost two) since the Battle City arc finally came to an end when the Memory World arc began airing. But in-universe time, it definitely couldn't have been much over a year.
At the start of the show, Yugi and his friends are sixteen years old. (At least, so says the wiki? About Joey and Tea, anyway, but they're all in the same grade so they're all approximately the same age.) In the US - since I'm dealing with the dub here specifically and the only time the dub seems to remember that Domino City isn't in the US is during the Waking the Dragons/Orichalcos arc - that puts them in either their sophomore or junior year of high school. (10th or 11th grade, for those unfamiliar with how US high schools steal that particular terminology from college students.)
Now, we know that Yugi's first duel with Kaiba had to happen during the school year because Seto's 'rare card???? is it THAT rare card???' hilarious eavesdropping moment happened in class. One of the only times we see him attending school during the show that I can think of, much to my amusement.
We also know that post Duelist Kingdom, they go back to school since they encounter Duke first in school, being an obnoxious flirt and blaming Yugi for all his problems. That boy is so lucky Tea didn't feed him his own favorite dice set.
So Duelist Kingdom itself could have occurred during the summer between their sophomore and junior years. Which, since they didn't seem to concerned about getting back in time for classes on Monday or anything like that, I tend to believe it did. Though it could have also conceivably taken place over a weekend at the start of their junior year but, given that I'm a software engineer with a reasonable understanding of what the hardware development process for the duel disks was probably like... well, let's stick that on hold a min.
Battle City took place in such a short period of time - one day for the prelim matches so that eight people could get six locator cards in time, then flying & dueling all night to arrive at Kaiba Corp Island, then dueling the next morning to complete the tournament before flying back to Domino City. Even with Noa hijacking things, they were only delayed a few hours. So the whole thing could have easily taken place over a single weekend with no worries - since Seto is still in High School himself, this is the sort of attention to detail I'd expect of him.
As mentioned above, it also had to be enough dev time between Duelist Kingdom and Battle City for the Duel Disks to arrive at their new incarnation, the arm hugger that shoots off two holo projectors apiece, allowing two or more duelists to create a dueling field together but doesn't constantly take the cards in play away from the duelists - which was clearly a design flaw of the original spinny-circle version that needed time, and likely rewriting the software to work for the new hardware design, to correct and thoroughly debug and beta test. (Another design flaw is that the spinny-circle version depended on a cable capable of taking constant flinging around without detaching and smacking someone in the face; the design seen in Battle City forward does away with that flaw too, as it instead uses wirelessly controlled holo projectors that recall to the disk at the end of the duel.)
So it makes sense that Duelist Kingdom was sometime in the summer, it took Pegasus a few weeks to a couple of months to recover from the trauma of losing a shadow laser duel that ended with his fake eye being yoinked out of its socket none too politely, which accounts for Duke still being freaked out after the summer ended and Pegasus was still incommunicado. And gives a good time frame for Kaiba to get the duel disks into a functional and marketable product by the time Ishizu shows up to manipulate him into setting a trap for her in the form of a duel monsters tournament.
Battle City also most likely takes place during the school year because, well... Yugi's first encounter with one of Marik's brainwashed minions - Bandit Keith - occurred on the way to school.
I'd place it either mid-fall (I say fall, not autumn, because where I live very few trees turn pretty colors this time of year; the leaves just turn brown and fall) or early spring. Fall seems like the most likely contender because Atem apparently avoids going back to the museum long enough for Mai to attend possibly several tournaments and have her PTSD from what Marik did to her and her jealousy of Yugi and Joey get turned into such a toxic, festering self hatred that she was easy pickings for the Orichalcos cult.
And either that happened days after the tournament (meaning Battle City???) based on what Weevil & Rex tell Duke when they first meet him claiming to be Yugi's friends. (Duke clearly knew they were being suspicious, but he also knows the weird shit his weirdo friends get into so he might as well figure out what's going on.) But since Mai had to have been in at least one tournament since then - more likely several - it had to have been anywhere from a few weeks to a few months.
