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redrocketpanda · 1 year ago
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Three very separate people in my life (with engagement w/D&D varying from none to lots) sent me that Brennan dom DM clip, and I am absolutely DYING that people watch content like that and immediately think of me 😂
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tossawary · 1 year ago
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Is it ever mentioned or alluded how old was Airplane when he died?
EDIT: I have been corrected on the numbers below! I misremembered some details! Airplane Bro WAS updating 10,000 words daily with bursts of 25,000 words. We do also know that he went to university at some point. Please check out the comments added to this post for more accurate details!
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As far as I know, we never really get a fixed number. We do know that Airplane was living on his own, supporting himself, no longer supported by his divorced parents. I can't remember if we actually know whether or not he went to college, but he wasn't in college when he transmigrated, I think, which suggests that he had already finished college or had dropped out by then.
Thanks to Shen Yuan, we do know that Proud Immortal Demon Way was at least 20 million words long and that Airplane Bro was notable for his speed of writing as well as how much he wrote. Shen Yuan at one point says that Airplane Bro was capable of occasionally doing multi-day 10,000 words updates, which I take to mean that Airplane Bro was overall averaging far less than 10,000 words per day, because that update schedule is nuts. The 10,000 words daily bursts were rare and remarkable.
But, if we decide to assume that Airplane Bro was really writing and posting 10,000 words a day nonstop, then that's 3,650,000 words a year. It would take him about 5.5 years to write 20,000,000 words. Let's assume that his writing schedule was slightly less nuts than that and say that he was writing about 5,000 words per day, which would mean that PIDW took him 11 years to write, which sounds a little more reasonable when I'm pretty sure that PIDW wasn't his only project. It's just the one that took off as a smash hit.
I generally headcanon Airplane starting to write novels in his mid to late teenage years, which gives him a little time to explore other projects, before maybe starting PIDW in his college years for fun at first, before he has to change his original plans in order to make money to support himself. He would be in his late twenties at the youngest, probably, unless his writing speed and update schedule really was that nuts. (Shen Yuan makes some comments about the author of PIDW having the writing skills of a child. It is admittedly funny to consider Airplane Bro maybe being a young teenager when he started writing PIDW, like 13 or 14-ish, though I don't hold it as headcanon. It's a fun fic idea.) It is way more likely that he was in his thirties when he transmigrated, especially if he only started publishing PIDW after college.
It's hard to know how old Airplane actually feels when he had to live a childhood over again in a brand new world. We don't actually get any confirmation on how old Mobei-Jun is either, but it is funny to think about Shang Qinghua potentially having 30+ years of another life on MBJ, when an age difference is, like, the least of Moshang's problems and it takes them 25+ years (however old Binghe is at the bare minimum because I'm pretty sure that they met before he was born) to actually hook up.
I still want to write at least a one-shot of Airplane Bro transmigrating in as himself (I had a tag for this, I need to go find it). He still manages to become a cultivator, maybe through author knowledge cheats, but he looks like a totally average man in his forties or fifties. Because he is not that young! And younger man Mobei-Jun, I think, especially with all of his father-related and uncle-related issues, would be so embarrassingly into this.
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gayferrari · 2 months ago
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you once said that charles uses fans parasocial relationships with him in a much more careful (not verbatim but I think you said something similar) manner as compared to the whole nicole piastri podcast thing, could you elaborate? I just thought it was interesting
obv most teams go for the parasocial angle now but what are the different ways they go about it do you think, and would you say some are more, or less good at it, or into it at all?
thank you your brain is very big I want to unspool it
Ok I think I remember the post you were talking about! I thini I joked in tags like "Oscar should take lessons from Charles on how to involve his family in his personal image for parasocial purposes without going overboard" and I was mostly kidding except. not really.
