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The scene of Frank Castle just immediately murdering the guy who offers him child porn cycles in my brain constantly
#man experienced immediate regret#him letting the guy in punisher season 2 live isn't real to me#literally not him#izy.txt#csa mention
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Comments on Netflix's Avatar The Last Airbender
*spoiler alert*
First of all I'm gonna start by saying it is one of the best adaptations I've seen so far. And that's the key word, adaptation. I've seen a lot of fans and others complain about some things that honestly, doesn't make sense because some things only work in a cartoon(just as much as some things only work in a book or a video game)
And before I start to talk about some topics that I judge important, I also wanna say that the production is fantastic, from the costumes to the CGI. It all looks amazing. (A part from Yue's wig)
1. The Script
It's not easy to pick 20+ episodes and make it fit in only 8 but damn they did a hell of a good job, especially when judging what was important to show and what they could let it go. Some fans commented that since there's no fillers, the Gaang and others miss some development but I think that for the universe of the live action what we got here it worked.
I can express how much I like to see Ozai and Azula's relationship and how it is now clear that he uses the siblings against each other, manipulating them to get what he wants. But I will admit I miss the fear Azula had, since it's implied in the show and some extras that she does fear Ozai, and fears becoming like Zuko.
I hope the 41. Is just fine after the battle in the north. See all of them bowing to Zuko after discovering that Zuko was the one that saved their asses and was heavily punished by that...it was beautiful. I loved the writers did that, give names and faces to Zuko's crew and a beautiful yet sad arc when Ozai banished his son and the men who he saved.
I also loved that they put weight into things that was treated as a joke, like Katara talking about her mother. She was a little kid who saw her mom get murdered in front of her and the live action made sure to let us know that it is not okay to make jokes about something so traumatic. All of the deaths here have tons of weight in it, it's not some random person, is someone we met, someone we liked, someone who helped. The costs of the war, something the cartoon manages to show us but know in live action, with real people, the massage gets stronger.
And they didn't forget Iroh's past like the fandom does, which is great. That actor, the earthbending soldier really let it all out, that's how you use the few screentime you have.
Sokka's isn't sexist and y'all were making a storm outta a cup of water, is not like Sokka sexist didn't go away after like the 4 or 5 episode in the original show. I think the live action was able to bring more depth to him in comparison to the first season of the cartoon. We see how he feels about his father's, the absence of him and his duty as warrior who kinda doesn't want to be a warrior.
I need a Gyatso in my life, I didn't know I needed to see more of him until the live action gave us more of him. Kyoshi was the Thor coming to Wakanda from this season, WHY THE FUCK BRYKE DONT WANNA GIVE US A KYOSHI SERIES? She is absolutely a jewel of a character. Roku and Kuruk, damn poor Kuruk man, so much pain in his words but again that's what it means to be the Avatar, it's not fun and games. Zhao saying to Aang what Korra villains said to Korra😭 that the world doesn't need the Avatar anymore, it hurt.
Guys I'm gonna say it, there's no way in hell for anyone to ship Kataang here. I'm saying this because some shippers complain that the secret tunnel part was different but c'mon, look at Kiawentiio and look at Gordon, it would be so s awkward and weird and just wrong. I know they don't have a big age difference, is only like 3 years but when they filmed Gordon looked so much younger than her, maybe in the next seasons the difference won't be that big.
The pace is good, once you start you don't wanna stop.
2. The Acting
Everyone is really good at capturing the essence of it's characters and somewhat making them their own. The highlights for me were Dallas and Ian, Its like they came straight from the show. Ken Leung's Zhao was also amazing as he was way more threatening here than he was in the show.
Kiawentiio was the Katara we were looking for, she is kind yet strong, brave and caring. And Gordon was Aang, sure, he has to learn a few things since he slipped a few times in his acting but nothing that could ruin the experience, that kid is good and just needs some experience.
Elizabeth Yu was Azula. It was different but yet the same character, is like learning something new of her and I like how cleared she show emotions with her eyes. Maria Zhang had great chemistry with Ian and I can't wait to see more of Suki. Arden Cho and Yvonne Chapman as June and Avatar Kyoshi look like they came out straight from the cartoon. Daniel Dae Kim...man is Ozai, so cold, so sharp, so scary, already way better than the cartoon version. I wanna see more of Paul Sun-Hyung Lee as Iroh since the character he really starts to shine in book 2.
