#haha connor ur so disgusting
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kachinnate Ā· 4 years ago
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,,,,okay i know i just said i wasnā€™t going to talk about the deh movie but actually yeah imma talk about it for just a sec bc yā€™all actually make me legitimately distressed sajkfndsmjkgds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLQ_A0H1otcĀ i dont have the braincells to do a shot by shot analysis right now but hereā€™s what weā€™re lookin at
under a readmore because ghhhhhhh
firstly, let me lead with this: yes, from what we know, thereā€™s a lot of things wrong with this movie.Ā 
the worst, in my humble opinion, being the bts treatment of the (very few) actors of color, and the lack altogether of any production team members of color. thatā€™s something that should be acknowledged, talked about, and fucking dug into especially at the current fucking period of time weā€™re living in. itā€™s unsurprising, but disgusting nonetheless, and it set this movie up for failure from the very beginning. iā€™m a white person so by no means so i feel inclined or like i have any authority in saying what one should feel wrt all of that, however i will say if thereā€™s to be a boycott in not watching this movie, that should 100% be the reason why. itā€™s fully pocā€™s choice whether or not to forgive the production team or give this movie a chance for the irredeemable shit it did in regards to handling the movieā€™s production. the movie imo definitely doesnā€™t deserve their forgiveness, but again, that is not for me to say.Ā 
thereā€™s some little things too that i canā€™t fully think of off the top of my head - like, the whole making larry connorā€™s stepdad thing fucking irks me, for example, but, like...... listen.
if you know me like at all, you know my favorite word is nuance.
so, iā€™m going to say it outright: the way you people are approaching this three minute trailer shows literally.... none?? no nuance ??? is it no-nuance november over here or ???? like iā€™m begging you iā€™m BEGGING YOU to put aside your pre-determined prejudices against this movie and like stop pretending to be a renowned film critic for ten seconds because itā€™s really not as outright fucking abysmal as you are saying!! and also itā€™s possible to have opinions that arenā€™t completely fucking polarized to one side because guess what, the deh movie? a piece of media! what is the shit yā€™all are constantly preaching about having the ability to consume media critically ? because youā€™re trying to cancel a fucking trailer based on the contents of the trailer alone !!!!! hello !!!!!!!!
media is bound to be problematic. if yā€™all were as quick to judge any movie as you did this one, guess what you wouldnā€™t be watching any movies like ever <3Ā 
anyway lets get into the parts that are probably going to get me cancelled lmaoĀ 
ben platt - listen. LISTEN. listen i know heā€™s too old to be reprising evan we ALL know heā€™s too old to be reprising evan iā€™ve heard this same argument since the announcement was made we get it we all know.Ā haha heā€™s a grandpa yes bestie ur so right ur so funny wow. i do agree that we shouldā€™ve maybe had a not-ben-platt evan moment but hereā€™s some things to keep in mind: the arguments ofĀ ā€œoooh ABF is right there !!!!!!ā€ 1. whoā€™s to say he was available? 2. the environment of a movie is so, SO much different than that of a musical -- as much as you wanna pretend you know everything from just a trailer, thereā€™s no way of knowing what scenes were added that mightā€™ve made the movie like.. idk possibly more intense story-wise not even COUNTING the fact that just inherently a movie set is different than a musical one? like yes ben platt might be just being used as a device but thatā€™s probably not the sole and only reason. Also, if i see One (1) more comment about his FUCKING HAIR šŸ˜ƒ first of all itā€™s not that deep like... if youā€™re so distracted by an actor having their hair different thatā€™s on you, but going as far as to call it bad or distracting or being like Vehemently a way about it?Ā yā€™all i know itā€™s most likely not your intention but that is literally just ben plattā€™s natural fuckin ETHNICALLY JEWISH hair sajknfgkjds!!!! iā€™m not the first to make this point, but like dsjnfkjdsg!??! yā€™all are being so mean about it and for WHAT? again, maybe not intentional, but it reads as like high key Very antisemetic and you should.... maybe not šŸ˜³ be that way
connor. the thing about a trailer is that they donā€™t show you all the scenes because they want you to come see the movie. right? can we agree on that? all the connor scenes in the trailer had SEVERAL hard cuts, omitting a lot of the scene -- like the computer lab scene! we see the beginning of it, thereā€™s a VERY obvious hard cut, and then heā€™s running out! in my opinion my first watch through of this trailer i had a very likeĀ ā€œ:// hmm all these actors feel a lil like dryā€, but man oh man the comments ive seen about connor. holy shit guys. this boy gets 7 minutes of stage time in the actual musical, and the whole thing is we DONā€™T KNOW VERY MUCH ABOUT HIM. not to burst your bubble, and i by no means hate connor, i love me some good connor lives fics and stuff, but everything we write with connor being alive? that is !! speculation on our part !!!! those are headcanons and us using the little context we have!! connor doesnā€™t have any significant development IN THE SOURCE MATERIAL that is being adapted into a movie !!! you 1. canā€™t fully judge a character with already limited screentime in a 3 minute trailer, 2. canā€™t really call what connor has canonically in the musical as in depth character development !! what is his arc then !!!! he pushes evan, goes to the computer lab, has an outcast loner kid moment, gets upset, takes the letter, DIES. sorry stans, thatā€™s just how it is !! and, AND, everything in between, all the idiosyncracies, that depends on the actor playing connor! speaking of, you know who the actor is playing connor in the movie? thatā€™s right, colton ryan!