#i dont even consume any fiction with age gaps incest whatever

[babybubastis]

The amount of people on this site that can’t (or refuse to) separate reality from fiction is alarming. Insisting that shipping anything “squicky” makes you do that thing in real life is one of the least intelligent and most harmful things I’ve ever heard. MORE harmful than whatever “problematic” ship/fanfiction they claim is damaging young minds.

These are the same people who would assert that “marijuana is a gateway drug!” Or “any position other than missionary is filthy!”. I mean, if you think that, do you, but you can’t run around butting your head in other people’s lives trying to control how they live.

A lot of these people seem to be under the age of 25, which is also interesting to me. Some of y’all haven’t even grown up enough to have any life experience at all, but you all already have enough self-righteousness and hate in your little hearts to go around condemning (and in some cases, harassing) real-live people who aren’t harming anyone, simply because you don’t like the FICTIONAL things they’re into? Get out of here with that.

Half of those people would never even have the courage to butt in if they witnessed real abuse occurring right in front of them.

This is the type of culture that insists video games make people violent, that women shouldn’t enjoy sex as much as men, that any kind of kink is disgusting and dysfunctional. This is the type of culture that eventually leads to book-banning and book-burning.

Are REAL-LIFE cases of pedophilia, rape, abuse, incest, murder, and the like repulsive and need to be stopped? ABSOLUTELY. I can’t think of any person I’ve ever encountered in fandom who has written something “problematic” who wouldn’t agree.

But let’s be clear: FANFICTION IS NOT REAL LIFE. Reading about someone committing murder doesn’t make me want to go out and murder. Playing an RPG game doesn’t make me want to go out and shoot a bunch of people. And writing about a sexual relationship involving two people with an age gap doesn’t make me want to go out and condone/watch/engage in illegal sexual relationships.

A lot of you need to have a really good think about why your blood pressure gets so high when you see someone you don’t know from Adam, minding their own business, enjoying something that has nothing to do with you.

It’s really not about “representing the fandom” or “protecting young, impressionable minds”. As an abuse survivor, I knew people, had friends even, who did absolutely nothing to help me when I was going through what I was going through. Some of those same people were also the loudest when it came to what we now call “purity culture”. Where were they?

My point in saying that, is that writing can be a powerful thing. It can change your life for better or for worse. But I guarantee writing or reading about illegal activities in fandom isn’t pushing anyone over the edge into thinking XYZ is “ok, therefore I will engage in it in real life”. Anyone who does assert that has no critical thinking skills, and those are the people I’m actually concerned about.

Why do I read and write fanfiction? BECAUSE I WANT TO. That’s it. It’s not feeding some dark need or giving me the courage to work up to commit some heinous crime. I see two (or three or four) attractive people that I think would have an interesting dynamic, and I want to see them kiss, so I read/write it. That simple. I’m not crusading. I do enough advocating for people in REAL LIFE. The way I treat ACTUAL PEOPLE speaks more volumes about who I am and what I believe than the fiction I consume and create. Some of the best people I’ve ever met are in my favorite fandom.

I don’t give a shit what you ship. If you ship it, great. Enjoy it. I grew up in a household where we couldn’t really talk about anything; there was a lot of repression and denial. I choose not to live my own life that way. It’s healthy to experiment and explore your desires in a way that doesn’t cause any ACTUAL harm to REAL PEOPLE. What better way to explore than through writing?

So if you’re running around calling people “sick,” “disgusting,” “horrible,” “pedophiles,” sending threats, telling people they’re going to go to jail simply for writing about FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, I will say this: BLOCK ME. You are the people that are toxic to fandom. Fandom is supposed to be a safe space. It’s not a place for you to crusade for fictional characters and earn useless brownie points that don’t count for shit in the real world.

[keith-against-sheith]

@educating-antis

can you send me receipts about that incident bc this is literally the first time i’m hearing about it. this post is the first time anyone has personally come to me (this side) to boost anything, you know, rather than use extreme cases to fearmonger and derail actual discussions (like..how i said..in the op..that we just get radio silence except when you shaladins come here to tell us we’re bullies). I dont check up on shaladin accounts (and most antis dont bc we tend to want to avoid you guys).

