#he didn't give any justice to guren at all

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The manipulative, toxic, unhealthy and possessive relationship mahiru-guren. Part 1..

Can I say that they relationship is built towards love? No, not at all. Can I say that was love between guren and mahiru from both parts? No, absolutely not (even so kagami tried to make them a couple in catastrophe so bad, like it was the most beautiful and innocent love, when actually their interection is not more than toxic, unhealthy and extremely manipulative something that love or care shouldn’t be, that is not love, not all end always good, but this kind of interaction end hurt, disgraceful and deathly not even with all about her demon's possession to make her look like a victim could make this a good romantic love, bcs is not something that stop them to have a relationship) There wasn't never love at all in mahiru's part and guren's part. Their relationship was built upon manipulation from mahiru'part.

Guren was just an innocent sweet child that doesn't know anything about life and I can't blame him for not being able to see that is bad and cruel people out there in the world,he has (and have) an innocent and sweet heart, he is ignorant about so many things, even about manipulation, vengeance, abuse, and control and he just know his people and even he is training try to have a normal life, even so that he is being educated in an exaggerated and unhealthy way, as the next head of the family would be and carrying on his shoulders responsibilities that a child of his age should not, and is not wrong for him to train, but not to make him assume so much responsibility for people's lives and that is something that Mahiru used to her advantage to force him to protect her, in other words she exploited everything what she saw in guren as a child for her needs. Mahiru, was a vengeful girl who knew what she wanted and what she was doing, she is not a cute or innocent girl. Maybe some people see their interection since child like cute, innocent and sweet but is not the case. She knew that the Ichinose family would pay for her actions, even so she did not care and her actions are selfish one, something a child shouldn’t  know about that. But she knew her family was following her if not, why she would go there in the first place? she get free will when they go look for her and she already know guren would cover her up and they would be hurt and still she did not care and does nothing that manipulate and use guren at her will.

Mahiru does nothing but build guren's mind on manipulation since 5.

Manipulative, narcissistic since 5.

1: "lives is a fantasy world which may include, flirting, affairs and dream of unlimited success and will lie and distort facts and change events to suit their one agenda"

Vol 6 manipulation facts: “Rather serious wounds. Are you being bullied?”“Then why did you suffer such serious injuries?”“What kind of training?”“Eh. Then Guren must be strong.”If I say that I am the fairy of this forest, what are you going to do?”“I have no parents.”“If you want me to tell you. Come here at this time to bath again tomorrow. Then you will be able to see me again.”“Have you ever despised training?”“Has Guren been in a relationship before? Do you have a girl you like or something like this?”“What kind of boy do you want to grow up to be?”“What happens if you become strong?”

2: And here start a classic manipulative behavior. manipulator “(makes) a small request that you agree to, which is followed by the real request. It’s harder to say no, because you’ve already said yes…Now it’s all about them and their complaints, and you’re on the defense.”

“Everything?! If so, then if I ask you to bring some cake here, can you do it?”“You can’t do anything right?”“Then let’s have it next time. Remember to prepare it, Guren.”“Eh, you want a girl to prepare it?”“Furthermore, Guren will definitely become strong one day and get a cake for me right?”“Then I’ll wait until Guren becomes strong.”“That’s okay. But you must let me become a cute bride.”“Guren’s cute bride. I want to be someone like this in the future.”“Is it because you think that that might make me happy?”“I love most.”“I love Guren.”“Must there be a reason for our encounter?”“Never mind. I have already checked that there is no one here. Also, even if I am being found, Guren will become strong and protect me right?”“Hmm. Yeah. Because talking with the child of trash Ichinose House, must be the thing father despise most.However……”“However, things did not progress as smoothly. Because the child of the Ichinose House is too cute, I accidentally fell in love.”“After we become adults……that, we, can we marry?”“Like how we are now. Can we be together forever?

3:THEY WEAKEN YOUR SELF-CONFIDENCE: “Emotional manipulators seek out the vulnerabilities of people in order to exploit them. In fact, they may consciously or unconsciously create relationships with people who are the most vulnerable and willing to be controlled"

Even guren in this chapter feel he have some sense of self-worth, he believe he is strong and he is doing it for his people, he didn't give a crap about hiragi's issue toward them, but that didn't last because she put in his brain that little worth must be to protect her and save her, She destroyed his little self worth and built a new one, about not being strong enough to protect her and stay with her. She over flatter him in a way that is not seen sincere and actually it wasn’t bcs she went there with darkness porpuse. She was manipulating guren and others to get her way. That's why guren think he love her (In fact, Guren was never able to know or understand what he really felt for her, because he just have doubts and question himself about what ties him to her all the time). Because she was broken him down and built him back up to believe it. It wasn't an accident. And yeah people can say nothing of this is like that and is exaggerate bcs she was a child, but a child don't do this to other people, she knew everything she was doing, everything.

