#i keep seeing people referencing 15 year old freshmen and i'm so???

[thattimdrakeguy]

But if Tim was still 13, I'll have a Yikes! Hard Lemonade. I mean, we know this is Dixon's "thing" (see also retconning DickBabs to go back to when Dick first became Robin), but still, yikes! #WhyAreComicBookWritersLikeThis

Yeah, no, it's one of the reasons why I think Tim and Steph dating is really gross, beyond the way Steph keeps flirting with Tim when he isn't comfortable with it. Like it would mean they had Steph start making suggestive towards a kid that was still a Freshmen (even though logically he’d still be 13-years-old, because he was introduced in 1989 at 13, and wasn’t 15-years-old ‘til 1998 at least, because when Y.J. was in it’s first so many issues, he was said to only be ALMOST 15-years-old. So like, logically speaking, by their own logic, and Tim not being 16 ‘til 5 years later. He’d been 13-years-old. Tim’s age has never mattered when it comes to when so much time passes in the story themselves. It’s like a semi-floating timeline, basically.) when they met, while she was learning to get a Driver's License.

It is the epitome of the idea that if you switch the genders you really realize how gross it is. No one would let a boy be in Steph's position, and a girl in Tim's position fly, going through the writing they had.

Supposedly they retconned Steph to be 15-years-old later, but what I was shared seems more like Steph's mom referencing something about herself when she was 15-years-old, not really talking about Steph--So I'm not sure that's meant to be an actual retcon. And even if it was--the way Dixon talked about it, he never mentions there being a retcon. 'Cause he was asked if Steph was meant to be older and was deaged later, and he just said 'Oh I made her to be sixteen. Some artists just can't draw old enough, and others can't draw young enough'. So regardless I don't think he was personally aware even if he was writing it, because otherwise he would've said something given the question was directly asking if that was the case.

Like I enjoy Steph as a side-character. She opens up a lot of interesting dynamics, and before they had them date, I think really allowed some interesting stories to happen. I don't need morally correct characters all the time. The real world has people just like her.

But when they start pushing her as a love interest, and suddenly changing Tim's reaction to her from protective, but not exactly enjoying her presence, and even getting ticked off at her, to being "Oh I love being around her"--it's really gross to me. I don't think it should've happened. It was very forced, and for the sake of something that shouldn't have been.

I very much really do not like the ship.

And like--wasn't Dick in Middle School or High School, while Babs was running for congress originally? And later on they retconned them to be closer in age? Like after a reboot--but still, that still meant someone saw that age difference, and didn't care.

Obviously it doesn't bug everyone, but I think when the characters are so young, that it's gross. And changing the age doesn't matter, because that still meant he shipped these characters even when, in the case of Dick and Babs, there was a big age difference.

It is, definitely, not for me.

But I think most people ship them from other writers, that didn’t really care to read too much about it. ‘Cause I’d have to hope that no ones shipping them because “All right, sexually harassing a character two to three years younger than her. Awesome.”

So I wouldn’t call many people that ship them to be gross, just because of that.

It’s just a weird freaking comic book thing, spawned from a very odd man.

[thesoundasitfell]

maiyuma replied to your post:That flashback to bb Jude in season 1 just...

it’s been like 2 years what are u talking about??? Mariana had her quinsinera (15y) in season 1 and she’s a junior now??? Brandon is going to collage he was , what, 16 in the beginning?

That’s one year though??? 15 = sophomore year, and now the twins are 16 and juniors. Brandon and Callie were 16 and (presumably) juniors, and now they’re 17 and seniors. That part of the timeline actually checks out.

In the episode where Brandon and Cort have a house party and Stef goes to spy on them, they mention that it’s Stef and Lena’s first anniversary. They got married in season 1. They’re stretching it out as long as they can to keep the kids in high school so the family as a unit can remain the center of the show. It gets harder as the kids age and go off to college because they start having their own lives and heading off in different directions.