#i love tuney too and think she's more complex and understandable in many ways

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Is that anon getting Lily confused with Petunia lmao? (no offense to Petunia, I love deeply flawed characters, but she's notoriously shallow, a social climber, judgy, etc.) Anyways, if Lily was a social climber, why would she have stayed friends with Snape for so long? That likely only hurt her social standing. As for judgemental, she was a teenager, most teens are judgemental and most grow out of it, that doesn't make them terrible people. she also wasn't even that judgy!

Lmao very possibly. Even Snape strikes me as more of a social climber than Lily personally, because of his friendships with Mulciber and Avery and his joining the Death Eaters. Anyway I just think it's the anon's belief that women are judgy, shallow, materialistic, opportunistic gold digging harpies, which makes them leap to unreasonable conclusions. Many such cases.

Also yeah, I find her righteous/judgmental streak pretty endearing and realistic honestly haha, and quite understandable. Harry and Hermione both have a similar thing and I find that endearing too. And, as you say, in Lily this not even that bad to begin with, especially when tempered with her obvious kindness. Like I think people like anon have a complete inability to put themselves in Lily's position and instead over-identify with Snape. They show him empathy and understanding but afford Lily none of the same. I totally understand why one might identify with Snape in many ways but not to the point of being unreasonable and misogynistic.

It's as if the expectation on Lily is for her to be some sort of flawless angelic being who is perfectly compassionate and understanding towards Snape in all things, to the point of unrealistic altruism and disregard for herself. But then people also complain about her being 'too perfect and flawless.'

Make it make sense lmao (misogyny makes it make sense)