Grow up guren and more facts upon her manipulation, control and abuse.

4:"Guilty trips to control, expert at using Passive aggressive behavior to hurt, bullying, arrogant, acts superior to people close to them, anger, violence, abuse, use guilt, charm, hope, love, obligation, fear or confusion to get what they want"

Vol 2: “Enough of that. Keep quiet” tinge of anger colored her voice.(this is control and not a nice way to treat guren by the way and get angry with a person for no reason is not be good).“And a thug like you has learned how to flatter people?”( thug? For real? since when guren is a thug to her? when  she saw guren like that? that is not even being nice or treat a person how should be treat)

And here cames sayuri's part in by the way she was observing the situation and "helps" when guren try to stop the massacre that sheishiro was doing to her. She doesn't care about sayuri at all bcs she could stop it before but after guren show up she doesn’t move a finger to help her, so  she used that opportunity to make feel guren worthless."With your power, you won’t win against Seishirou. If you go, you’ll be murdered.”(drown him down, this is not care) “Don’t tell me you intend to murder someone here?”( didn't she do that? how much hypocrisy can be show in her words?) “Here, your attendant.”( treat sayuri like trash bcs is the way she see people and is true and throw sayuri at guren as an object that is worth nothing). “I hate getting apologies from you. Especially, from the you who is always weak and cannot protect a girl…” ( guilty trips and treat a person like worthless crap, the worst thing is that she says it in front of everyone else, humiliating him, punishing him as if he was absolutely worthless, and as if guren owed something to her, like blaming him for not protect her when she was a child, bcs this words are to herself not from sayuri or other girl. what make her diferent from her family when she is too pride of herself and even is worse than anybody on that school).

Guren was trying to live his life but this get worse upon more and more about a possessive, obsessive and manipulative interection. You don't drown down people you love and humiliate him like he doesn't worth anything. She is false, her kindness is false and is hipocrite with people around her and that is a fact. A healthy relationship doesn't drag you down it inspires you to be better. It support you and guren is not her property and he owes nothing to her.

“Because Mahiru-san is your lover, is she not?”But Guren laughed in response.“I’m not stupid enough to make a woman I haven’t seen in ten years my lover.” “Ahaha, I see.” “Exactly.” “But there’s still an attachment, no?” “No.” “No no, there is. The fact that your power—is at a much higher level for someone your age, is all because to rescue Mahiru-san from the Hiiragi House……”“I already said there isn't”“ Mahiru-san said that she still likes you. She wanted to be together with you. She said to achieve this, she was willing to do anything, even betray her own family.”“It doesn’t matter. You seem to have misunderstood, I didn’t become strong because of her……”

First than anything she is no one to obligated a person to stay with her or love her, that is not more than being a controlling and a psycho person. Saito is already saying she wants to achieve this, be the most powerful, even if that means kills many people on the ways like if they weren’t exist in the first place, bcs she is the one that is suffering so much, and those people out there are worthless objects.

Guren, after no seeing her for ten years still have some sense of self-worth, and honestly he thinks that met her was just a childhood thing and was an ignorant, can we see guren was an innocent child? he even think if he was capatable to defeat her, but met her again, make guren feel worthless bcs of her control and manipulation towards him. If guren did not feel that he was self-worth, even a little, why hide his power? He himself knows he is strong, he analyzes the attack patterns of the others, he is smart on his own right. But according to mahiru, nothing that what you are or obtain on your own merit is useful, power is obtained by committing atrocities, which makes guren feel useless, someone who has no value not only as a person but also as a human being, mahiru does nothing but abuse and destroy other people morally, psychologically, emotionally and physically to achieve her goals.

Can you see the difference between guren without her and guren close to her?