3. The live action doesn't have the spirit of the OG?
Yes, it does have. The thing is now that we are seeing real people, things get dark one way or another but I don't think it ruined the spirit of the show. Aang is still a kid, Sokka still making sarcastic jokes, Zuko still annoying as hell, Katara still hopeful and strong... There's everything there really.
The thing is stuff like genocide, murder, war, death and suffering are, for some people, better to watch as pixels in a cartoon than real people.
I think it's a great adaptation and I would recommend it to every fan.
#avatar#Netflix#netflix avatar the last airbender#avatar the last airbender#the last airbender#avatar aang#avatar kyoshi#avatar roku#avatar kuruk#sokka#katara#azula#uncle iroh#zuko#zhao#atla#tla#comments on#korra#avatar korra
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Bubbles watches Supernatural pt7
Season 4 babey. (Pt1)
Okay, current theory; castiel rose dean from the dead
Okay but when dean calls the phone company and bobbys like 'how d you know he would use that name' and dean replies 'are you kidding me, what don't i know about that kid
MAJOR feels
IT IS IT IS ITS CASTIEEEEEEWWEEL
Oh my god castiel wtf
Okay magic boy
Such a chaos child
IM SORRY HE SOUND LIKE-THAT-???(Cas)
Fucking called it. It was Cas who brought Dean back
Thats beautiful can you imagine the winchester boys drivin round in a hippie van
Dean breaking my heart again
'What's he like? John?' HE WANTS TO GET TO KNOW HIS DAD WHO WAS HIS ACTUAL DAD AND NOT SOME CRAZY FUCKEF UP BITCH
Im in pain
Cruing crying crying
No I'm actually sobbing
As in making noise sobbing. Literally
'On november second 1983. Promise me you won't get out of bed. No matter what you hear.
You know what well and truly freaks me out
Grandpa winchester, when possesed by the yellow eyed demon really really reminds me of john winchester
Prolly bc he also reminds me a lil of Negan from twd and theyre the same actor
IM SORRY WTF JOHN JUST GOT KILLED
Okay I know the guy is posseded by a demon but this is very wrong (Mary and grandpop winchester kissing to seal the deal)
Ive heard castiel speak about 4 times now and his voice still catches me off guard
Im sorry what??? My guy Dean just ripped an ear off
Nawh little baby sam being all flabberghasted meeting cas
Nawh not Dean turning big brother comforting Sam when hes dissapointed abt the angels, evem tho Dean doesn't believe the same way
Sams bday is 2/2 hihi
I love that 'busty asian beauties' is a returning theme in spn
Dean I love you
'We are teddy bear doctors!'
Thats a dad right there
OH MY GOD WHAT THE FUCK
I knew something would be up with teddy
But I did -not- expect a whole as grown man to live in this childs room
Nah the depressed alcoholic teddy bear got me cracking upp
I need Sam and Ruby to fuck nasty
oh my god nah 5 minutes later my wish got granted
Nooo sam you coward
YES THANK YOU LORD
They really said 'sam gets to fuck a demon, well then, Dean gets an angel
Love that sam and dean don't even believe in death anymore
Teenager Dean hurts me
Him not realising that not having a curfew and being home alone with his brother for 2 weeks isn't, in fact 'a sweet setup'
Okay Losechester is kinda funny
I need Sam and Ruby to fuck nasty again
Obsessed with Bobby having a phone line for each of their covers
He truly is dad™
Noo sam with the Siren doctor is just sad
Hes so absolutely besotted and none of it is real
OH MY GOD NEW THEORY
The doctor isnt the siren, but the other FBI agent is
He is, after all, Deans dream guy
OY MYY GOD IT ISSS
Nah who does this stupid siren think he is
Does he really think he can make Dean 'I went to hell for sammy' winchester kill the guy? Lmfao
SAM YOU DICK WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING
Oh my god I Just realised
I'm finally a true tumblrina
I have reached superwholock
I think my castiel feelings are starting
'we need u to torture demon, uwu'
'no I dont wanna'
'i also dont wanna, but you need to'
'u wont like who i'll be afterwards'
'I know, uwu, Im sad I dont wanna make u do this. Also, btw, Im so attached to you even tho weve spoken like. Five times, that god is downgeading me'
Okay but what even is up with akastairs voice
WHAT IN THE FANGGANG IS GOING ON HERE (an amazing vampire Sterek fic written by aclosedficisneverread)
Why is this genuinly like the fic
'its okay sammy, you can have it'
Horny bloodsucking
Both of them enjoying it
sam joined the fanggang
Wtf they are fucking angels and they couldnt be bothered to use waterproof spray paint? Why use shitty chalk
HELLO CASS WHERE ARE YOU YOUR BF IS GETTING BEATEN TO BITS
'oh you are losing the war? Let me kill my soldiers as punishment so we defo cant win'
HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE
URIEL WTF
Oh my god uriel you sound like a middle child
Its not blame that falls on you, Dean, its fate
Aaaah How am I Meant to be normal about them
HES THE CHOSEN ONE
How did I completely miss the moment castiel went frim castiel to cass for Dean
Uhm wtf feverdream
NO NO NO I DO NAT ACCEPT THIS CAR WHERE IS THE IMPALA
Okay but this bit is so good. That little music + jareds facial expressions convey so good that this is not our Dean
Dean SMITH?