To me. Like I just said, I think Charles is really good at cultivating a connection with his fans that feels very personal, while still keeping a big part of his private life under wraps. He folds bits and pieces of his personality and genuine interests into his #brand, and his communication with his fans feels very earnest as a result, but it's still very much a brand. Rissa was joking the other day that "Leclercs have managed to literally corporatize their brotherhood" and I laughed for five minutes but like, it's true. We know the names of Charles's entire friend group but we have no idea what his personality is like when the cameras are turned off. I have seen his carefully selected family holiday dump and have no inkling about how he and his girlfriend spend their days. I just think it's a very smart way to establish a fanbase in a way that 1) makes your fans feel close to you and motivates them to keep being your fans (worked on me!) 2) holds back core parts of your life that you don't want to share and 3) is true to reality so you don't have to keep up a media façade all the time and it "looks real." Again!! I think it's pretty impressive. He's a guy who enjoys being famous but on his own terms. Hashtag good for him!
The Nicole comment iirc is like... I don't actually follow Oscar closely enough to know what the level of engagement with his family is among his fans, but I AM aware of Nicole publicly engaging with her son's fan accounts just because it's very hard not to. I know general reception so far is positive, but from what I see... I get the vibe she's putting herself out there in a way that could backfire. Beyond whether you personally vibe with the kind of persona she's putting out, I just don't think it's great in the long term for the family of a driver to be THAT accessible to the public. Like, sports fans aren't nice! I hope she keeps having fun making #boymom jokes on twitter and doesn't have to be confronted with people in the replies wishing crashes on her son to the point where it becomes draining. I just think there are better, smoother ways to involve your family in your brand than what the Piastris are currently doing. So this is what made me go "You should ask Charles for tips". But it was mostly a joke, like, I don't think it's something Oscar NEEDS to do. I just think Charles is much better
Anyway! I'm not a social media image PR person so these are just my own gut feelings. I also don't think I know enough about how different teams go about social media engagement, except that I feel vaguely that they all could do better tbh. From glimpses I've seen around I think Mclaren are the ones doing The Most with the social media engagement angle and it feels very #zillennial. But in general, I think social media engagement is a good thing for teams to cultivate, but they don't care nearly as much as some people seem to believe. Teams' PR care way more about sponsors and F1 press than they do about clicks on their bromance videos and podium edits. It's nice to have but I doubt it's a priority.
(MY dream team social media content would be an equal mix of the Ferrari queerbait videos based on bad acting and chemistry and the Merc videos showcasing the team + factory personnel, but I fear nobody will give me exactly what I want :/)
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callieponders · 5 months ago
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Okay. So. The Candy Jams episode, Girl Fest. I have so many thoughts on it, good and bad. This is gonna be another long thoughts post, so let's get into it. (Under the read more because this is Really Long)
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On principle there isn't a bad message here, in fact, to this day it still has relevancy. Plenty of female singers playing faux feminist when they are more than willing to put other women that work alongside them down in order to raise themselves up, rather than trying to cultivate a good community, especially in regards to younger fans. This is definitely not new, same in regards to male singers that promote toxic masculinity to their own audiences.
My issues stem from, of course, the usual "errrrm, isn't it funny how we act uncertain if Laney is a GIRLLLLL, lawl!" ass humor. Like god that shit is garbage I'm glad we mostly phased that type of shit out. Yuck.
Not just that, of course, that's more of a Grojband, "this is from the real early 2010's" issue in general. I also take issue with the approach it takes touching upon the whole "this idol can't actually be trusted" thing. I understand it's watered down to be a little easier to understand, babies first feminism and all, as well as it being a little more niche in the addition that it's someone proclaiming to be all punk rock while in reality being a poser. That isn't a problem in theory, but in practice, I definitely think it came out clunky...
Which message wise, is a little rough. However, it actually comes off as a much more interesting character read of one of the most important characters, Laney, and even TRINA to an extent.
To understand what I mean, we gotta go down the list of things we find out about Candy Jams first. Keep in mind she is promoted to be this 16 year old (assuming she's the same age as the other older teenagers in the show bc it'd be weird if not since she dated nick) punk chick who doesn't take crap from anyone, acting condescending towards the male members of Grojband, and even going as far as to tell Trina she needs to be in charge of her own feelings— "You should be the voice of your own soul, girl!"