She wear him down his self-esteem and undermine his mental health and she's been doing it since kids, when guren is close to her, even since child, one can see, she bit chips away he's self-esteem and there is when he begin to doubt his perceptions and reality. Guren always feel wounded, frustrated, confused, misunderstood, depressed, anxious, or worthless any time he interact with her and that is no more than being emotionally abuse. And all of this start in their first meet, everybody forget that guren start to feel weak when he couldn’t protect her? (and even having 24 still thinks that he was weak for that reason? and that wasn’t more than mental abuse from her. When actually she was strong and have more free that what she was saying?) Guren with the real people he loves is mentally healthy, smiles, trust, care about the world and has fun, if we believe that his relationship with mahiru from child made guren happy, is wrong, because it caused pain and problems to his family and him, and did nothing but break him down, emotionally and physically, and mahiru did nothing but brainwashed him that he would marry her. Even when Guren grew up, he saw again that the power he seek and wanted was to protect his family. For the first time in his life, he finds value, ideals and belief about friendship, loving and protecting his loved ones, by will, beyond what was instilled in him since he was a child, he does it because he loves them because they support him and they see in him the real guren and not the guren that mahiru wants to force to be, that's not love, guren has no responsibility for mahiru, she forces him to have it because she brainwashed him that that's his responsibility towards her. Guren believe he is a damn rat and all of that is cause for her, bcs he didn’t see himself like that when was a child, but who forced him to feel worthlless? Can you see the difference about guren living in reality with his beloved ones and fantasy with her?

She was telling to saito since child she just want one thing, guren, and like she is a hiragi she could have whatever she wanted, even if that means make guren surrender to her bcs she see him like her property not as a person. Can you see that this was never about shinoa? She wanted to be a queen is other hiragi more, hungry power and have whatever she wanted no matter what, so if she has to eliminate every person guren could love, then why not, and make guren to do it better to her.  Puppy guren is what she see on him. She is not capable of having things without forcing them, she has to take it, and if it is not as she wants, she tortures, manipulates, destroys or kills.

“Don’t say such cruel things.”“So powerful…… You’ve really become stronger, Guren. Was it because of me?”“No.”“Ah, no?”“Aah, no. Don’t make me repeat myself.”Mahiru was not pleased and bit her lip. Guren had seen this expression before. When they were younger, he had seen it on several occasions. Mahiru had always asked if Guren liked her, and when he had always evaded her questions, she would have that expression on her face. “Really……? The reason why I became stronger was because I wanted to be with Guren.”“Fu, fufu…… Once you have the power, it becomes very enjoyable. Isn’t that how you feel, Guren? To let your body become so strong like now you have to be completely immersed in it.”“But the physical body has a limit. I can’t reach a higher level with this. “I guess I can say that it’s almost done. But, Guren. Even with just this, I’m already undefeatable, right?”“Ah, aren’t you being a bit hypocritical? As if you have never made any similar sacrifices…… You have got to be kidding? In order to get this strong, I think you must have also given up something.”“Wasn’t this what we agreed to that day? Under the blue sky, on the green grass. How can you protect something if you don’t have power? Even the people you care about, you cannot protect. Even the important things, you cannot protect. That’s why you need power. Me too, you too…… Right, Guren?”“Why don’t you come with me? If you do, you can also become this powerful. With me together, to make this power complete…… To make it…… complete.”Don’t… don’t come here, Guren. I’m already…… I’m already swallowed by the…… «Kiju». It, it was a failure…… I, I’m already, not…… shut up, shut up! I’m not swallowed up yet! I still have a lot more power…… A whole lot more power……”“I really like you.”“I’m going to ask you again, Guren. Do you want to come together with me?”Guren replied. “No.”“You will gain more power.”“Not interested.”“Ahaha. It looks like Guren really hates me now.”She sounded a little sad. However, Guren replied,“That’s not the problem. The power I seek is not the same as yours.”“Really?”“Really.”“Alright…… But when did we become this different?”“I like you, Guren.”She said.“This is my true feeling. So, I will always wait…… always wait for the day you need me again.”

To her, people are not more than trash that killing each others, but she has the right to killed them? And that is not bad at all? So that make her innocent, victim and a saviour? There is no need to sacrifice people, to become strong, guren is right, she seeks power to dominate, to control, to be on top, guren does not seek that, and for mahiru, her mind does not reach more than seeking power through diabolical things and atrocities. And if there is something that she loves, it is that power that she uses while committing atrocities. And why guren should be the hypocrite here?, if he has become strong without going that far, in fact he is stronger and smarter than anyone in that school, even more than the jujo, goshi and sangu, and he has shown it.