He better be 7 miles deep undercover
Sam is gonna be in that elevetor aint he
BITCH WDYM DO I KNOW YOU, YOU HAVE A DYSFUNXTIONAL CODEPENDENT BROTHER
SAM YOU CANT TALK ABOUT YOUR WEIRD DREAMS TO A STRANGER
Im sorry but why are the winchesters set up like an office romance in this episode
Running into eachother in the lift
Glances across the office
Like, if you forget they are brothers, this is soo suggestive
My theory is that cas put em in an alternate universe so that Dean can have his peace
But it also isnt plausible, bc what abt the seals
HOW THE HELL DID YOU KNOW THAT GHOSTS ARE SCARED OF WRENCHESS HAHAHAHA
OH MY GOD I KNEW ITTTT
'There! I just found the jackpot! Real actual gosthunters with instructional videos!'
GHOSTFACERSS
Okay but imagine coming across a real life ghosts and following a yt tutorial by those idiots
It was the angels!
Just not cas
Zacahary
To teach the boys a lesson
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I adored your post about the ending of 01 of Fruits Basket. I liked 19 more after I started season 2 and could stop comparing them, because there were some parts of 01 that hit much harder even as I wanted more of the story. For 01, the scene with Yuki and Kagura was pretty powerful for me and I loved Yuki’s line about running away. I wish that had been included in the remake somehow. Do you have any more thoughts on that theme and Yuki’s character?
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it <3
My thoughts on Yuki's character in 01 veer a bit on the unpopular side. I do agree, wholeheartedly, that compared to the depth and development Yuki gets in the manga, 01 did him dirty. HOWEVER, in the vein of making sense of what we got from 01, I'm I don't think Yuki's little arc in that anime should go overlooked. It's supremely watered down in comparison, but, for what it is, I like it a lot.
When compared to the manga (and, I'll say generously, even the reboot), 01 falls flat in its inability to really flesh the plot and its characters out. And, this is all due to the anime needing to tell a complete story from about a third of its source material. So, 01 had to find a way to wrap up Yuki's character by the time we get Kyo's true form when, in accordance with the manga, that's when Yuki's arc is really only beginning. We never get to see Yuki interact with the student council or become friends with Kakeru, which really mold him into a more genuine and confident guy, and nor do we get to see Yuki understand his true feelings for Tohru. So, we're left with these half baked-instances of Yuki's character where his decision to become student council president goes nowhere, and his relationship with Tohru is presented as a more genuinely budding/possible romance rather than weird and performative (because we also never get to see the weird moments like 'I'll kidnap you', etc.). Which, we been knew.
BUT, THAT BEING SAID: Yuki, I think, is the only character in the 01 anime who gets any real semblance of a character arc where he undergoes a change. (I wish I could say the same thing for Kyo since the true form arc is something that does change him, but his bizarre disconnect with Tohru at the very end there with the whole 'when are you gonna make lunch, bitch I'm HUNGRY' is just awful writing and really retracts from any development and sets him back to square one. So, rip Kyo).
Your mention of Yuki's conversation with Kagura is gonna make my next point obvious BECAUSE YOU RAISE A VERY GOOD & IMPORTANT POINT but let me explain 😌
With no student council, no Kakeru, and no 'Tohru is actually my mom' realization, there is only one angle left for the 01 anime to explore with Yuki and that's his relationship with the curse, specifically his relationships with Kyo and Akito.
