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[krinsbez]

Pulptober 2024, Themes Elaborated, Part Two. Days 6-10

Link to Part One

Once again, thanks to @maxwell-grant who once again helped me with assembling the lists of alternate examples. Characters who have a plus sign (+) next to their names were suggested by him. Characters with an asterisk (*) are ones where I have not consumed any source material (note that I'm including tie-in or revival media as source material).

6-Steve Canyon/Adventures In Exotic Places: This one is fairly self-explanatory, being stories about heroes who travel to places that are exotic to the average reader. Alts: Terry Lee and Co., Ben Quorn the Gunga Sahib*+, Allan Quatermain

7-The Phantom/Beyond Their Homeland: I will admit this one and the ones before and after kinda blend together. The idea was that these are characters who are associated in-universe primarily with countries other than those where they were created out-of-universe. Alts: Lupin III*, Blake and Mortimer, Blacksad.

8-Barbarella/Pulp From Around The World. This one is, basically, to celebrate Pulp Heroes from outside the Anglosphere, but thanks to @maxwell-grant I have examples of this in many categories. Alts: Mexican Fantomas*, Zigomar+*, Ogon Bat*

9- The Lone Ranger/Weapons of Justice: For some reason, it is A Thing that many Pulp Heroes have an signature, unique weapon. This day is for them. Alts: Heiji Zenigata*+, The Avenger, The Sandman

10-Dark Agnes/Iconoclastic Icons: These are characters who go drastically against social norms of the society they exist in, the society they were created in, or both, beyond the general genre conventions. This one is a bit twitchy, I will grant. Captain Tempesta*+, Raffles (if you go with the Headcanon that he's gay), Golden Amazon*

Hrrmph, bit disappointed with myself with this set.

[l6sadi]

[detshin]

Shinichi and Kaito but they are Jigen and Lupin.

(and Heiji is Goemon of course)

(I kept looking at them and thinking something looked off, and then I realised that Jigen and Lupin always wear their jackets open... but I ain't changing that at this point come on. So let's pretend they are open yeah?)

[cryptablog]

I could spend up to an hour discussing how Japan and Korea treats skin color and equates it to goodness and evil as dark and light and how they frequently make a morally grey character dark just to lighten their skin over time as they become "better" people or gives the black features to show immaturity and a reason to distrust them. While the whiter features show grace and rebirth and TRUE beauty and safety.

But I simply dont have the time.

So instead Here's every character I've ever seen this happen to PERSONALLY.

-Serizawa Katsuya (hair)

-Ussop (skin)

-Sailor Pluto (Skin)

-Wolfwood (skin)

-Blackbeard (skin and hair)

-Phoenix Wright (Skin and hair)

-Zak Gramarye (Skin)

-Lotta Hart (Hair)

-Jigen Daisuke (Skin)

-Goemon Ishikawa XIII (Skin)

-Zenigata Heiji (Skin)

-Marina (Skin)

[Lemme explain THIS actually, cause just saying "sanrio's racist" isnt enough. They saw a dark skinned character from they're OWN media and thought well she's happy and good and kind. She can't be dark skinned. And its not like they dont have dark brown fabric since most of the dolls they make from shows and stuff have BROWN hair. Example: genshin. =/ They have the material but shes not EVIL so she COULDN'T BE DARK. Not to them]

Add more characters if you want I just wanted to prove a point

[sournote2014]

The Zenigata-Heiji TV series theme always reminded me of Henry Mancini.

[kazimakuwabara]

Some art of Oshizu, Heiji, And Ishikawa from my Handcuffs Over Coins story. A lovely lil’ ghost throuple. :>

[sournote2014]

The one with his hand on his hat was definitely taken from the manga.

who wants some… green jacket Secret of Mamo!Zenigata

[maxwell-grant]

Since it's been going around, how would various pulp heroes take on the Death Note murders, and would they survive the ordeal?

A couple of clarifications:

There is a possibility that Ogon Bat, who is a "God of Justice", is either already some kind of shinigami, or at least able to speak with and interact with Ryuk just fine.

The Golden Amazon and Emilia the Ragdoll could definitely kick Kira's ass and solve the case, but they absolutely should not be aware of the existence of the Death Note, that would just make things worse.

You'd think The Monarch / The Blue Morpho getting his hands on the Death Note would be an equally apocalyptic scenario but I don't think he'd even know what to do with it. He very clearly just wants to get one guy, and became the Blue Morpho so he could kill everyone standing in the way of getting that guy, and he's very clearly been putting off killing that one guy for years now. The Death Note is the solution to a problem he defines his life around trying and failing to solve. He'd be stumped.

Doc Savage, well on one hand of course he would solve the case, he's Doc Savage, if Kira was in a Doc Savage story the whole Shinigami business would have been smoke and mirrors perpetrated by criminals with access to a heart attack inducing machine with a perfectly logical explanation. On the other hand, Doc Savage is one of the only guys in here who is globally famous with his full name and face on the papers, so realistically Kira would nail him very quickly. I'm gonna split the difference by saying Doc would solve the case either way.