Ā so, i donā€™t know, maybe... have some trust in the process, in an actor who ALREADY has played connor on broadway???? and also trust that you will get more connor content then u are seeing from a 3 minute trailer!!Ā dhgnijsdg and some of the comments on like his appearance specifically? like are you really made that he doesnā€™t have long hair?? they kept his nails and his rings but nahhh the hair was apparently a MUST HAVE (even though like.. not all connor actors on broadway always had/have long hair but w/e)..Ā REGARDLESS. tldr on THATĀ ,Ā the movie would have to do a pretty shitty job if they want to take something from someone who doesnā€™t have much to begin with and i think yā€™all are being extremely harsh on this pointĀ 
jared. honestly iā€™m a bit worried too about the like... name change, because it does have the potential to be taking out some representation, but... they did change the name to fit the actorā€™s ethnicity? itā€™s a really [hmm] topic because, again, from a trailer and from what we have been told we donā€™t KNOW a lot of the context, but i think itā€™s important to remember that uh.. jewish people arenā€™t just? always white ?? thereā€™s a possibility they changed the last name to fit with the [ethnicity] while keeping him jewish?? ofc thereā€™s the possibility that they Didnā€™t and ... again hm thatā€™s its own thing altogether but just reiterates the point that you canā€™t knock a whole movie just based on the trailer. you canā€™t talk about things you know nothing about.Ā 
alana. same thing as before, you canā€™t.... completely bash a character based on a 3 minute trailer. there was discussion about how she seemedĀ ā€˜shyā€™ when talking to evan, which like.. maybe she is but also that scene was them talking in a library like if u actually take notice of whatā€™s happening in the scene jdskngsd though i do share the general consensus with many others that she wonā€™t get a lot of screen-time but thatā€™s neither here nor there šŸ˜” moving on
scenes and the setting. one of the things i was most like.. tentative about in regards to a switch from a musical to a movie was how they were like... going to do certain scenes? naturally, a lot has to be different when weā€™re going from a minimal stage set to an entire movie with like.. settings. there are going to be new scenes because a movie lends to have like, physical places that arenā€™t just [evanā€™s bedroom] and [murphy kitchen] and [implied school]. so new scenes, new conversations, slightly different pacing.. this is all to be expected right like are yā€™all geneuinely surprised here or ........
thereā€™s a lot we arenā€™t seeing yet because this is a TRAILER. again i already mentioned this re: connor but like... again, yā€™all are making some Claims that just... fucking outlandish. there are so many moments in the trailer that are very obvious Hard Cuts. you donā€™t have all the information yet. you are angry at a tiny fragment of something that is confusing you because you donā€™t have all the context. is there a chance that some of this shit is just genuinely Bad? yeah but you really cannot 100000% say it with your chest and gauge it without seeing the movie and understanding what that scene is in context. lowkey uhhh saw some jokes about the zoe scene in the car and :ā€™))) ? jesus? christ????
concluding thoughts because my brain hurts but like. you donā€™t have to like the movie. you donā€™t have to WATCH the movie. like all media if you choose to consume the movie you should do so with some CRITICAL THOUGHT. but, just like the novel (and i do not want to have any discussions about that i donā€™t care if you think itā€™s good Or bad thatā€™s not what this is about) you guys are going in this WANTING to believe itā€™s bad and completely polarizing your thoughts on what this is going to be. yeah, maybe there shouldnā€™t be a movie. i genuinely think we couldā€™ve gone without. but itā€™s just a piece of media, itā€™s not a progression like all your (musical is good, novel is bad, MOVIE IS WORSE OH NO) posts are suggesting. they are all just. different pieces of media stemming from a source. at the end of the day itā€™s just a fucking movie. if you already hate it so much, guess what? you donā€™t have to watch it! you donā€™t have to put so much needless fucking hate into a 3 MINUTE TRAILER. you can stop being performative and dissing it for its poor treatment of POC while then going on to make fun of ben plattā€™s hair and just targeting a different group like! please !!!
iā€™m not trying to be a fuckinā€™ advocate for this movie because thereā€™s so much opportunity for it to suck, i do Not have high hopes for it, and iā€™m not even really sure i want to watch it (i bought the novel when it came out and have yet to read it, and iā€™m sure the movie will like.. elicit very similar vibes from me lsdngjkdsg like im just not uhhh feeling it) but yā€™know what? watching the trailer did not bring forth the fucking onslaught of hatred in me that apparently has fuckin posessed all of yā€™all and like djnsgjksdg plagued my dashboard for this whole evening. donā€™t come into my inbox trying to like.. argue with me about this (preemptively im turning off anon because i like i Canā€™t lmao) this is just like... a rant i needed to get out of me real quick.Ā 
SO. tldr for now: have critical thought about shit you consume, thereā€™s no ethical consumption under [the film industry], you canā€™t judge a movie entirely on its trailer, and yā€™all need to calm the fuck downĀ 
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