#i haven't rewatched much of ii so i don't have/don't know anything else that could be extracted from ii

[wheucto]

with that new revelation in ii2 e16, i feel like there's... a lot less to know about the world of ii. at least, not to know for sure.

because, before then, you could extract some information from passing comments. remember the french or whatever pizza delivery guy who tried to pass as italian, but spoke spanish instead? from that, you could determine that 1. france, spain, and italy are places that exist and 2. if those countries exist, why not all the countries in the world?

but. but, according to what cobs said at least, mephone4 seems to have made everything. he made the weird looking grass. if he made that, then why not anything else? did that guy exist before he came onto the show? probably not! and if he was made that day, was the concept of "france," "spain," and "italy" made that day too?

there's no way for us to know what the normal world of ii looks like. do they have parallel countries to us? well, we know their continents aren't parallel. it follows that their countries wouldn't be, either. who knows what their history is like? how the normal objects are like? will we know?

[battlestar-royco]

In response to you last answer:

I can agree that Gale may not have been romantically compatible with Katniss. Reason why, though, disagree. If anything Peeta showed signs of possessiveness from the start, i.e. becoming jealous when Katniss revealed that her and Gale were, in fact, not related. (This was when they had only known each other for maybe a few days, max). Not to mention that he completely ignored her for several months after Katniss told him that she did not actually return his romantic feelings after the first games. Gale, on the other hand, actually have her much needed space after she returned and did not press her in that way.

Something else I find interesting is that you bring up Beetee and Johanna as points on a spectrum very much separate and distanced from Gale, when Beetee literally created the idea for the bomb with Gale (readers say that he (and Coun for that matter) even took advantage of a young teen soldier with a desperate need to win the revolution after experience so much injustice). Johanna I find to be even more radical than Gale, having blindly wanting revenge in its purest form (which find to be reasonable as well, personally) whereas Gale fought for justice for his people.

Katniss I really do find to be representative of centrist ideologies found in the USA (which are actually more conservative leaning than the rest of the world.)

But I’d like to know what you make of that.

Re: your first paragraph. I truly have no idea how you arrived to this conclusion and I honestly don't see a point in us discussing it beyond acknowledging that we're completely different readers. My reading of these two characters is the literal exact opposite, and I have a feeling that anything I could say to explain my opinion you've probably heard before and disagree with.

Re: second. Rewatched Mockingjay II since you sent this to refresh my memory on the details. I can see where you're coming from with Beetee. I was more thinking of the fact that he made them wmds for fighting the Capitol. As for Johanna (at least in the movie; haven't read the book in a few years), she encouraged Katniss to kill Snow specifically whereas Gale's tactics canonically targeted first responders etc.

And yes, I can see why Gale fans see this as vilifying violent resistance. Collins didn't have to add this, or she could have written something less extreme than Gale being okay with killing random kids to win. But (and as mentioned earlier, we're not going to agree on this based on your read of him) I still find it in keeping with his short-term oriented and self-centered characterization previously established in THG/CF. And I do consider trying to be a generally good person part of a leftist praxis. So for me it becomes more of a "Gale was a bad character because of how he functions as Peeta's foil from start to finish" than a "It was wrong of Collins/OOC for Gale's tactics to specifically blow up the children at the end" issue. The latter is what I see people argue most often, and the former doesn't cancel out the total merit of Peeta as a character for me personally.

And in all honestly I've always found the treatment of Coin to be way more bothersome than what happened to Gale. The false equivalency of District 13 to Snow's regime has never worked for me, and her suggestion of the Capitol Hunger Games always seems to come out of nowhere no matter how many times I return to the books/movies.