#i haven't rewatched much of ii so i don't have/don't know anything else that could be extracted from ii

[wheucto]

with that new revelation in ii2 e16, i feel like there's... a lot less to know about the world of ii. at least, not to know for sure.

because, before then, you could extract some information from passing comments. remember the french or whatever pizza delivery guy who tried to pass as italian, but spoke spanish instead? from that, you could determine that 1. france, spain, and italy are places that exist and 2. if those countries exist, why not all the countries in the world?

but. but, according to what cobs said at least, mephone4 seems to have made everything. he made the weird looking grass. if he made that, then why not anything else? did that guy exist before he came onto the show? probably not! and if he was made that day, was the concept of "france," "spain," and "italy" made that day too?

there's no way for us to know what the normal world of ii looks like. do they have parallel countries to us? well, we know their continents aren't parallel. it follows that their countries wouldn't be, either. who knows what their history is like? how the normal objects are like? will we know?

[tex-now]

Tier list/ ranking under the cut!! This is all for fun and if u disagree w me that's fine I just like makin tier lists :3

Also there are spoilers for all of ii so if you haven't finished it... Don't look

#43: Steve Cobs

I hope this surprises no one. I hate this abusive murderous piece of shit and Im so glad he dies.

If I have one positive thing to say about him it's that I love to hate him! He's interesting and can be funny and a very enjoyable character and antagonist who makes you want to root for his downfall. And for the protagonists' victory!!

#42: Blueberry

I can't stand this little shit. Okay well that's not I just don't like him. He's annoying and I groan whenever he's on screen. He's extremely boring to me and I did not like any of the times he was on screen.

I have nothing positive to say about him sorrz

#41: Marshmallow

I haven't watched season 1 in a while so I'm definitely forgetting a lot (I liked her more back then I think) but I dont like this girl. Like at all. I don't like her personality nor do I like the way she treats certain characters.

One positive thing about her is that she can be really funny and that she ABSOLUTELY deserves to be a bitch to knife. When I say "certain characters" I don't mean him LOL. And she also has a really nice voice!

#40: Trophy

I hate this guy he sucks. He treated knife like shit and he also hasn't been given enough time to develop at all and all the moments with him in it have been him being an asshole. He's just a dick man not much else to it

I have no positives about him other than that I think him and blueberry would make a really cute couple.

#39: Salt

Salt is a bitch that's whos she's supposed to be it's simple as that. She's unlikable and spoiled and bitchy because that's who she's supposed to be and it makes me think about how she could break past her coding and develop into her own person, but since that's not canon I'm not going to take her out of D tier.

One positive I have is that i think her possible character arc could be really interesting and do a lot for her character. Also her moment in ii18 was so fucking funny I cant

#38: Pepper

Basically the same as salt except she's not as bitchy and you know actually has manners. She's still a bitch though so I can't put her higher than this

Positives are same as salt (even now she can't escape her shadow...)

#37: Dough

He's boring and annoying. No further comments

No positives either

#36: Pickle

I remember nothing about him. Like at all. Which is why he's so low. The scene with Knife in season 2 was really cute!! But that's it.

#35: Silver Spoon

This BITCH should be glad he's not in F tier anymore. He has an interesting character, and he's extremely funny and his patheticness is amusing. But he's a DICKWAD!!! AND I HATE HIM WITH A RIGHTEOUS PASSION but also not.... I feel very strongly about the guy and I like dissecting his character and talking shit about him but his redemption was unfortunately very good and he's a *gag* an endearing character once you get to know him.

Positive: he's so fucking pathetic it's hilarious and his character development is interesting!! I do still kinda hate him but I LOVEEEEEE hating him. I hate him so much I kinda like him. Which is why he's in C!! Very fun character

#34: Cheesy

Cheesy's fine. Uh. His knee slap gag was honestly really funny and his short with pickle and tissues was cute! He didn't last very long so yk I just have little thoughts on the matter

#33: Lifering

Life ring is just a chill guy!! I like him, he's funny, but he just wasn't on the show long enough and I wasn't wowed by his personality or anything. But he's just fine! Like I said before, he's super funny!! If he hadn't gotten eliminated so early I'd probably like him a lot more if he got more development, but at the same time I think he would have overstayed his welcome if he was there for any longer... A good early game contestant

#32: Paper

Most of his development is in ii 1 and I still haven't rewatched it and therefore don't remember much about him, but I remember finding him a teensy bit annoying. In ii 2 and the shorts & comics, he's just a guy trying his best!!! And the one short with him and pickle and cheesy is really cute!!!! And I like payjay!!!! Uh that's kinda it!!

