#honestly prefer an outcome where jason rescues himself even if he's injured
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navree · 6 months ago
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ooooh how will Jason get his dragon? and how will Joker and Ethiopia go down??
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So, I'm not gonna make the Batfam a one to one comparison to Targs, so who knows if this would be a family where dragonriding would prevalent with the cradle hatchlings and whatnot. But I'd imagine similar to something we saw with Vhagar and Aemond, or Sheepstealer and Nettles. A resourceful kid has the planning and the determination to win a dragon to them (also in HOTD when Aemond has his little moment of whooping for joy as he's flying Vhagar, it's giving big "Robin gives me magic" and also is another reason why I love Aemond and think Luke got off easy with getting munched) and thus has that dragon bonded to them for life. It's something that works for Jason as a character, since he in the comics is very resourceful, and he's always had his moments of taking life by the horns and deciding to forge his own path. Hell, he died, and then he said "nah" and came back.
As for how an ASOIAF equivalent to ADitF would go down, likely somewhat different. The circumstances that led up to Jason's death are very specific. 1. Willis was murdered in prison by Harvey Dent 2. Bruce did not tell Jason about this, leading to an erosion of trust between them as a result 3. Jason is then heavily affected by the Felipe Garzonas serial rapist case which only gets worse when Gloria, who he'd promised to keep safe, hangs herself as a result of Garzonas getting off without consequence and Jason is the one to find her body, leading him to confront Garzonas with Murky results 4. Bruce believes for at least a certain period of time that Jason might have murdered Garzonas which further erodes the trust between them 5. Bruce benches Robin as he believes that Jason has not had the space to grieve both his father and his mother and that this is leading him to be dangerous to himself (he literally says that, benching Robin was far more Bruce being worried that Jason was being careless with himself due to his trauma manifesting in some form of self-harm than it was about Jason being "bad") 6. Jason overhears part of a conversation about this between Bruce and Alfred and becomes convinced that he's going to be fired, 7. Jason goes to his old home in Park Row (presumably out of a concern he might be kicked out as well as benched) and meets an old neighbor who gives him some things belonging to his parents 8. Through this Jason finds out that Catherine Todd was not his birth mother, and uses Bruce's resources to find three potential candidates, including Sheila Haywood, who is currently committing financial crimes and being blackmailed by the Joker about it 9. Jason runs away from home to try and find his birth mother, presumably so that he has a backup option in case he is kicked out 10. This leads him to the relative same area as where both Sheila Haywood and the Joker are, which is where Batman also is due to him trying to stop the Joker 11. Jason and Bruce work together as Batman and Robin to stop the Joker at the same time as Jason meets Sheila, which goes well enough that Bruce is comfortable leaving Jason in her care while he goes off to stop a part of the Joker's plan that needs to be dealt with immediately, even though the Joker is close by 12. Jason, knowing Sheila is being blackmailed, reveals that he's Robin and that he can help her if she tells him everything that's going on 13. Sheila decides to use this as a way out of her blackmail by giving Joker someone he's wanted dead for some time (cuz he's crazy) and lies to Jason that the Joker is no longer in the area that he actually still is to lead him into a trap 14. In spite of Jason's attempts to fight his way out, he's defeated and very severely tortured by a crowbar by the Joker, to the point where everyone in the warehouse they're in believes that he's been killed 15. The Joker, upon remembering that Batman won't take kindly to his son having been full on murdered, decides to get rid of any loose ends by leaving Sheila tied up in the warehouse and rigging it to blow up 16. The building blows up just as Bruce arrives on the scene, and in spite of Bruce's best efforts to find him in the rubble, Jason is killed whilst lying in the wreckage due to smoke inhalation injuries/asphyxiation/likely the aggravated severity of injuries from the beating and the explosion.
These are not circumstances that can be repeated in Westeros. Westeros doesn't have explosives that you can time to go off at set moments, it doesn't have the concept of medical malpractice or insurance fraud or international criminal arms deals, it's impossible to prove that someone is or is not related to someone else unless there are glaring physical hints (Jon is able to pass as Ned's son because he inherited all of Lyanna's Northern looks and none of Rhaegar's Targaryen ones, the Strongs are very obviously Rhaenyra's children by Harwin rather than Laenor as they are lily-white and very dark haired/dark eyed like him, whereas Rhaenyra and Laenor are both blond with two blond parents and Laenor is Black). And again, vigilantism likely wouldn't be something the Batfam would partake in due to, like I mentioned before, the circumstances that created it not existing.
If Jason has a dragon (hell yeah, as he should), then I'd imagine something similar to what I've theorized happened to Rhaenys the Conqueror. Her dragon got shot down, and she was presumed to have died in the fall, though we know that it's somewhat survivable given that Aegon II and Baela Targaryen both manage it in the same fight, so my view is that she survived but, given that the Ullers (the ones who shot her down) were kinda crazy people, she was either taken captive and further tortured, or just taken captive but not given the best quality care for extensive injuries (until the Martells found out and took custody of her and sent her back to Dragonstone which is why the letter affected Aegon as bad as it did and why he left for Dragonstone for a day and why he was on good terms with the Martells afterwards because he was able to, if not say goodbye, at least bury her in their ancestral home, but this isn't an ASOIAF theory post). Given that Jason would be considered nearly an adult in Westeros at the time he died (he died the year he would turn sixteen, but was still fifteen because he was an August baby), you could have something like that. Jason gets involved in a conflict, as the son of a lord/king, his dragon is either injured or outright killed at some point with a fall that leaves his family thinking he was dead, even though what happened was that he survives but gets taken captive by whatever enemy he was fighting, our Joker figure, who absolutely does torture him and do the vile shit he does in the comics. And then at some point Jason would either get away on his own and be taken in by Talia, or Talia just rescues him herself (and doesn't tell Bruce for whatever dumb reasons she didn't tell Bruce in the comics, I love Talia dearly but the fact that it never apparently crossed her mind to tell her literally suicidal ex that his dead child is alive and "relatively" safe in her care is not only ridiculous but borderline cruel) and helps him recover.
You could maybe have a Joker figure kidnap him for ransom, maybe, but this might just be me as the child of a good father, but I can't imagine a Bruce Wayne who wouldn't immediately pay the ransom if some psychopathic nutball literally kidnapped his fucking kid. And if anyone's wondering "how can you have Jason lose his dragon by being shot down" 1) it's thematically appropriate, Jason lost everything in Ethiopia including his own life, any equivalent needs to come with heavy losses even beyond his personal safety and comfort 2) Dany has three dragons, Daemon and Rhaenyra have two or smth with whatever's gonna go on with Vermithor in season 2, Jason can have more than one dragon somehow, he can have ten I don't care he deserves them because he's my boy.
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