#i hate that i have to tag this but this isn't an anti marius post

[inexplicablepeas]

Thinking about Marius telling a fledgling Amadeo that no, he won't turn Bianca and Riccardo for him and having bitter arguments about it and then 500 years later after Armand goes into the sun he's turning Sybelle and Benji without a second thought.

He got his leggy blonde and his childlike caretaker in the end.

[massiveharmonytiger]

No, iwtv fandom. I won't be tagging my opinions about Marius as "Marius hate," to "avoid stressing people out."

Why? Because this fandom is not made up of people that are just "Marius lovers" and "Marius haters." Lots of people have mixed feelings about him and I take that into consideration when I post about him. Even as a so-called "Marius hater", whatever the hell that means. I mean, some people just straight up peg you as an anti or a self-righteous prude if you have one ounce of distaste for Marius, which hardly seems fair because a) Not once did I call for shaming, censorship or say that Marius shouldn't exist b) Have you SEEN my ao3 history.

I happen to think that Marius is a really important and complex character and I can't wait to see them portray that in the show. I just think so many Marius stans are so in denial about who Marius is or driven by repressed guilt because they know who he is and can't handle liking him despite that because they think it makes them a bad person (it doesn't). Ergo, they have to see him as this perfect father lover archetypal figure, which is depressing because we're all out here dragging every other vampire on the show, but please no dissing Daddy Marius. More so because of the associations tied to his blondness and whiteness and Roman-ness - god, I can't wait for the show's portrayal - I'm foaming at the mouth here. Ergo, they can't handle any negativity about him. I mean, we saw the same thing when Lestat slam dunked Louis through the clouds. Everyone on this website who couldn't handle the mark on Lestat's perfect white ass had a complete meltdown. There isn't half as much drama when Louis, Claudia or Armand get criticized for their shit behaviour.

I try to make my posts fair and balanced but I think a lot of the more hardcore stans that couldn't even handle that much. You know, because they weren't posts about the sun shining out of Marius' pretty golden ass. So many wouldn't be seeing my posts all that much anyways on account of them having blocked me after engaging with my posts or vice versa.

I just feel that my posts should be accessible to everybody and then they can decide how they feel about it. Whether they want to reblog it or hard block me. And that's not going to happen if my posts are excluded from a whole portion of the fandom that's simply trying to avoid drama and vitriol by blocking a hate tag. Furthermore, why should my discussions on slavery, pedophilia, racism, abuse, genuine themes in all iterations of Marius' story be classed as "hate" because some people are uncomfortable acknowledging that they are in fact, genuine themes in the media.

Hearing other people out is healthy. Creating boundaries and deciding to remove people from your curated tumblr space is healthy. What's not healthy, however, is splitting the fandom down the middle into this "Marius loving/Marius hating" binary and expecting people to cultivate an echo chamber where everybody shares your opinion and you won't have to learn how to deal with people that might disagree with what you think. TVC has never been the type of media for making people comfortable and I think it's weird that people would want to interact with this specific media in all its rapey, murdery, slavey, racist, colonialist glory and then be all surprised and butthurt when people engage with those themes like its a personal affront to them when nobody is actually personally attacking them. To the point that they don't even want to acknowledge the existence of the part of the fandom that engages with those themes. And you call that etiquette?

Although etiquette was pretty much associated with societies that would host lavish, "polite" parties on the one hand and colonize, enslave and discriminate on the other, so why wouldn't online etiquette follow the trend? Let's just say nothing negative about any complex or problematic characters, themes and issues and then we can all have a good time and pretend that everything is perfect.

[akajustmerry]

not only has Armand been woobified by this fandom, his stans post 205 became just as evil and racist as lestatcels and one scroll thru the vile lou/mand tag on ao3 will show you exactly what I mean especially when its written by the dm freaks. And I dont even bother with the tumblr tag because no. It's just one big heinous fandom united in violent antiblackness. And I cant believe I was stupid enough to actually think "I really hope Armand doesnt get disproportionate hate because the actor isnt white" because as a black woman I should really know better because antiblackness is a way of life to nonblacks. And actually, I guarantee I'd see less big bad evil pimp beast Louis hurts poor widdle Armand who needs [insert white man] to save him takes if his actor was white because there's also a looooot of orientalist racism amongst his stans right down to fanart dressing him in stereotypical belly dancer costume #23 and constant gross infantilization. Nonwhite stans hating Lestat and gravitating towards Armand ≠ not being racist shitbags and the amount of people who draw Marius/Louis parallels in the name of uwu Armand proves it.

Anyway my only hope for the future is that Les/mand should be set on fire at least 4 times on screen, 91% of this klandom needs to 📴 themselves, and Rolin should never be allowed to write a script by himself again.

with respect, I am really not sure why you're sending this stuff to me unprompted. I'm not one of these people "woobyfying" and I don't know what fanart you're referring to or even who Marius is. I feel like you're talking to me as if I don't care about anti-Blackness or orientalism. which I don't appreciate for reasons that should or would be obvious if you looked at my bio before sending me this. again, I mean this with respect, my askbox isn't an Agony Aunt column for your iwtv fandom grievances. I'm uncomfortable being spoken AT about things I have very little to do with or haven't brought up or even know about. Reading this, it feels like it is not a message to me discussing something I've talked about, it's a post you just didn't want to make on your own blog for some reason. Please, do that next time.