#31: Cherries

The cherries are also just fine!!! I like them!! I don't have anything really negative to say about them, they're just peachy :3 they didn't stay for very long and don't get a lot of moments so I mean yeah they're just chill I like them just fine! Their moments with ying-yang are really cute and their moment in ii18 was epic so I yeah!! That's kinda it :3

#30: Tissues

Tissues is so fucking funny I cant. Everytime he's in a short or like a Fans Fantastic Features it's always a fucking delight. He's such a difficult little shit I love him. And his moments with fan in FFF are so cute they should be friends 🥺🥺

But.. but... He's not just a joke.... He's not just a joke.. *hiccups and sobs*

#29: Ballpoint Pen

Ballpoint Pen was a very fun character!! The thematic parallels between him and cobs make me want to scream and cry and tear the walls a out like a wild animal but anyway he's so interesting. The potential for him and Meohone4 to bond... For Mephone4 to recover from cobs and the show by having a positive influence in his life.... Ofuuufygigug...... Also his design is one of my favorites in the entire show

#28: Apple

Apple is so stinkin cute I can'tttt ueueueueue. I don't remember much about her from season 1 but in season 2 I thought she was funny and I thought that she was a fun character to make headcanons for!! Like her having dyslexia and memory issues which is why spelling is really hard for her and she does know many definitions!!.she's just a fun character who I enjoy seeing on screen. Also SHES SO CUTE IN II18 OHDHSHHD 🥺🥺

#27: Toilet

HES TRYING HIS BEST 😭😭😭😭😭 HE WANTS TO PROVE HIMSELF 😭😭😭😭😭 MEPHONE DOESN'T DESERVE YOU TOILET IM SORRY YOURE SO LOW 😭😭😭😭😭😭 HUGS HIM 😭😭

#26: Soap

soap is one of my favorite "early game" (really it's mid game but whatever) contestants!! Her character just seems annoying and stereotypical neat freak at first (a stereotype I am sick of because of it's reductiveness), but then they give her depth by acknowledging it as an unhealthy coping mechanism instead of an annoying quirk and have her start the process of healing and recovering from it. It's a really interesting character arc that I enjoyed watching!! Also her scene with tissues in ii18 is just so 🥹🥺🥺🥺🥺 so sweet my heartt. Soap is epic.

#25: Bomb

One of my season one favs. I loved bomb and I still do and I don't remember why 😣😣 but I still think he's really fun and I like making headcanons for him. I love his stutter but not in a "oh its sooooo cute 🥺🥺" way I love it in a "it's so interesting how a trait that was at first played for a joke turned into an integral part of this person's character and treated with the respect it deserves." Of course we don't see it very often nowadays because he's not a contestsnt but I just idk I love how bomb can just have a stutter and have no one judge him for it!! It makes me happy 🥹

#24: Mepad

I like Mepad a lot he is so fucking funny. Hes really sarcastic in early S2 and it's extremely amusing he is just such a fun guy. I also think he's really sweet!! His relationship with the contestants and toilet is so heartbreakingly cute and he just cares so much for the ouhhshgddh he makes me sick eueueueue/pos

Also can I just say he has pipes for days??.like yes Mepad get it I hear your lil pun in tacos tirade you're funny ‼️‼️‼️

#23: Box

Miss girl had one episode where she actually talked and made the most of it. Box the person that you are for even going with these people after discovering they've been interacting with your corpse you are stronger than me. Shes just. So. Fucking. Shakes her back and forth. I love her I can't word it. Also her and suitcase should be friends/Yuri whichever one. All the allusions to her death in the previous episodes are so fucked up ii writers when I get you.

#22: Microphone

Microphone is so epic I actually love her. She's really funny and even though I thought her voice & personality was a little boring in the beggining she grew to be a really endearing character whom I love a lot!!! Her relationship with soap and taco is really sweet and she just I just love her 🥹 she's been heard!! She's listening to her heart!! My girl!!!! She has a murderous morally gray little creature for a girlfriend!!!!! She's awesome!!!!

#21: Goo

Goooo my little guyyy 🥹 he's just a little guy! A lil slime! Look at him!!!! He's so precious!! Ouhshghsh!!!! Okay but seriously Goo is such a sweetheart. He's so friendly and sweet and eager to help others it's so nice eueueuueue. He loves his friends lots and his relationship with Bot in particular is so sweet 🥹🥹 they're the cheer factory!!!!! Sobs into hands/pos

#20: Baseball

Starting the Top 20 off strong with Baseball!!BASEBALL IS SO FUCKING FUNNY. Obviously that's not the only reason why I like him, but it's a big part! His quips and lines are some of my favorites in the series, and he's an extremely enjoyable character whenever he's on screen. He's also just. Trying his best. Is his best enough? No. But he's tryignhis best and HES BEST FRIENDS WITH PRE S3 NICKEL CUT HIM SOME SLACK 😭😭 I love his relationship with test tube (no matter how brief their friendship was) and his reconciliation with suitcase was really sweet 🥹 I can't say I'm the biggest fan of his whole character arc, but his little moments (+some of the big ones) are enough to bump this guy up pretty far. Oh also angry baseball in episode... 10? 11? The one where painty gets eliminated. Save me. Grumpy baseball is best baseball. He's so fucking funny. I love him.