Nick Carter does most of the things Doc Savage does except he actually does regularly encounter weird fantastical kitchen sink bullshit on the regular, so I think he'd have a much easier time wrapping his head around the Death Note's particulars.

The Spider would not intuit the mechanics of the Death Note, he probably would not be aware of there even being a thing as a Death Note, but by the end of the story in the last paragraph he would have killed Kira one way or another, very possibly by accident. Same goes for the sword-n-sorcery characters featured there, they would have gotten their kills by the end of it (Spear would probably have the easiest time, he's just a caveman with a giant tyrannosaurus on his side and neither of them have names Light can use to kill them, he's fucked)

Six-Gun Gorilla does have a name that Light could use, but A: He would never find out, B: He would never think a gorilla would be his undoing, and C: There's a decent chance Ryuk would let the gorilla hunt and kill him because it's funny and so would be handing Six-Gun Gorilla the Death Note.

Nyctalope would probably survive Kira's usual method of execution given his heart is artificial, but I don't think he'd be able to crack the case, he's not much of a detective. A lot of these characters were chosen because they have different skillsets that don't make them as suited for uncovering this case regardless of how smart they are.

There is a decent chance that Hugo Danner would figure out Kira by complete accident, and most likely beg Light to find a way to kill him.

Nick and Nora Charles would not solve it but they'd be okay, the case would probably solve itself and they'd laugh it off.

I could also put Blue Morpho, El Sombra, The Whisperer, Black Bat and Hugo Danner in a "Would somehow make the situation worse" category.

Putting the names of the characters below the cut:

Can intuit the mechanics / Can solve the case -The Shadow, Arsene Lupin, Sherlock Holmes, Mexican Fantomas -Heiji Zenigata, Ogon Bat, Thomas Carnacki, Silver John/John the Balladeer, Sar Dubnotal -Nero Wolfe, Tom Strong, Tesla Strong, Nick Carter, Captain Harlock, Golden Amazon -Ducky (Lavender Jack), Rufus Carter, Theresa Ferrier (Lavender Jack), Emilia the Ragdoll, Carmen Sandiego, Rocambole

Can intuit the mechanics / Could not solve the case -The Spirit, The Phantom, Edison Hark (The Good Asian), Lavender Jack -G-8, Green Lama, Peter Cannon, Jules Grandin, Wesley Dodds, Judex -Indiana Jones, Spider-Man Noir, John Blacksad, John Thunstone, Nyctalope, Tintin, Solomon Kane

Cannot the mechanics / Can solve the case -The Spider, The Avenger, Doc Savage, Honoria Crabb -Assane Diop, Conan the Barbarian, Lobster Johnson, Tarzan, Dick Tracy -Flash Gordon, Professor Challenger, Red Sonja, Scrooge McDuck, Imaro -Byomkesh Bakshi, Six-Gun Gorilla, Spear (Primal), Black Terror, The Blue Morpho

Cannot intuit the mechanics / Could not solve the case -Moon Man, Green Hornet & Kato, Lone Ranger, The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh -Phillip Marlowe, Domino Lady, Rocketeer, Miss Fury, Hugo Danner, John Carter -Zorro, Black Bat, El Sombra, Shaft, Sailor Steve Costigan -Darkman, The Whisperer, Nick & Nora Charles, Crimson Clown

[couldtheycatchkira]

[nezumikozo6th]

Pulptober 2024 Day 30-Hero in Adaptation-Hanshichi

Hanshichi Torimonocho is an ancient Japanese detective novel series written by Okamoto Kido,the first half of which was serialised in the Monthly Kabuki Review Magazine in the late 1920s,early 1930s.It tells the story of a reporter in the Meiji era who interviewed Hanshichi,a detective who solved many crimes in the Edo period,and the past investigative achievements of the old man are composed in the form of short stories to make the entire series.What many people don’t know is that the reporter is not entirely fictional character:Kido accidentally met an old man named Hanshichi who used to be a goyoukiki(Unofficial collaborator of the Japanese police at the time),and often listen to him talk about his criminal investigation experience,he adapted them for that groundbreaking dime novel series.

It's difficult to determine which of these stories are based on Hanshichi's real-life experiences and which are entirely fictional, and he doesn't seem to have left much record of his life outside of Okamoto's work.Regardless,his novel incarnation became the first detective in Torimonocho fiction,which is a Japanese creative theme that combines the Edo period background and mystery plot.Hanshichi does not have criminal investigation equipment and scientific knowledge from the modern period,he solves cases primarily through reasoning,intuition, connections,and knowledge of Japanese society at the time,and is willing to use eavesdropping,rumors,or other tricks to obtain evidence when necessary.It is understandable in an era before there're computers,cars and test tubes.