Yuki and Kyo's relationship in 01 is something else that gets the short stick, so we never really get to understand why Kyo blames Yuki like he does and we never learn that Yuki envies Kyo as much as he does. So, their rivalry is chalked up to old zodiac convention, because the conflict of the curse in 01 isn't a supernatural bond but a way of living that is engrained so deeply in this family's history that challenging it would be, blasphemous, I guess.
(sidenote: how cool would it have been if this angle was explored? That when Akito said to Tohru: 'you'll suffer as we suffer', the Sohma's suffering is because centuries ago their family was cursed for some punishable offense by the original Sohma against God or something and now they have to suffer and atone for their ancient sins? [And, like, Akito is dying because he in particular is a direct descendent of that original Sohma---I may have fucking cracked the code, guys]. But, by the time we get to Fruits Basket, the curse is still intact due to unimpeded tradition rather than like ... any legitimate force or threat. IDK)
ANYWAY: Kagura and Yuki's conversation about "why does it have to be this way?" REALLY cements this vague narrative structure that the curse is convention waiting to be challenged. Tohru has been meddling and challenging Sohma norm since the beginning, and as she goes out there to run after Kyo, Yuki and Kagura have this conversation which really, for the first time in the series, paints the curse as some bullshit that shouldn't dictate WHO the Sohma are, even if it dictates WHAT they are. In running after Kyo, Yuki is setting aside his age old rivalry with Kyo that was more indicative of the curse than it ever was of who they are as people (according to 01, anyway).
And, when Yuki says that he's tired of running and doesn't want to do it anymore, I always interpreted that as Yuki confronting his and Kyo's inability to face fear and uncertainty, as, in that moment, Kyo is desperately trying to avoid the possibility that Tohru might reject him. Whereas, Yuki was always running from the main house, and trying to separate himself from Akito (and, I guess, in a way, 'Sohma' as a concept? IDK we're working with tea leaves here). So, it's, in my opinion, pretty dang powerful at the end of the anime when Yuki helps Shigure to protect Tohru from Akito because he's exhibiting power over his abuser and directly defying him which is GROWTH.
This got so winded and my thoughts became more and more scattered as I wrote it but I guess the TL;DR is
Yuki doesn't get the extensive development that he does in the manga, but in 01, he contradicts zodiac convention (i.e, the curse, I guess) in going after Kyo, he confronts his cowardly and complacent way of running from his own bullshit, AND, MOST IMPORTANTLY, HE STANDS UP TO HIS ABUSER WHICH IS PRETTY RAD. & IDK, in a way I just think this shit rules. (I also really live for Yuki getting to scream & yell & roll around in the dirt).
#readmore bc this got longer than I intended#& im sorry of it borders on incomprehensible#fruits basket#yuki sohma
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Posible Ducktales season 2 finale timeline according to trailer
So, since I'm not the only one who thinks that, with all the villains gathering to destroy Scrooge and family... where does Lunaris fit in all of this? Here's my (long) theory.
Glomgold and Ma Beagle: The first allies
Those two are the classic villains than are more asociated with Scrooge and have past feuds with him.
For Glomgold, it can be the bet. Maybe he is losing and wants to take everything the real Scotish duck has without waiting any longer.
For Ma Beagle, it could be the lands problem that Scrooge had with Grandpa Beagle, or maybe they lost for real some Beagle Boys in the Duck's quest for D'jinn's lamp and they want to avenge said Beagles by killing Scrooge's closest relatives.
As other post pointed out, Glomgold actually learned something in the 87 cents episode about what makes Scrooge so sucesful, and that's his family. That's why he said in the trailer that he's looking for a family, not only to show respect to Ma and his boys, but because he really thinks gaining a villainous family is the way he could win for once and for all.
The others
Mark Beaks
The grey parrot is going to appear in an episode with Louie, Goldie, Doofus and (as I like to call him) his robot son Mini Beaks. It seems like the millenial wants something with Doofus, be it money or social status as he's in the duckling's tree house. Unfortunatly, so are Scrooge's nephew and lover, maybe to try and scam him.
Maybe at the end of the episode, Doofus doesn't want to help the parrot, and instead he will help Louie (or no one, as this incarnation of Doofus is a great pain in the... tail) making Beaks to swear revenge against the Mcduck family, an opportunity that comes with Glomgold and his alliance of terror.
