#even tho personally i think original jasmine's goals are great!!
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sleepless-in-starbucks · 4 years ago
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I never saw live Aladdin, what went down?
so muchhhhh my dude and none of it good
i have a lot to say so under the cut it goes.......
okay so i assume u know original disney's aladdin so i wont go into it much except to remind u of their jasmine: strong-willed, says what she wants to say, all in all a solid character
what they do with the live-action aladdin however is make her... well... not that
they have a much more political tilt throughout the 2019 movie, with jasmine wantin to be a good ruler for her people or whatever. politics also are why the sultan and jafar are at odds, and overall it's like a Thing in the movie and i dislike that but whatever their remake ig
along with being focused on wanting to be a Good Ruler and saying that she's really educated (she has a lot of books and maps and stuff), the movie also gives her the sultan-ship at the end, and she just picks to marry aladdin afterwards
ig they thought making her want to be a ruler an empowerment thing? like, 'look! a smart woman who wants to be a good ruler! she's strong and empowered! no sexism in male sultans, she's the sultan!' etc etc; versus the original jasmine who just a) wanted to not live in the palace forever b) wanted love that was for Her and not the power a marriage to her would offer
i dont agree with this- original jasmine's goals were perfectly fine, as wanting to Get Out is normal, and she wasn't 'boy obsessed'. she just wanted to be loved for herself. women are allowed to want that y'know
that aside though, her character throughout the movie is just... so much weaker. she's always acting Proper, which ig makes sense for a 'princess', but that means that some of jasmine's Best lines never happen- at one point aladdin literal answers question 'just what are you looking to buy with your jewelry and jams' (yes, jams) with 'you'
and jasmine just unhappily smiles through it!!!! original jasmine hears the men discussing her and storms into the convo just to remind them she's 'not a prize to be won!' but this jasmine gets that told to her face and she just mutters smth before making an excuse to walk away!! ugh!!!
she also tears up/cries a lot which- listen, nothing wrong with crying, u can be a strong character and cry, but i think it's pretty telling that they made jasmine, a female character who only cries once in the original (to the best of my recollection- it's when she thinks aladdin is dead, very understandable), pretty much tear up every time she's even a Bit stressed
they make her very emotional, which is not a bad thing!! but again when ur original character is so strong willed and fierce, this is very clearly a down grade!!!
she gets two original songs, but both of them Suck- they're very 'surface-level female empowerment' tunes, with those sorta high-tone 'emotional' pitches, jasmine looking on the verge of tears in both. they dont match the rest of the soundtrack At All which makes it worse
her second song occurs after jafar has taken power and orders her to be removed from the room- after she shut up at his command 'be silent woman' and told her tiger to stand down at his word as well, weak ass- and all of the motions that go with it are just In Her Head
y'know how in the original, all the songs happen while things are happening? aladdin's actually escaping guards, the genie's actually making the parade happen? that happens in the 2019 one too but not for jasmine's second song
it's all in her head!! it's just imaginative bullshit!! and when she ends the song and actually does something??? it's just a speech
she, with red and wet eyes, gives a Speech to the head guard and gets him to turn on jafar, which is USELESS because he just uses his genie wish powers to get rid of the guards
so it's pointless!!! all pointless!!!!!!
and later, when her father is threatened, she fights back by... agreeing to marry jafar if he stops. that's it
what happened to the jasmine who swore she would never bow to jafar??? who spat in his face even as he held All the power??? who did her best to fight and fight even when every odd was stacked against her??????????
let me be clear: there is nothing wrong with female characters who are smart, who are emotional, who want to be rulers, who aren't fighters- they're great! they're valid! cool!
but when jasmine's original character is someone who is a fighter, who doesn't cry at everything, and who speaks her mind despite what's proper and all?? it's such a disservice to her character
especially bc it's so clearly just. performative 'female empowerment' or whatever
they play more into things that are seen as 'objectively good and strong and empowering' like being Educated Smart and Wants To Rule and shit and take away the parts that are probably too 'uncomfortable' for the cis white men working on it- like when she won't let herself be talked about like an object, or when she only acts 'alluring' when it's part of a ploy (before calling prince ali a snob, when trying to get the lamp away from jafar)
but the effect achieved is the opposite- it just makes her feel weak and pitiful as a character, one who barely has an impact on the story and carries no real power or character
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themadvigilantist · 5 years ago
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dantalion - all of the following original info is from (here) and i’ll just end up making references to this (I ALREADY HAVE PAST ME and i put a small edit there but, everything else?? solid. but i mean the version of dantalion i play as??? won’t mention any of these because he does what he wants so all of this, for the most part. he should because this is a great resource if there’s just not enough lore about solomon’s lesser key demon!!eventhoitsnotofficialbutilikeit) so my commentary is [like this]
“Who is Dantalion you may well ask… and it shall be answered” (…)
Dantalion - Spirit of knowledge, empathy, passion, love, emotions/intellect, Demon of mind.