Also, Atem was totally procrastinating and running out of time investigating the Ancient Tablet of the Pharaoh at the museum. Which never ceases to amuse me. Especially since he procrastinates again after the Orichalcos arc for that much needed down time at the Kaiba Corp Grand Championship that the tablets are gone by the time he tries for a second time.
So if the tablets were put on display in time for the Winter holidays, it makes sense that their run at the museum would only last a few months and be over either at the start of, or the middle of, summer. Hence placing Battle City in the fall. This also gives the Kaibas plenty of time to build their first theme park in between Battle City and their next tournament to be hijacked by someone else's family drama.
Now the Orichalcos arc happens next and they spend a great deal of time out of the country and even take a week long vacation with Rebecca and her grandfather. Clearly no one is worried about school and Duke was already abroad anyway when the whole thing started - likely promoting his Duel Dice Monsters game. So I'm calling it - Summer vacation time. So now we're at the in-between time for their Junior and Senior years of high school.
The Grand Prix/Grand Championship tournament picks up pretty much immediately after the Orichalcos arc, so it has to be in the summer too. And, arguably, the capsule monster arc can be squeezed into the summer too. (Admittedly, not the arc I care about the most and I still need to find it on Amazon since the place I was doing my rewatch didn't include the capsule monster episodes and no doubt made more sense for omitting it, but I love these characters I'm gonna watch it. Eventually.)
But then summer is over and tablets are gone and who knows how long the stuff the Pharaoh needs to do with the tablet are gonna take. So my guess? They head to Egypt during their winter school break of their Senior year. Which if Battle City took place in fall of their Junior year, means that it's been just a little over a year since the Ishtars made their family drama everybody's business. So all that 'we haven't seen you in years' stuff has to be dramatic exaggeration because it was just a year ago. Can't blame the Ishtar siblings wanting to pretend their drama was over a long time ago, though.
Which puts the... was it the second movie? I know there was at least one before it... hmm, looks like it was the third actually. Unless you count the movie that was really just a recap of the Yu-Gi-Oh season 0 series. But I digress; that puts the Dark Side of Dimensions movie near the end of their senior year as they're all contemplating what they'll be doing as graduation approaches. (I've seen the trailer and a recap description, but I admit I've yet to watch this one.)
All of which means that Yugi wears his school uniform during summer and winter break, that nerd. :D
(If I include the other two movies, then the Pyramid of Light probably does take place early spring of their junior year since it's a short while after Battle City but long enough for Seto's hyperfixation on the God Cards to have gotten out of hand. And I don't know when Bonds Beyond Time takes place because it's time travel and I haven't seen the spin offs, which is probably why i never watched this one - despite loving time travel nonsense - though I do now vaguely recall hearing about it. I never watched the Dark Side of Dimensions movie because I didn't know it existed until two weeks ago, but I will be watching it soon because it's got the OG cast and the plot sounds like my favorite kind of over the top ridiculousness.)
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badapricot ¡ 4 years ago
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If you don't mind, I'd like to respond back to your review of 1000 stars to the specific bullets you provided:
2. My reasoning for when Phupha told Tian to go back is that this is a man in his 30s while Tian, so I've heard, is supposed to be 21 or so, that's a whole ass (almost) decade in between them. Which makes me believe Phupha's whole hesitancy and what you describe as "slow" is that he is thinking that Tian is doing all of this out of infatuation instead of thinking rationally. He does not want to be the reason Tian didn't finish school, if in any case, they break up or he no longer wants to stay in PPD anymore. He feels like by making him stay it'll prevent Tian from achieving his true potential. Especially since he has $$$ and all of his opportunities are so readily available and if not, his money makes it so that it is (I mean that's how he got his heart in the first place). I feel like as the older adult, Phupha feels like he needs to put a limit to Tian's impulsivity (and we all know he's the embodiment of it). He's making decisions based on logic whereas Tian is making his decisions based on emotion (which ngl, makes sense since he felt empty and apathetic before he got a second chance to live). Phupha probably doesn't even feel like its  love, just very strong attraction, so to have a young person be so willing to give up his education, something very valuable, out of infatuation for someone he met less than half a year ago doesn't sit right with him.