Candy Jams appears calm and collected about Nick. She even says she broke things off with him for making her too soft. This is shown not to be the case almost immediately, as while they're not dating, she clearly still has an infatuation for him.
Secondly, it's revealed she's very enthusiastic about clothes. I know, what a revelation, but keep in mind being fashion crazy is often a stereotype used negatively against women as a means of calling them shallow.
Her lyrics are written by her manager, who is an adult male (the adult part really isn't important unfortunately, because I feel like it should've been).
Finally, she says that lyrics with harder words in them make her head hurt (she calls it brain ouchie btw), which is... I guess it's calling her stupid? Not as smart and a thinker that she says she is? I mean, common thing to say to indicate a character is dense, but it just feels weird to tack on. I guess it enhances the fact she doesn't write her own lyrics since she says the last song he wrote had too many hard words for her to sing.
Alright, so, we went down the list... now, there is like... so much to unpack. First off, I don't dislike the ideas here, I definitely don't, because all these things show hypocrisy in Candy Jams branding (except maybe 4 that might just be like, her being a teenager still learning things lmao). It's a pretty classic "don't meet your heroes" situation for Laney, who looked up to her, now feeling shattered because she did not live up to expectation. However, what kills it for me is the already present misogyny shown in Grojband consistently.
Laney is misgendered for comedy constantly because she doesn't present herself as traditionally feminine, nor acts traditionally feminine. Like. It kind of bitters the damn message if you go "respect women in rock, unless it's funny, then don't" in the episode about... recognizing female talent in the rock scene and criticizing the posers sending bad faith messages to their younger audience.
However, despite all this, this episode is REALLY good to dig into Laney's character, and additionally, Trina's, as they both are fans of Candy Jams.
Laney herself is shown to be infatuated with Corey, not to the extent Trina is with Nick, but regardless of that she holds a massive spark for him. We can often see it in her face how she feels about Corey, finding herself at a loss of words when he gets as much as near her at times. She's also into extremely hyper-feminine things, decorating her room with frills and being into things that she would otherwise roll her eyes at— in secret.
So, in other words... she's a poser. She does the exact same things that Candy Jams does, if not being worse for doing it, as she calls Candy Jams out for her behaviors while doing the exact same thing to an even YOUNGER audience. Let's not forget that Grojband's two groupies are young, elementary school aged girls. Laney is just as much an influence to them as Candy Jams is.
Now, am I saying exactly that she's a poser? Not really, no, but you get what I'm saying in pointing out the fact she has far more in common with Candy Jams than she would be comfortable with. It's most certainly due to internalized misogyny at that, especially in a scene that doesn't recognize or respect female voices to begin with unless they denounce anything feminine, either about themselves or other women— Corey himself had to be shown that "lady rock" is in fact, legit.
Keep in mind this is during the early 2010's, so it isn't the same situation now as then exactly, and I'm definitely not saying critique towards traditionally feminine culture isn't valid. It ABSOLUTELY is, but this isn't about criticizing it, Candy Jams AND Laney both outright hide the parts of themselves that enjoy it. Candy Jams because she's an industry plant, and Laney because of her shame in indulging in it at all. Maybe Laney saw herself in Candy Jams a little too much, and was deeply ashamed of what she saw, due to previously having projected herself onto Candy Jams's exterior persona.
Now, where does Trina come into play? Well, similar to Laney, she hides parts of herself that are more vulnerable to others, parts she is ashamed of. She's an intellectual, both with math, literature, and writing. Her being adept with writing is, admittedly, if you count her diary being so well written it can be used as lyrics for songs that in universe, are GREATLY well received. Unfortunately, due to nerd culture being shown as undesirable, ESPECIALLY for/towards women, she only indulges in academic pursuits covertly as an entirely different persona. Additionally, she changed her name just to fit her new mean girl, cute and popular chick lifestyle, and with it her kindness.
Like Laney, she too saw herself in Candy Jams, specifically in her songs. She found herself spoken to in regards to her love for Nick Mallory in one of her songs (and Laney likely did as well), and was equally upset when Candy Jams revealed it WAS about Nick. It made her feel like she didn't own her own feelings, which is something that is far more devastating for Trina than you'd think on a base level alone. She HAS to be in control of her own feelings, she has literally hand carved herself into the person she is today by regulating exactly what she feels, how she conducts herself, and who she hangs out with.