Abilities (Generally, he can teach you everything that each human in this world has thought about or known, but of course these are his main job)
He knows thoughts of all people and can change them at his will - and also can teach you how to do this (also telepathy) [time lords are perfect hosts]
He teaches all art & sciences (ya know this before, but I wanted to classify it) [time lords are perfect hosts, specifically prydonians/patrexes]
He teaches how to achieve alternative states of consciousness (OOBE, Lucid dream, higher states, past life reading, hypnosis etc.) and he can accompany you during them. [time lords are perfect hosts.]
He can help you open astral senses or knowledge of something that you want to know (but better be ready, cause your brain may take a break for a really long moment…) [time lords are perfect hosts!]
Teaches persuasion, manipulation, lies, flirt, good speeches, relations, mind control, generally all social skills. [time lords are perfect hosts!!!!!!]
He can heal/or help you with low self-esteem, negative thoughts, neuroses, depression, other coded wounds in the subconscious. [time lords are perfect hosts: missy vault scene? just eps centered around bill’s mind?]
He can suddenly put in a state of deep peace and relaxation, and show you how to do this with your mind (He also knows a word which makes your mind calming down). [time lords are perfect hosts: see episode LISTEN]
He shows similitude of any person including your person (it’s for empathy skill, when you want to more understand others or people you may like) [time lords are perfect hosts: any new who and yes, shalka is new who fight me]
He can cause love or other emotions (but remember, it’s not like someone who never knew you will love you automatically, but he/she will have more positive thoughts/attitude towards you) [this why he hates it]
Causes obsession, illusions, fear or hallucinations. [this is fun to him]
Causes lust (No, he’s not a nerd who is sitting on the armchair and reading his book with a moral look of your catholic aunt. He knows what is sex and he knows it very good) [WELL OK THEN]
Finds persons similar to themselves and causes them to unite (even if your other half is in the beyond) [time lords are perfect hosts: see the introduction of missy/danny pink arc]
Knows secrets (knowledge, but not only) and reveals secret councils. [all those secret councils??? he’ll expose if you bad.]
Can show you other aspects of your personality and makes you more charismatic/or who you want to become. [time lords are perfect hosts: that entire rose arc and no, the moment is not part of that arc. sorry! but, the moment herself said she aint rose tyler. so technically she took the form of the first incarnation of the TARDIS’ heart, second being 9th (in books she took the form of war doctor) and 3rd being idris (involuntarily)]
Causes people not paying attention to you ( so you can secretly work) [time lords are perfect hosts: the earth not knowing the doctor/timelords exist plotline...I MEAN]
Preferences (you probably saw lots of other planets/elements/zodiac assigned to him and you were wondering what’s going on - these depends really on aspects, that’s why I mentioned a few, best suited to his nature)
Zodiac - Pisces(venusian), Aquarius (saturnian) Planets - Venus/Moon, Saturn [and this is why dantalion knows venusian aikido] Elements - Water/Air (perfect harmony between the intellect and emotions) Number - 9 [he think he funny w/ that upside down 6. he aint] Quarter - North (north gate) Time - Night time/morning (generally before noon) Color - Gray, red, purple, green, (dark green or dark purple) blue, black. [can you believe that i sure didn’t know about this until i stumbled on this??? a muse meant to be OKAY!!! all those years rping and i was guessing oN A WHIM??? that demon must have told me: do me justice because !!! ] Candle color - Green, purple, generally dark shades (u can also use white) Tarot card - 9 of chalices. Stones - Pearl, emerald. King - Paimon (he’s one of his dukes) [note: formally]
Offerings Raspberries, cherries, tea, honey, whisky, classy wine, flowers - dandelions, roses (especially with passionate colors - he’s a romantic guy) nuts, your love.
Scent - Sandalwood, honeysuckle, jasmine, rose petals.