Magica de Spell
The sorceress somehow has her powers back (or just basic ones) and I'm sure that she's the reason that the ducklings (and Violet) end up in some kind of dream land where everyone can wish for anything and that becomes true, kinda like Coraline's other world or Bill Cipher's bubble for Mabel.
I say this because Webby has the look of Scrooge, Violet has some books, Huey is tall, Louie just wants to be a cat (Aristocats reference, anyone?) and Dewey is popular in the school he never had the chance to go (if his looks, Dewey's costume that dances and that poster behind Magica when she's with Lena alone in the lockets who says "you can Dew it" is any indication).
Anyway, that world was created by Magica as a way to reclaim Lena again, who surely having her evil aunt back is the last thing that she wanted.
I'm pretty sure the kids end up defeating Magica again and keeping Lena, but Magica swears revenge and, just like Beaks, she is recluted by Glomgold and company, and she would have to swallow her pride and follow the South African duck... for the moment.
Don Karnage
He is an interesting case, as we haven't see him since his debut episode. I don't know how the villains can found him, as he and his crew are in the sky, but I have a theory of why they would choose him.
Simple, Dewey posted on the Internet about how he and his family fought and defeated the "not so great" captain Don Karnage, making the pirate wolf very livid and maybe ashamed about how his reputation went down faster than a malfuctioning plane after he lost to a child of all things.
The villains probably read about him on the web and wondered if he wanted to have his revenge too. They were right.
They somehow contact the Don, and not only they obtain a great swordman, but also an entire pirate crew. It's a pity they don't let the pirates sing, it could have been an interesting semi-musical episode.
The Time Tube's role
So, where does Gyro's time tube fits in all this madness? It could be:
1. The villains did it
They stole it so they can ruin Scrooge's life for the start and mess with his present.
2. Louie did it
In the trailer, we see Louie in the tub while having some treasure. Given how he screwed up things in the lamp episode, most of us theorize that he is the one behind all the time traveling stuff.
3. Gyro did it on accident
It can be that, as this is Gyro's creation after all, it went out of control itself and its presence afected the present in many ways. Or it could be that it ended up in the past and Bubba is the one doing the time traveling stuff to bring Tootsie with him while making a mess.
4. A combination of the other ones with the first one
Either Gyro, or Bubba, or Louie did it, but it was as the same time as "Glomgold's family" was attacking the Mcduck Manor.
Anyway, this will indicate the introduction of Bubba and his pet triceratops and the battle with the villains will take place.
The final result?
The ducks win, the villains lose and Gyro learns to control his time tube better for other important ocasions that, as we know, are about to happen... BIG TIME.
Lunaris' Invasion
I'm 99% sure the battle with the Moonlanders will take place after the battle with Glomgold and company.
Why? Because in this picture (in the inferior corner) we see five pictures of Scrooge's enemies. We see Magica's face, Mark's beak, Ma Beagle's nose and the other ones are Glomgold and Karnage for sure.
This could indicate that the five lost to the Duck family or they were near them at the time the alien's computer seached information about Della's clan.
There's also about a picture of Gizmoduck (pretty sure they know about his other identity too... take new notes Fenton) indicating that they are aware of the technology the Earthlings have.
And talking about superheroes, this is the moment that Launchpad and Scrooge recruit Darkwing Duck, as we can see that the Scotish one is wearing the same clothes.
All seems to indicate the battle with the aliens takes place at night in Calisota. Scrooge is charging with the help of the Ottoman Empire brothers, Emily Quackfaster, Gyro, Demonworth, Beakly, Lena, Violet (she's there too, next to Lena, she's just that small), M'ma Cabrera, Gizmoduck and Gabby McStabberson.
Penumbra and Donald: The last hope
So, it seems like Penny is becoming a good girl if the poster for season 3 is any indication. Ergo, she is the one to return Donald to his family and thanks God the lack of an orange blimp didn't change things.
Penumbra is the only one to know the true, and the only one who could stop all this invation. How? Screaming and shooting laser guns like everyone else? I don't think so. She will use the same strategy Della used with the Moon mite.
She would use kindness and a peaceful aproach. She would probably said that Della was a good person all along, that she was wrong and Lunaris is the thread to all. I'm sure that after that, the Moonlanders will stop any violence.