#19: Tea Kettle

Shoutout to my favorite "early game" contenstant, TK!! She's just oh my God I love her so much. She's super funny and witty I ADORE her voice and her love for her fellow Sinkers!! I need her and Nickloon to interact more they're so sweet 🥹🥹🥹 ahshsh I don't have much else TK say except I love her sass and her strategical thinking in the game. Such a fun character

#18: Clover

I'm surprised Clover made this far up!!! But she's genuinely such a fun and enjoyable character throughout the series, and her relationships with the contestants, bot & nickel in particular, are so sweet 🥹 her luck is a funny running gag (until it's not) that never gets too annoying because it becomes a part of her character arc!!! A "soap" situation but even better. She should be able to do absolutely anything she wants actually

Candle is a very interesting character to me!! I need to rewatch III again soon because I don't remember much about why I like her (I forget easily) but she's just a really intriguing character and her moments in the series are always going to be a fun time.

#17: Candle

OH HER RELATIONSHIP WITH YINYANG IS SO CUTE 🥹🥹🥹 SHES LITERALLY HIS MENTOR AND THEYRE SO FUN WHENEVER THEY INTERACT I JUST OUGHFHG. I also like her interactions with cabby!! They're so yurious I just love their dynamic a lot. (Cutely ignores slivercandle)

...okay fine her relationship with silver is adorable and I hope they become canon at one point I mean what who said that

#16: Taco

AND I WILL BREAK THIS CYCLE OF MISTA-

TACO THE WOMAN THAT YOU AREEEEE OH MY GODDDDD. SHES SUCH A CREATURE SHES THE LITTLEST GUY SHES SO MORALLY GREY SHES MICROPHONES LITTLE CREATURE.

Couldn't fucking stand her in ii 1 (in the beginning) and I don't care about her relationship with pickle (I don't remember it 😭) BUT HER RELATIONSHIP WITH MICROOHONE... IS SO.... EUUEUEUEUEUE..... Her trying to be "good" and help out in ii17 was so cute and she's just she's trying so hard for mic 🥹🥹🥹🥹 (and mepad too I think? I don't remember)

Also. SHE HAS PIPES OH MY GOD SHE HAS THE BEST SONG IN THE ENTIRE SERIES AND SHES JUST. oughhjhfjfh. I should have put her in A

[battlestar-royco]

In response to you last answer:

I can agree that Gale may not have been romantically compatible with Katniss. Reason why, though, disagree. If anything Peeta showed signs of possessiveness from the start, i.e. becoming jealous when Katniss revealed that her and Gale were, in fact, not related. (This was when they had only known each other for maybe a few days, max). Not to mention that he completely ignored her for several months after Katniss told him that she did not actually return his romantic feelings after the first games. Gale, on the other hand, actually have her much needed space after she returned and did not press her in that way.

Something else I find interesting is that you bring up Beetee and Johanna as points on a spectrum very much separate and distanced from Gale, when Beetee literally created the idea for the bomb with Gale (readers say that he (and Coun for that matter) even took advantage of a young teen soldier with a desperate need to win the revolution after experience so much injustice). Johanna I find to be even more radical than Gale, having blindly wanting revenge in its purest form (which find to be reasonable as well, personally) whereas Gale fought for justice for his people.

Katniss I really do find to be representative of centrist ideologies found in the USA (which are actually more conservative leaning than the rest of the world.)

But I’d like to know what you make of that.

Re: your first paragraph. I truly have no idea how you arrived to this conclusion and I honestly don't see a point in us discussing it beyond acknowledging that we're completely different readers. My reading of these two characters is the literal exact opposite, and I have a feeling that anything I could say to explain my opinion you've probably heard before and disagree with.

Re: second. Rewatched Mockingjay II since you sent this to refresh my memory on the details. I can see where you're coming from with Beetee. I was more thinking of the fact that he made them wmds for fighting the Capitol. As for Johanna (at least in the movie; haven't read the book in a few years), she encouraged Katniss to kill Snow specifically whereas Gale's tactics canonically targeted first responders etc.

And yes, I can see why Gale fans see this as vilifying violent resistance. Collins didn't have to add this, or she could have written something less extreme than Gale being okay with killing random kids to win. But (and as mentioned earlier, we're not going to agree on this based on your read of him) I still find it in keeping with his short-term oriented and self-centered characterization previously established in THG/CF. And I do consider trying to be a generally good person part of a leftist praxis. So for me it becomes more of a "Gale was a bad character because of how he functions as Peeta's foil from start to finish" than a "It was wrong of Collins/OOC for Gale's tactics to specifically blow up the children at the end" issue. The latter is what I see people argue most often, and the former doesn't cancel out the total merit of Peeta as a character for me personally.

And in all honestly I've always found the treatment of Coin to be way more bothersome than what happened to Gale. The false equivalency of District 13 to Snow's regime has never worked for me, and her suggestion of the Capitol Hunger Games always seems to come out of nowhere no matter how many times I return to the books/movies.