#i feel like fic is either 'good mom talia who saves damian' or 'evil monster villain talia who's canon-compatible' and just...

[francisofgotham1]

I think one way to combine them is by making Ra’s force Talia to watch as he turns Damian into a brainwashed soldier. But the moment he got sloppy, she took Damian and ran to Gotham. And just as Bruce as getting used to the situation, he gets sent back in time.

20th-century Talia Al Ghul and 21st-century Talia Al Ghul are basically completely different characters, and I think that’s very stupid. 

She went from “fiercely attached woman who ends up sending her baby to an orphanage out of misguided love for Bruce and their son” to “Heartless Monster Villain who participates in her son’s abuse from infancy onward, treats him as a pawn and tool, and ultimately kills him because he ‘doesn’t measure up,’” and I just…I hate that. I don’t even like Talia and I hate it, because this character assassination was woven into the fabric of the Batfamily story.

70s/80s/90s Talia would not have let the League abuse her baby, let alone played a part! She would have taken Damian and run! But then we wouldn’t have Damian, and so, well… here we are, having to accept that Talia didn’t rescue her baby. Which means, at least on the surface, that Current Canon Talia is not Original Talia. Which is a mess.

[incomingalbatross]

20th-century Talia Al Ghul and 21st-century Talia Al Ghul are basically completely different characters, and I think that’s very stupid. 

She went from “fiercely attached woman who ends up sending her baby to an orphanage out of misguided love for Bruce and their son” to “Heartless Monster Villain who participates in her son’s abuse from infancy onward, treats him as a pawn and tool, and ultimately kills him because he ‘doesn’t measure up,’” and I just...I hate that. I don’t even like Talia and I hate it, because this character assassination was woven into the fabric of the Batfamily story.

70s/80s/90s Talia would not have let the League abuse her baby, let alone played a part! She would have taken Damian and run! But then we wouldn’t have Damian, and so, well... here we are, having to accept that Talia didn’t rescue her baby. Which means, at least on the surface, that Current Canon Talia is not Original Talia. Which is a mess.