“Most shaladins actively campaign against hate that’s what their accounts exist to do” same for antis yet many of the asks/submissions/responses we get are hate! next

“How many posts exist that say along the lines of ‘antis should die?’ A very small amount” I’m just wondering how much content antis receive do you actually see bc this seems to be a very one-sided view lol. do you want like an exhaustive list of how much hate/harassment antis get cuz you’d be waiting a while lol. it’s not just posts but asks, submissions, dms, and I don’t get how you can say we DON’T receive the hate we do when you’re not an anti.

also WHO are the fandom moms you are talking about? bc the only ones ive seen are shaladins/non-antis. could you link to evidence of predatory ppl pls? so i can actually do something? instead of just talking on my post about how bad and awful we are? this is literally the most useless response ive ever gotten.

“You were attacking her, harassing her.” the minor who had an issue with bex wasn’t attacking her. people were rightfully upset that she joked about a pedophilic ship—a ship that she said herself she doesn’t support in canon because it would be an inappropriate relationship and “shiro is not a sexual predator” and is not in a relationship with any of them. that’s in her words btw. AND she encouraged a sexual homophobic comment about a minor as well. people had a right to be angry with her, and with her platform/celebrity status she should’ve known not to react the way she did. she doesn’t deserve to get called a pedophile and other antis as well as myself have made posts about that for our own community. but what she did was not okay, and even she knew that when she tried to apologize. but still because of her that minor was sent death threats and harassed off of tumblr by who? shaladins. bex was NOT abused jfc for people who love to say we don’t know pedophilia is this is a laughable response.

and now “I have never seen a pedophile shaladin” ??? your entire community is built off of “it’s just fiction” and “don’t like don’t read” content/content-creator shielding rhetoric. guess who that protects? lol here are some examples: x / x / x

plus EVERY shaladin who interacts w sexual content of the underaged characters (ESP where they look really young/younger compared to shiro, don’t ignore that), EVERY shaladin who makes the “age of consent is 15 in X country” argument, “fictional child porn is just fictional” argument, “my parents got together when one was 15 and the other was 20″ argument, “as long as they’re post-pubescent it’s fine” argument—that is ALL predatory rhetoric/behavior. you’re telling us we’re watering down the definition of pedophilia when countless shaladins like to say anyone who hits puberty is suddenly eligible so it’s fine if a teenager dates someone in their twenties??? nasty. you guys refuse to examine the danger in age gap relationships if one or more person involved is in their teens so don’t tell us we don’t care about minors or survivors.

“You actively ignore when someone brings to light a real life case of pedophilia.” where??????? link me please??? or hey remember when i mentioned above when a shaladin called a CSA defense firm (a firm that defends pedophiles for a living) to confirm that child erotica is not in fact illegal #DiscourseEnded :)

this is literally hilarious that you’re telling ME that antis put fictional arguments over real people. that second to last paragraph is just a bunch of bullshit. your whole community is a cesspool that aids pedophiles and abusers and makes it easier for them to feel safe grooming kids because fandom has been brainwashing everyone with this ridiculous mantra of There’s Nothing Wrong With This Abusive Relationship If It’s Fictional. where criticism of fictional content/fandom behavior is suddenly harassment and the Good Old Days of fandom were when everyone could do whatever the fuck they want (i.e be racist/homophobic/consume pedophilic content/ship incest/etc etc etc). do you not see how dangerous that is? nowhere am i saying the anti community is perfect but shaladins fit perfectly in this whole “fandom is not your safe space/it’s just fiction” shithole where people like lohkay and todokaras and jakeira thrive and call kids stupid for being uncomfortable with pedophilic/abusive/etc content.

“Stop pretending you’re doing what you do for the greater good because it’s been shown time and time again when that was put to the test that all you actively care about is your ships and your petty arguments regarding other people’s” literally shaladins are the ones who pull all this shit out of their asses for the sake of a fictional ship. how’d you get that backwards lol. come back after you acknowledge the predatory arguments your side uses.

and yeah im 21, I’ve had more time to unlearn the gross hive mindset of Dont Like Dont Read that fandom is currently trying to break out of. Me being against glorified pedophilia/abuse/incest/etc. isn’t the problem here and I hope you can realize that.