Appearance Usually shows up as a robed man with women’s and men’s faces and with the book in his right hand (sometimes replaced with a mirror). But he’s a shape-shifter, so he can take any other form. This spirit can look like a man you may personally know (or not) or even he may look like you. You can also see him as a black cloaked figure, black mist with eyes, gray cloud or floating face. He usually appears as a tall and slim man, in style of gentleman or businessman. ( I (the author) usually see him as a man dressed in dark robes with pale skin, black long hair decorated with jewels tied back and with crown) [TALL SLIM MAN ok sure]
Voice Most often dark and deep. Can also be as whispers or male and female alternating voices. Often speaks quite poetically (but he also knows nice slangs) [thanks 15.ai!Tenth Doctor. you right on the money]
Energy (how to recognize) His energy is very strong, focused and deep. You can feel the multidimensional planes of his being and it’s very characteristic. It is very penetrating, surrounding you from all sides and you may feel like your mind is a bit underwater. Generally, his energy is quite psychedelic and the effects are different. After, you may feel on high (like after good marijuana) have a headache or just feel weird. If you look closer, you will also feel great calm from his essence. [time lords are perfect hosts: the matrix]
Personality Just remember one word - COMPLEX. You will never really know how he will behave, because he’s like chameleon - he adapts to people, situations and places. For one, he will be a nice guy full of heat, and for another a dark tricky spirit. He may look cold and serious at the beginning, associated with his “knowledge aspect” (air) but he’s also very emotional spirit. He’s impulsive, determined and it’s quite easy to offend him. He has these two aspects connected (intellect/emotions) with whom empathy and healthy thinking can exist. If he behaves quite dark/annoying/arrogant that’s usually because he wants to protect himself (it was a bit like empath complex - the most openhearted and sensitive people are used by others the most) So he seeks balance and tests people. In reality, he’s a very generous spirit, patient and forgives quite quickly, but also he trusts hard and always needs control (he must see everything).
Dantalion is a spirit who is focused on human bonds, so you may see him talking about ethics/morals or knowledge which opens people to the truth about their nature - that people are the same. We will always be individualists but our needs are very similar - we want to be loved, appreciated and satisfied with our actions. People may create stereotypes, hierarchy, determinants of coolness but no human will create your face and never see through your eyes.
Dandelion (sounds familiar to Dantalion, it’s not a coincidence) is a symbol of this unity. Seeds of this plant may flew away with the wind but they’re still a part of this plant with which they have formed the whole before.
Tips for working
Take it slow. This spirit can make you very obsessed (u feel these nights when you were searching the entire internet to find him and you didn’t know why?) [AHAHAme] Look through your thoughts and set your clear goal - if you want to find him try invoke him or meditate, but don’t rush. Follow your goal not obsession. Dantalion will not run away from this world.
If you want to start relationship with him, prepare for patience again. At the beginning he’s formal, cold and not very emotional. He must find a place for you and adapt. (he’s a real thinker) Show the heart, he will show it too.
Get ready for a tests - he can test your intellect or your transparency in thinking.
Speak directly. He has sense of humor, don’t worry, but sometimes he takes words a bit too literally…[he do tho]
He doesn’t like work alone. If you’re this type and you prefer sit and wait when the spirit will end all his work, this may take a long time (except when these aren’t big things, then no problemo) Otherwise, He may start to make sure you’re still planning to pay him, and everything will be slower. (He non stop must watch what’s going on)
He usually works quick but he sometimes has a several episodes when he’s a bit more limited (idk maybe he has this delegation again) and he answers for a few days. Just wait 3-4 days and if nothing happened try again.
As I said before, it’s easy to offend him. He has big ego. Know your way and know what you want but unnecessary words can cause an awkward atmosphere. Get upset, but continue anyway with determination. Let it be rational and intelligent talk.
Other asks
When you did invocation/prayer and you don’t feel his presence that doesn’t mean he wasn’t there. He usually sees everything with his eye and even he may already work with you but you don’t feel it consciously. He likes working behind the curtain.
Sometimes he acts weird and unexpected. People do strange things, your cat began to like him more than you, one time he wants to talk and the other he prefers to sleep, he walks on the wall, whispers strange things and this day he prefers eat pizza than classy alcohol. Can encourage you to play. It’s just his complex nature. [yep]
He’s not a demanding spirit. Just give him something from your heart or what you think is valuable.
He’s a good guardian when it comes to safety with people.
This spirit has equal gender. Dantalion is both female and male. Here I prefer call him “he” because that was my experience and this spirit’s attitude. [time lords are perfect hosts]
Dantalion is a djinn, demon, fallen angel, dark angel - he’s everything. Name as you want. [he prefer demon/fallen angel because he was an angel]
He may look nice and with good heart but he also HATES. He really gets pissed off and can destroy your life very hard when you think you shouldn’t give him what have you promised earlier (and then there’s no empathy at all …) [time lords are perfect hosts: i did make vin his host for a time for a reason...didn’t think that i end up being true to that character......]
He’s [used to be] a very loyal boy if your work was successful. He can come back to you even after a year without contact.
His attributes/symbols are - eyes/eye, faces, crown, books, the speaker, the judge, Judge’s stuff of high social rank, scepter, psychedelic waves/smoke, dandelions, brain, mask, mirror, water, clouds, the priest (absolutely not about religion but more about education and speaking to people) [EMOJIS]
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