But what about Donald? Mister "I prefer to not have many adventures and don't appear in many episodes" is going to have. Some. Good. EPIC MOMENTS
I mean, look at him battling Lunaris and tell me you don't see the rise of the Duck Avenger. Some random alien is acusing his twin sister of treason and decides to punish her along with her boys? His boys?
He HAD IT
Lunaris is death Moon meat. Period.
When he returns to Earth, he would have a very heartwarming reunion with his boys and his sister. At last, the Duck twins are together and nothing will tear them apart again.
Scrooge's allies: Coincidence or selection?
Now, what makes us have a lot of hype apart from the epic return of our main characters after months is the return of characters that we didn't know were making a return, like Gabby McStabberson or the Living Mummies. Characters that, be for their unique design or personality make us decide for more moments with them, and we got it.
But... Why? Why them?
Aside for the fanservice aspect, there has to be another reason for that.
It could be that Scrooge had recluted Gabby and the wolf brothers and would pay them later, or simply they want to make sure their home planet isn't invaded.
Not sure about where the Ottoman Empire brothers fit in all of this. Maybe there is going to be an episode about how they reconcile with the help of one of the triplets.
Now, we got to a very interesting part (and I'm not only saying this because I'm a fan of those two)
Aliens vs Middle Eastern people
Now that's something you don't see very often. *Ahem* well, the reason this little scene is so important is because it show us that the Moonlanders are attacking Egypt.
Egypt. As in, they are not only seeking Della and her family. They are attacking all the Earth at the same time. We can be sure that the aliens are the ones attacking Amunet and D'jinn because of the yellow/golden lasers that almost hit the warrior (thanks Amunet) and are the same ones Gabby is repeling with her sword/dagger.
Also, the battle is taking part at the same time but in different places. In Duckburg is night, and in Egypt; day.
But other option is that D'jinn and the Mummies are not confronting the aliens by coincidence.
They were actually selected.
Remember the picture that shows an alien computer with the Duck family at the center and Scrooge's enemies and Gizmoduck in the corners?
Who can't say the aliens did the same with Scrooge's allies and family all around the globe?
There are a lot of golden spaceships in construction. Maybe not all of them go to Duckburg but to different parts of the World.
If the selective theory is true then that means there are going to be aliens following Fethry, Gladstone, Selene, even the Buzzards (yes please, they had it coming)
Also, in this Earth hologram under the picture of the triplets, there seems to be like a close up Earth map, maybe with the bright dots indicating where are Scrooge's allies and family now.
Be it coincidence or computer selection, one thing is for sure. Lunaris is going to make an example of all of them. His frustration about his father being a coward has made him a ruthless, merciless, alien guy who is going to prove the Moon's superiority to the World.
Now that's downright sadistic Lunaris.
When you said you wanted the Earthlings to fear you and the Moon... you really mean it.
Well, that was all I got to say about the future events of this season. Hope this helps and I can't wait for September, the Hype is killing me slowly.
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Sinnerman: A not so Mini meta post anymore...
Due to my time restrictions but my desire to write this I decided that a quick meta post was in order before the weekend and certainly before 3x02. Yet be warned that this might turn a bit longer that I expect to myself... We have several clues on who Sinnerman might be and the good thing is that we can think outside the box with Lucifer the show. This is not Supernatural and so we have a mythos to rely on which comes from 150(!) comic-book/graphic novels!
So let’s begin with the clues from the interviews:
What makes the Sinnerman a different kind of antagonist than ones we’ve seen before?
Modrovich: He’s a badass. But what you also find is that he does have a hidden history with some characters in our show that come out and Lucifer has to face off against.
Henderson: We look at him like a bizarre reflection of Lucifer. We learn in an upcoming episode that he also gives out favors, but his are a little bit more nefarious. When this guy gives out favors, you’re really dreading the payment that you’ll have to give. So it’s sort of the Devil facing a dark reflection of himself.
What can you say about the Sinnerman’s intentions in kidnapping Lucifer?
Henderson: The Sinnerman’s the kind of person who knows that putting angel wings on the Devil will only drive him deeper in the other direction. So Lucifer, whether he likes it or not, is being manipulated.
Modrovich: And that Sinnerman has a motivation in taking Lucifer into the desert that’s other than the wings. He has this specific motivation that we will reveal to you throughout the entire season. He has a personal reason.