3. I do agree with you that their relationship (or whatever it is since they haven't really defined it) needing to end was melodramatic since, like you said, if you really want it you'll find a way to make it happen. I feel like it all comes down to Phupha not pursuing Tian bc he feels he can't provide him with what he's used to or what he thinks he needs.
6. I won't excuse the hurtful and cruel things phupha said to Tian but he was /grieving/ and the fact that Tian said it plain and clearly "I killed Torfun" in front of the /whole/ village is not going to make anyone want to sit down and try to analyze it and find evidence. This is someone who was perhaps like a blood sister to him (which quite frankly, I wish they would have elaborated more of their relationship, but alas. I think people in the fandom are quick to point fingers at Phupha bc the show didn't really /show/ that he really cared for her). If somebody admitted that about a family member you /loved/ who was run over/murdered/killed and didn't receive justice I think anyone would react the same way. We, as the audience, are aware of the events that transpired that night. Phupha does not. All he knows is Torfun was run over by someone, didn't receive justice for it, told Rang and Yod at the funeral he would never forgive the person who did this, months later after loving/liking/falling for Tian finds out through a third party that Tian received a heart transplant the same night she died, has her heart, walks in on Tian telling the village /he/ killed her and that's about it. He doesn't have the details to the gaps in between. On another note, I, too, don't like that he was cruel to him to "protect" him and in a way shows he's not quite ready to be in a relationship or at least shows his inexperience with relationships considering you can't lie to your partner every time you want to protect them if you want a relationship to thrive and be healthy. If it involves Tian then he has a right to know and to solve it together not one making decisions for the other. That part was not correct and I don't like that Phupha made him suffer for no reason, but the first part was out of genuine pain and grief so, for me, I can't blame him for it.
7. Again, They keep going in circles simply because Phupha feels like he could never amount to or provide what Tian is used to which is luxury and stability so he doesn't pursue or beats around the bush because he feels Tian can have someone who's his age and would probably have the same interests and life experiences and is still young enough and just starting life to give/provide him those things while he feels he's already done everything he could do with his life and is content with it.
I think the main issue is the fact that their relationship never progressed. It was all just them staring longingly at each other only for it to be quickly resolved at the end half heartedly. It kinda feels like the 2gether shit where they never really went through the show as an established couple without the drama immediately following (-_-) I wish they had focused more on their established relationship instead of everything else.
Sorry it took me awhile to get to this because of the length of the response.
2. I agree that Phupha is coming at Tian from a paternalistic place because of their age and power difference. Phupha feels responsible for Tian and doesn’t want him to throw away his degree for a relationship with Phupha. That was clear on-screen. But Tian doesn’t have to throw away his degree to be with him and that’s where my confusion and disbelief comes from. Phones and monthly visits don’t exist in the 1000 Stars universe? In real life, people have long-distance relationships for less.
6. I don’t blame Phupha for his reaction after Torfun’s death. It was him continuing to hurt Tian to “protect” him that made me go “Uh-oh is this a pattern?” because it was totally unnecessary. Like you said, it shows how immature he is. He can’t just be cruel to Tian every time he wants him to back off.
7. I was not talking about their relationship going in circles because of Phupha’s worry that he’s stealing Tian’s life. I meant narratively in Episode 9 they went from a heartfelt conversation outside, to slinging insults at each other as soon as Tian saw Phupha talking to his Dad. They’ll stare lovingly into each other’s eyes, and then they’ll fight like cats and dogs, rinse and repeat.
I think the main issue is the fact that their relationship never progressed. It was all just them staring longingly at each other only for it to be quickly resolved at the end half heartedly. It kinda feels like the 2gether shit where they never really went through the show as an established couple without the drama immediately following (-_-) I wish they had focused more on their established relationship instead of everything else.
We completely agree on this. But at least in 2gether they got together before the last episode. At this rate, Tian and Phupha will only get together in a 2 year flash forward and it will be the last 10 minutes of the last episode, when their relationship should have been given more priority and earlier on.
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