Just like what happened after Sherlock Holmes became famous,after Hanshichi Torimonocho became the first Torimonocho work,this theme spawned many works,and it has been adapted into stage plays and TV series many times.The more famous works of later Torimonocho novels include Zenigata Heiji Torimonocho,Umon Torimonocho,Sashichi Torimonocho and Young Samurai Torimonocho.

(Editorial:QuaterniFecha de edición,2014)

Hanshichi,played by Kazuo Hasegawa

[wuxiaphoenix]

Worldbuilding: The Struggles of Peace

Wars are big. Wars are colorful. Wars are Dramatic; at least as Hollywood does them.

War is also pretty much the default state of human beings, as far back as we can check. Yes, humans have instincts to be kind, altruistic, and caring... to others in our in-group. Those outside the group are either ignored, or targets.

Peace, on the other hand, is neither natural nor easy. Peace takes hard work, determination, and the occasional cracking of a non-peaceful skull. And it all has to be done in a way the majority of people involved can live with, or it all frays at the seams.

War and action type stories are interesting in part because you get to show how far characters can go and still be good people. Peacetime stories are interesting because your characters have to work within limits.

It’s like poetry. Free verse can be expressive, rhythmic, and powerful. But I’ve always appreciated the skill involved in expressing yourself in a tanka, sonnet, or ballad. When you have a set of rules, you have to be creative!

You also have to know which set of rules your characters are working under. Often there are several. Written laws? Professional codes of ethics? Social rules? Family customs? A lot of tension can come from a character deciding he’s going to have to break some rules to solve the problem, and he has to decide which rules can be broken, which can’t, and what price he’s willing to pay.

This is a big thing in a lot of works in Regency or Victorian settings. There are people you can talk to, people you must not, and certain subjects that absolutely Cannot Be Discussed Ever.

Except that realistically speaking they have to be discussed at some point. Hopefully before someone dies. And then social fallout ensues.

I used Regency and Victorian because those are familiar to a lot of readers, but honestly, up until fairly modern times, strict social rules about who could freely communicate with whom were common most places. And the unwritten rules you had to follow to avoid a breath of scandal or be ruined - meaning eventually dead, from lack of support or work....

There’s a neat example of “working within the rules to keep peace” in the first episode of Season 2 of Zenigata Heiji (see the Samurai vs. Ninja channel). Long story short, a ring of thieves figured out ways to implicate respectable shops in crimes. Meaning even when the police know who and where they are and could catch them... if the gang goes to trial and any implications come out, the businesses involved will be devastated. Leading to most of the families and employees being condemned to starvation or suicide.

If only, muse Heiji and his boss, there were a legal way to catch the gang without the case going to trial....

(It’s risky, but yes. There is.)

And if you want to see the effort needed to keep as much possible peace in a society at war, I recommend the series Foyle’s War. An inspector trying to solve murders and bring criminals to justice in WWII England has a heck of a job on his hands.

One episode ends with a murderer taunting Foyle, and... well. Here’s from Wikiquote.

Howard Paige: You sound like a sore loser. You know what the French say? "C'est la guerre."

Foyle: Precisely, Mr. Paige. "It's the war." And no war has lasted forever, and neither will this one. A year, maybe ten, but it will end. And when it does, Mr. Paige, you will still be a thief, a liar, and a murderer, and I will not have forgotten. And wherever you are, I will find you. You're not escaping justice, merely postponing it. Au revoir.

Stories with action are good. Stories with justice, even if it can’t be today - those take a skilled touch.

What kind of rules do you want your characters to break? What do you want them to uphold at all costs?

[p5popquiz]

[sherlockholmesbracket]

last sherlock for today can't promise later might think of more [i'm sorry] zenigata heiji! this could be categorized as a stretch but as far as my research shows he was made as japan's response to sherlock back in 1931. he is listed as a consulting detective and also has a watson of sorts in hachi who keeps him grounded. he isn't a drug addict as far as i can tell but he does have addiction problems. it was kinda hard to find information on him honestly but he did seem to be made as a response to sherlock at the very least

While in some ways a response he sends to share very few traits with the character. A tentative no, but if there's details people feel qualify him, please do let me know!

[knittinglizards]

a semi-serious zenigata episode!?

if there are any more red jacket eps where fujiko is with the group at the beginning then when the plot starts she leaves i hope i remember and take note of it bc the one time was like really funny

[sournote2014]

He's known Lupin for a long time, so why is he thinking this, despite the fact that he'd be unhappy if Lupin were executed? So he can get the power? So he can win the challenge? So he can prove he's the world's greatest policeman?

Looking at this scene again, his reaction is compared directly with Goemon's. In the deleted opening, he is distraught when it seems like Lupin is killed. His feelings are incredibly complicated.

I wonder what Gorô Naya thought?

[littleeyesofpallas]

Zenigata Heiji Torimono Hikae[銭形平次捕物控]: Zenigata Heiji Capture(&)Restrain