“Our friend Lieutenant Pierce suggests to Lucifer that he knows about the Sinnerman and they start to collaborate together in this tangled web that we weave in Season 3,” Ellis reveals to TV Guide.
HENDERSON: Yeah, and at the end of the first episode, we get this first clue as to who this person might be, and realizing it might be a darker force than he’s encountered previously.
To Summarise the above Sinnerman:
1) Has hidden history with some characters in our show - Meaning more than one. Pierce for sure but also Lucifer apparently.
2) We look at him like a bizarre (dark) reflection of Lucifer - Is that even possible to be darker than Lucifer himself I will say yes because I have a few theories on that but you will have to scroll further down for them. 3) He gives out nefarious favours with high stake payments - This alone gives us a hint on what or who we are looking for. 4) Sinnerman knew how to give Lucifer his wings and that it would cause Lucifer to act in a certain way - Meaning not only he has the knowledge of how to handle and manipulate divinity but also knows Lucifer... Really knows Lucifer...
5) Sinnerman gave Lucifer his wings for a certain reason which Henderson might have revealed above. He has a personal reason to do that... - This info again limits the suspects quite a lot but never ever forget that this is not a show based on the angels we know but its foundations are in a mythos woven by Sandman and Lucifer the comics... 6) Finally, Marcus Pierce will have to admit that he knows about Sinnerman which will lead to a weird partnership with different agendas between Lucifer and Marcus.
7) It is given by Henderson as a darker force Lucifer has ever faced before...
What we know from the show and most importantly 3x01:
(At this point of the post I realised it was never meant to be a small one *sigh*)
He was just a routine gig.I was gonna swap him for you, but when I went to pull you out of the van, you you had friggin' wings, man!
What we know from the kidnapper is that he just had to get him out of the van not that he actually kidnapped him! So that means that we may have a three-act play.
Lucifer when he is contemplating how he was kidnapped he says “...-how were they able to render me unconscious? Either they used some kind of celestial weapon, or the detective was nearby.” He never thinks that there might have been a celestial being but we saw the weapon they used so we should at this point leave out Chloe’s presence near the hospital out of the picture and focus on that the kidnapper might have indeed used something of celestial origin... As we know from the piece celestial toys were left on earth along with a Summerian (Assyrian really...) manual... The second is how did he get his wings? Well, here we have again Lucifer’s reasoning to play with although I don’t agree with that much it gives me again hint: “Did my Father give you some kind of totem? A talisman? - What?”
At this point, the writers through Lucifer give us another good hint and it is closely connected to the next quote but seriously think about it... In Lucifer’s reasoning, an object can hold mystical powers enough to give him back his wings. In not so many words, magic is getting into the Lucifer (Tv Show) mythology finally... Divine power is one thing but infused and transportable as magic can be a complicated notion to conceive and handle yet...
And I don't know your dad. Unless, is your, is your dad the Sinnerman?
I was rewatching that scene but I wonder if the guy had made the connection with Lucifer’s insistence that some kind of dark magic for the lack of better word was in the mix. Funny... because why would a man who knew Sinnerman assume so easily that a feathered Lucifer could be the son of Sinnerman if Sinnerman did not hold a certain unearthly charisma himself? Of course that’s just speculation.
Finally, in 3x01 even Lucifer acknowledges that:
At first, I thought it was a an emissary on Earth working on Dad's behalf, but then, the more I think about it, the more I think maybe this isn't our Father who art in Heaven at all. But something much, much darker.
The above is actually a pretty good connection link to the comics... But anyway Lucifer says this is something much, much darker and Amenadiel’s expression was giving away something the first time I watched the episode but I cannot be sure. Still, Amenadiel’s not so obvious reaction had me thinking that as the firstborn in the show he preceded Lucifer and knew quite a few things from an era before the light aka Lucifer was born... Although we do know that Mum had the same power aka to illuminate the universe...
A clue from Twitter yesterday from Ildy had me thinking again of the usual suspects but you have to be aware of something. I can only speculate on comic characters or characters that may be based on the comics. Certain elements from the show appear on and off in the tv series like the “space vagina” That was actually taken from the first issues of Lucifer and is shown near the end as well.