She used her love bombing towards guren can we talk here that mahiru already knows what she wanted, that her goal, was guren, no save the damn world, and yes i know she is possess (but even so she still is her true self and she doesn’t change since child, bcs still is manipulative, controller, egoist, selfish and does not support that others go against her will) and she knows what the hell she is doing and saying, she is aware of everything and doesn’t feel a damn remorse about all of that and people is gonna say, demons use her desire, etc, but her desire is power, nothing more and how manipulate guren about her demon’s issue. Can we talk here how she uses her demons possession to make guren feel pity towards her, can you see her clear manipulation on how she acusses of doing things guren is not doing\things she is doing and how she think guren and her were equals and how he didn’t give a crap about her. She wasn’t capatable to understand and know guren a little. She pleading, begging and repeating something over and over until he wear down. Crying, acting dependant, despondent,sulking and withdrawing. Lack sympathy for others, especially those she exploit (guren) she is not looking to love him, she is looking to control him.

mahiru met guren since 5 and after 10 years she used love bombing that is when someone overwhelms another with attention, flattery and adoration. Is yet another manipulation tactic used by narcissist’s. While there are many reasons behind why a narcissist love bombs, those reasons are typically selfish ones. It’s used by someone to receive a certain result from another person. Whether it’s control or receiving adoration back there are many reasons someone love bombs. Are a false illusion by someone who (most likely) has not fallen in love. It is a form of manipulation and once she feels you are “easily controllable,” the love bombs disappear and emotional abuse sets in and can be used as a way of “trapping” or “buttering someone up” to convince them to be in a relationship. Then once their in a relationship, narcissistic abuse sets in.

Their interaction wasnt a met between two innocent childs was plan and research about a little boy, they relationship start from hurt other people and was more interaction than relationship bcs they don’t know  each other, not from child and less from teenagers. He force himself to love her by her look, godness, fairy, most beautiful girl and the most victim from everybody. Is not more than a fantasy bond what guren had for her. She love him for his strength, for being strong. because if it wasn’t for that she would lost interest in him.There wasn't any sincere action from her towards guren, not even since child. Their interaction (not even relationship, bcs never was one in the firt place) Start: greedy Progress: lust End: pain

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Shinya getting mad at Guren is just 💔🥺👌♥️

Also: Goshi ships them. No doubt.

This is going to be a long one. But this scene is just so beautiful as a whole that I couldn't cut it.

"I'm really sorry, guys." He [Guren] looked at the white snow, "I'm a loser! I'm too weak. And I just can't give up my humanity."

Then he looked down again. They all stared at him surprised. No wonder, after all the sacrifices they and he had made by now.

"What do you mean by that?", Shinya asked.

"I don't want to lose my friends today," Guren answered.

"Whaaaaaat?" Goshi's voice echoed. Mito, Sayuri and Shigure looked at him stunned.

"Really?" asked Shinya. "You're kidding, right? Don't start that now!"

But Guren looked him resolutely in the eye. "Yes, I know", he said. "But still, there must be a way where nobody dies..."

"So many have died already, Guren!" Shinya said "And we killed most of them ourselves. You made that decision. And now? Are we supposed to back down? You can't be serious! Just because it looks like we're going to lose the game, we're supposed to just press pause and give up?"

Shinya glanced at their opponents that gathered at the end of the street. They'd be surprised, too, if Guren and his friends suddenly gave up. After all, if they had wanted to surrender, they could have done it much earlier.

"I don't know why I should save the world," Guren replied, "if I have to give up my friends to do it!"

"Because the world will end if you don't!"

"Yeah, but, still! I can't give up my friendships, just to move forward..."

"Guren!" Shinya interrupted him. "We're going to die either way, okay? We stood up to the Hiragis. That's what you wanted. And we went along with it because we believe in you."

"Maybe that was a mistake."

"Cut the crap now, will you? I'm not going to let us stop the game just because it looks bad ..."

"We don't have to stop it. We just need to find a new strategy."

"But there isn't!"

"I don't want to give up."

"There's no alternative, all right? Guren! It's always been like this. Ever since we were born, it's always been the same. Kill or be killed. Without sacrifice, you achieve nothing. That's just the way it is. So...that's why we... have to..." Tears appeared also in Shinya's eyes now.

"That's why," Guren continued for him, "that's why we should give up our human weaknesses on the last day? Didn't we agree that we would not sacrifice our humanity? We said that this is exactly why we will be there for each other. We said we'd only get ahead if we stuck together because we were just so unbearably weak."

With tears in his eyes, Shinya looked at him, and the eyes of the others were also fixed on Guren. They had risked their lives for him. How could Guren do them justice?

"Unlike us," he continued, "the rabbit was able to throw away its weaknesses and run away from us. We can't catch up with Mahiru. We are still in Shinjuku ... while history is being written in Ikebukuro. Who or what are we in this story? In any case, we are not superheroes. No one is the main character here. Ever since I was little, I knew that I certainly wouldn't be. Then, what am I? What do I live for? I have gathered comrades around me and made friends with them. And despite all the tremendous sacrifices, we remained just outsiders who achieved nothing while the world was ending. What do you call people like us? Scum? Toothless dogs? Failures? Yes, that's what we are. Total losers. But... anyway "He looked at his comrades who had relied on him so much. "If the world will end today and we're not able to do anything anyway, I'd like to die knowing that I haven't given up on my friends. That's what I want to fight for!"