Makes you wonder how she'd feel if she knew that Corey was using her feelings to make his songs.
All in all, though, this episode is pretty surface level and not even the worst I've seen, it's definitely one of the more interesting Grojband episodes. For a feminist message? It somewhat does it's job, especially for 2013. I, for one, think it does an even better job at looking into the thoughts and feelings of the two most important female characters of the show.
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moonglittering · 2 years ago
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Is 'everything" an option? XD I don't want to sound like a broken record, so I'm gonna pick something a lil different - I love how cultivated Vi's aesthetic and image are. Like, there's this really cool contrast between his struggles, his problems and difficulties in managing things like emotions and relationships, and yet how much control he exudes over his outward appearance. No "pop" designer brands, a carefully-selected color palette, the accessories, the CULTURE he chooses to emulate and elevate. It's just so cool to see somebody who can have that duality - the struggle of the self and the mastery of persona.
✨ @starfoam. meme. still accepting!        
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vi really is the future. he’s the the hbic of the moon, it’s the year 3008 while the rest of the galaxy is 2-thousand-and-LATE. and tbh isn’t that amazing of him... the mood of his blog when you look at it really is the veneer. it’s stars and hearts and smiley faces and neon pastels and gradients against the sky... then you look at him as an actual character and it’s basically just knives and a crescent moon in the dead of night and binge drinking due to depression and the sterile, brightly lit hallways of a hospital.
and people do seem confused sometimes on how he can have such a pristine facade that contradicts his actions and inner views, but it’s not that complicated. the person that we let the world see is actually our representative... and whether or not that representative is close to who we rly are is a case-to-case basis... and sometimes that representative is either the true best of us or the best of us that we wish we were... or sometimes just our worst selves lgkjdfklgd.
anyway. virote is down-to-earth but he’s bougie... he’s sad but he’s happy... his coffee order lets everyone know that he has his shit together but he has to fall into shambles in therapy later in the afternoon.
also side note  yea no pop designer brands here except a couple, but im really selective about that... i was a fashion blogger in the early 2000s on livejournal and was obsessed w. models, i can already tell u that forreal rich ppl with some tact arent buying gucci and louboutin red bottoms. anyway.
i luv u esme ur one of the best ppl ive ever met in this comm thru the years!!!
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rainbowsky · 3 years ago
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So I see a lot of bjyx saying things like GG denies all the rumors with li Qin and him dating and all the others but when it comes to DD he doesn’t do that so that automatically means something but in a county like CH it’s very hard for them to deny openly like this a same sex rumor about themselves especially how popular they are now so of course they would never do that even if there were rumors about them dating. And especially now with all the things that are changing there and them wanting to promote even more boy/girl romance and kinds stuff so it wouldn’t be in their best interest to deny them dating so openly like that…
And I just want to know what your thoughts are on the whole thing. Thank you 😊
What do I think, Anon? I think that this logic is so thoroughly contorted that it has a promising career with Cirque du Soleil. 😅
Fake, fan fiction, CPN.
You're seriously trying to tell me that in a country where homosexuality is frowned upon by the regime, where the official position has been to increasingly crack down on homosexuality and representations of queerness, where there's a stated mandate for all good citizens to enter a heterosexual marriage and have 3 children - you're saying with a straight face that it's not a good climate for them to deny rumors of being in a homosexual relationship?
To quote a certain cultivator: Ridiculous.
All we need to do to understand the absurdity of this line of thinking is consider the very obvious fact that they don't even need to speak directly about homosexual rumors in order to deny the BJYX rumors. All they have to do is put out a statement that says unambiguously, "GG/DD is totally single and not in any kind of romantic relationship with anyone." and voila, they've denied BJYX.
The fact that they've never done so, in spite of all the countless, swift relationship denial statements they've made over the years, makes it abundantly obvious to me that they don't want to kill the BJYX rumors. Hell, last year DD even put a stop to a rumor that GGDD broke up.