So Ildy says that something might have indeed escaped Hell... Hmmm... What we can also speculate is that as Marcus is hunting down Sinnerman, this season’s bad guy only recently found his way to L.A. but the second season would have been enough for him to grow out of favours and establish a mob persona strong enough to get to L.A. and target Lucifer when Mum was gone... We might even suspect that Mum was but a diversion for Lucifer, Sinnerman created for him to make sure he was safe before he started plotting.... Of course, we cannot speculate everything. I’m sure that the writers have come up with some crazy and absurd details I cannot speculate about but that’s the thing, I can get to the comics and try to see who the usual suspects might be... Right now I have two comic book, inspired perhaps than transferred from the comic book universe to the show, characters that might be Sinnerman. And then a third speculation... The first but not the best candidate for Sinnerman’s real identity is Dumas. I’ll just copy paste his info here:
Duma is a fallen angel from the DC Vertigo series The Sandman. Before The Sandman
Duma's name means "silence", and he is based on the angel Duma from Jewish mythology. In those tales, he is the angel of silence and death's stillness. According to these same stories, he is the guardian of Egypt and the prince of vindication. Based on this, one could speculate that he was the angel who killed the firstborn Egyptians in Moses' time. Some sources also name him a "Prince of Hell".
The Zohar, a book of Jewish mysticism, describes his position in Hell as such that he had "tens of thousands of angels of destruction" under him, and that he was "chief of demons in Gehinnon with 12,000 myriads of attendants, all charged with the punishment of the souls of sinners."
Dumah is also the name given to the guardian of the 14th gate, through which the goddess Ishtar passed on her journey to the underworld in Babylonian mythology. Dumah may or may not be related to Duma.
In The Sandman
In Season of Mists, we find that Lucifer has closed down Hell in frustration, and given the key to Dream. Eventually, after much squabbling between various gods, Duma and Remiel are assigned to assume control of Hell, and Duma accepts this.
After The Sandman
Following the end of The Sandman series, Remiel and Duma lose ownership of Hell in the Lucifer spin-off series. Duma eventually allies with Lucifer and Elaine Belloc to save creation, and persuades Hell's new ruler Christopher Rudd to bring his army to Heaven's aid at the Battle of Armageddon.
The second and the one I’m rooting more than Duma is The Silk Man...
Appearing for the first time in Lucifer: Nirvana, The Silk Man is an immortal sorcerer, described by Lucifer as
"..a fossil remnant from an earlier, cruder creation. His body is a weaving that has to be renewed constantly. His spirit too, come to that. A messy form of immortality, but it seems to do the job." In earlier days he was the leader of the Arao Jinn. He appears as a mercenary, hired by the angel Perdissa to kill Lucifer. He seems to need to consume living things to stay alive, weaving them into himself. He is severely damaged by Perdissa and eventually killed by Lucifer.
The Silk Man seems to be closely connected to my third speculation and as such it might be a merge of the two... In the comics, God admits that he was created by an external force and we do know that darker things lying around the cosmos and outside The Creation... Darker, twisted and defeated by Dad... Still, where would all these defeated “things” go? In Hell I suppose...
Following a mythology of Zeus and how he enprisoned the Titans under the Earth, we can say that this is a popular mythos to follow with one crucial flow. What precedes you have the knowledge of how to overpower you in time... Amenadiel might have been around at that point and might had to help Him to get rid some of them Sinnerman included..... Now The Silk Man was killed by Perdissa... But I suspect that Lucifer’s light bringing power which freed Mum might come back for that task... If you need more info about that just read Lucifer: Nirvana. Lucifer Issue 75 also has a good interaction of our hero with The Sillk Man as well though....
Anyway to finish this post... I do not believe that Sinnerman is a mere human but at the same time I cannot believe he is a celestial being at least not in the sense we have known them to be in the tv series so far. So perhaps an external force whch we know they exist from the comics? Perhaps... Let’s not forget that the Sinnerman as a casting role is new so I doubt we will see for example Malcolm back or anything of that nature in our screens soon but to the ones who want to learn more about the external forces I’ll just leave you with Carey’s two answers on that matter on Twitter...
The Dream of a Thousand Cats is a darkish one... The allegory in that story where cats once ruled over people only for the past to change goes beyond your usual comic book standards (even for Sandman in my opinion) and the fourth wall sometimes shutters but it is what it is....
As the episodes come rolling I’ll probably change my conviction over who Sinnerman is but until then this post will have to do... I apologise for its length :P
#lucifer season 3#lucifer spoilers#lucifer 3x01#lucifer meta#lucifer speculation#Sanoiro just being crazy as usual#sanoiro ranting again
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