Silently the others had listened to Guren and now Shinya frowned. Had Guren disappointed him? Of course he had. Shinya had followed him. He had trusted that babbling idiot.

"We're going to die anyway," Shinya said.

"Right." Guren didn't contradict him. "Even if we leave now, we'll die."

"Yeah."

"You're a coward!"

"Maybe. If you want to punch me ..." Guren finish his sentece, because Shinya had already lashed out and punched him forcefully in the face. Guren fell down and his sight went black. Everything was spinning, but at the same time he realized that he had more than deserved this blow. He could not undo what he had done. He could have done it all differently and better. Instead of suddenly getting weak now, he could have chosen a different path way earlier. Then there would never have been all this suffering and they would now calmly wait for the end as bystanders, while they ate Christmas cake together.

If only he had been as strong as his father, there would have been fewer deaths.

Guren's thoughts were racing. If he had followed his father's path, he and his comrades would have never become friends. Perhaps they would not even have met.

Instead, he had chosen Shibuya High School and met people he would never have met otherwise. Although he had known from the beginning that they were not the heroes of this story, he had tried by all means to shape his own future, and had now arrived here at this point.

And that meant...

He opened his eyes and looked into Shinya's unhappy face, then looked at his other friends.

"Shinya," he finally said.

"What?"

"Maybe we met precisely because we are so weak. If we give up our weaknesses and our lives now, there won't be anything left, will there? Even if we save the world, we would lose what makes us special. That's why, Shinya, I don't want that."

Shinya stared at him. "Fuck!" he cursed in a trembling voice. "What's this all at once?!" His fist, with which he had hit Guren, was also shaking. "I don't believe this! This is the end! The absolute end! What's this now, just before we're going to die either way?"

He contorted his face into a desperate grimace and looked as if he had to fight back tears.

"At least be honest and admit that you're just scared shitless!"

"Yeah, may be..."

"Or are you telling me that it's me who's shirking here? That I'm just playing the decoy and sacrificing myself because I... "

Shinya interrupted himself and stared at Guren. Then he took a deep breath. He put his hand on his chest and took a deep breath once, twice, three times.

"I see," he continued to speak calmly. "So that's how it is? Even if we split up, no one will ever arrive in Ikebukuro. We would only die with the feeling of having tried everything. But what else are we going to do? We want to remain friends and arrive in Ikebukuro alive together. Okay... Well... You want us to think about how we can do that, instead of just looking at the one solution, do I understand that correctly?"

Guren nodded. ,"Exactly! Put some effort into it, moron."

"Who are you calling a moron, moron?"

"You said," Guren remarked, "that we should keep going even though we are so weak earlier. Then take responsibility now."

"Excuse me?"

"You have to take responsibility too, after all, you wanted to be my friend."

"Whaaaaaat?!" Shinya burst out laughing. Mito, Goshi, Sayuri and Shigure also laughed. Their exasperation tipped over into silliness.

"Geez, for real now!" Shinya said. "I should have chosen my friends in a better way!"

And now for the fun part on which I barely chocked when I first read it at about 02:30 in the morning. I even had to take the book aside for a few minutes, smiling like and idiot and thinking: Goshi didn't say that did he? 😳😁😏 This man knows what's going on here.

Goshi now said: "Great! That's how I like it! The world is about to end, and at the last minute, this idiot here gets punched in the face! This is how I imagined high school life! Guys, I love you!"

"But," Shigure said, "you can't hit Master Guren!"

"My sentiments exactly," Sayuri agreed. "Well, considering the situation and the fact that the two of them get along well, we'll just let that pass. Just barely! For once, all right?"

"Really?" Goshi said "I don't believe it. Haven't you girls noticed yet what a passion is seething between those two?" He started laughing.

"Uh, yes, I have," Mito interjected, "I more or less understood that already, but ..."

"That's my Mito!" exclaimed Goshi freely. She ignored him and turned to Guren.

"Um, it's a little awkward for me, but ... honestly, I've always longed for something like this, too.... For such relationships ... For friendships that have nothing to do with position, reputation or grades, nor family or rank. I never thought I would ever experience something like this!"

Everyone looked at Mito for a moment, then Shinya reached out his helping hand to Guren, who was lying on the ground.

"Fair enough," he said. "But what about this last day of us being students? That's the question!"

Guren took Shinya's hand and pulled himself up.