There have been countless opportunities over the past 4 years for them to shut down the supertopics and put all rumors about them to rest, and never once have they done so. In fact, they both repeatedly add fuel to the fire by
posting kadian that references each other
wearing the same or linked brands, clothing and accessories
making social media posts that contain references to each other, or that look similar in style and design
behaving in ways that appear to reference LGBTQ Pride, particularly GG
behaving as though they are not single
Hypothetical "Let's kill all gay rumors" PR advice for GGDD
If I was advising them on how to quell the rumors here's the first advice I'd give these two:
Make a blanket statement that says, unambiguously, that you are single and not in any kind of relationship.
Stop posting kadian that links the two of you, and instruct your teams to do the same. There are social media management apps that enable posts to be queued up well in advance, and posted at specific times. GG, avoid all times that include the following numbers: 8, 13, 85. DD, avoid all times that include the following numbers: 3, 13, 1005.
Stop wearing clothing brands, items and accessories that the other has been seen wearing. There are multiple resources where fans track what the other has been wearing and share that information online, so there's really no excuse for 'accidents'. And since it's in both of your best interests not to be seen to be in a relationship - particularly a queer one - I'd recommend coordinating with each other's teams to ensure no overlap.
Stop posting photographs, art and graphics that are similar to each other's on social media. Avoid using any typefaces or graphical styles that could be seen as similar.
Close down the supertopics. You have the power to do so. It's been over two and a half years since the Untamed finished airing. There's no longer any marketing rationale for keeping the topics up. These rumors are a threat in the current entertainment climate, and the recent crackdowns are a good excuse for shutting them down.
Stop showing evidence that you are, in fact, a couple. You can start by editing any mention of each other's names out of your videos, stop referencing each other in your social media photos and videos, and follow all the above advice. Start acting like the straight, single guys you supposedly are.
I don't know about you, Anon, but none of these things seem particularly onerous, burdensome or difficult to me. If GG and DD wanted to, it would be childishly simple to let the rumors and the CP wind down and die.
But let's face it - they didn't shut the rumors and the supertopics down during 2/27, and they didn't shut them down when the BTS topics were trending on Weibo, and they didn't shut them down when the entertainment industry crackdowns started, particularly when all the announcements came out about danmei/dangai stories. They clearly don't want to take advantage of the very obvious excuses they have to shut it all down.
These are all situations where fans would expect it, and totally not be surprised if the rumors and supertopics were shut down. Particularly with the entertainment climate what it has been lately. They could have shut it all down and it would have caused little fan backlash - if any at all. Everyone was half expecting it to happen.
But no, GG and DD still continue to feed the rumors, and as far as I'm concerned there's only one even remotely rational explanation for that: They are onboard with the rumors.
As I've said before, they are behaving like people who really are in a relationship. They are not behaving like people who are 'tolerating the mass-delusion of a bunch of fans'.
And that being the case, there are some really good, solid reasons why they would not deny they are in a relationship:
GG is too superstitious. He wouldn't want either of them claiming the relationship isn't real, or that they are single.
They're both the kind of people who wouldn't feel comfortable hiding behind some fake story.
They enjoy, appreciate and rely upon the support of their CP fans. It allows them the best of both worlds - being able to be supported in their relationship, while still maintaining some cover from mainstream backlash about being in a relationship.
And of course there's the biggest reason of them all:
They aren't even really trying to hide their relationship.
I don't know where you're coming from, Anon - it's a bit difficult to read what your underlying position is, whether you're a turtle or a solo or even an anti - but the kind of position you outlined above comes across to me as grasping. And that makes sense, because there really is no rational explanation except that they don't want those rumors to die.
I guess that leaves some people trying to find alternate explanations for why GGDD don't want the rumors to die, but given the evidence and the obviousness of the situation, such alternate explanations are bound to be pretty 'out there'. The simplest explanation makes the most sense to me. It is exactly what it looks like.
BJYXSZD.
More on this here.
Discussion of why they don't 'break up the CP' here.
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viborgsejersen77-blog · 6 years ago
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