#don't worry i'll let you know if there's a s2 announcement while you are in jail

[septemberlikeastorm]

#qimir the hair influencer#“hey guys it's qimir im about to put my sith helmet on and commit atrocities#but I just HAD to get on here & show you guys this new mousse that i absolutely LOVE.#and I figured let me get on here & do my hair with you guys so I can show you how I use it & I'll come back after & show you how it held up“#he put the fit check in a separate video#*cut to the next day*#“hey guys so i completely forgot to get back on here yesterday & show you how my hair held up. it was absolutely INSANE. I'll do a storytime#but it's the next day and as you can see my hair looks practically the same. i did get tossed around in some dirt & carried off by bugs but#there's practically no difference. anyways I'm about to take a shower before my wi-i mean hostage wakes up. byeeee“#manny jacinto#qimir#the acolyte

Okay now show me the cutscene where qimir pulls out a comb, a mirror & little rubberbands from his bag before carefully parting his hair down the middle, making sure to leave the money pieces out, and then slicking the rest back before putting two lil pigtails in & putting his helmet on

[ineffablydelighted]

[How exploring the Ineffable Husbands' dynamic in Good Omens can help us figure out what the show/book is all about, Part 2/?]

Also called: This human has, apparently, too much time on her hands and will be trying to Effable the Ineffable for [...] hours.

'Ello, 'Ello, 'Ello! 👋

Hope you are doing well since Part 1 😇 If you have not read it, you're losing a significant part of this analysis and I encourage you to please read it first 🥰 [because, well, it has been called Part 1 for a reason, hum-hum]

Now that we are in the sole company of Part 1's survivors, let's dive into Part 2 [THIS PART MIGHT BE LONGER, YOU'VE BEEN WARNED, ANGELS!] 😎

[This gif is here to entice you to grab a snack and a drink you might fancy because, TRUST ME, I do not know how to shut up when I'm analyzing things and you're here for a long a** time. I know it is super hot outside for some of us but we can totally PRETEND it rains and cosy up in our favorite blanket. Remember: Autumn/Fall is a mindset, not a season.]

As I previously announced, the next bit of my analysis [and the next idk how many parts tbh, I'm a mess, but I believe I'll treat two encounters by part - told you this was gonna be LONG, don't hate me, homie 😣] will treat Aziraphale and Crowley's every S1 & S2 encounter, explaining why Aziraphale slowly falls in love with Crowley and using their dynamic to try my best to explain what Good Omens must be about as a whole.

Ready?

Let's go!

Before the Beginning

In S2, Aziraphale meets Then-Angel "Crowley" (as we do not know his angelic name, we'll have to stick to that) and that is also the first and only time we, the audience, see him.

What does Aziraphale see in Angel Crowley?

First, he is super dynamic and cheerful: he really seems to ADORE creating stars [ask me to show you a nerdy dork before nerdy dorks even existed and Angel Crowley will always be my #1 from now on] but, also, he is already very frank, straightforward, and innovative (he invented the suggestion box sole concept, I believe 🤔)

[By the way, my take on this is that Angels, having been an active part in Creation, have the ability to create Concepts out of nothing but their own minds, and since they also have a "beehive system" [As S2 Crowley states when he is "arrested" by Cinnamon-Roll-In-Chief Muriel and is "brought" to Heaven], the Concept created becomes instantly real for every other Angel in the universe.]

That worries Aziraphale instantly: he watches everywhere around him, afraid someone higher-ranked is listening.

This scene is very important because that shows us what differentiates Crowley and Aziraphale the most throughout the entire book/show: 

Aziraphale has somewhat of a Fear of God (which is encouraged by most religions: God is Right, always, you are nobody to state the opposite) that Crowley does not have because he has Trust (which is still having Faith, just a more optimistic one - most times.)

Crowley is, first and foremost, a creator at heart.

He loves creating things, he develops a bond with his creations, and cannot fathom how the Creator with a capital "C" wouldn't either.

That is why he does not mind stating out loud that creating a star factory for it to serve nothing is "idiocy"; even worse, to not even let it follow its natural course? It feels utterly wrong to him! 

Then-Angel Crowley already has his own understanding of what Creation is all about, while Aziraphale, being a "people" pleaser through and through, follows the mass, no questions asked, definitely no suggestions.

That first conversation holds their first debate as well:

Are they, as Angels, simple executors or are they collaborators? And, to go further: what is the point of THEM altogether?

Although, Aziraphale does not engage in the said debate for long.

Especially when Angel Crowley says:

"Well, you know, if I was the one running it all, I'd like it if someone asked questions! Fresh point of view!"

That is the precise moment Aziraphale starts PANICKING out of the Fear of God I mentioned earlier:

In his eyes, Crowley commits the utmost BLASPHEMY the minute he tries to PUT HIMSELF AT GOD'S PLACE.

That is precisely how Angels FALL: In the Bible, God expresses their wrath whenever Humans and Angels alike defy/deny their authority/their Almightyness.

Out of terror, Aziraphale tries to distract Angel Crowley by bringing his attention back to his creation. He ends up genuinely worrying for him and expresses it:

"Look, word to the wise; I'd hate to see you getting into any trouble."

Angel Crowley thanks him for his concern and says this sentence so full of dramatic irony because we, the audience, already know what will happen to him:

"I wouldn't worry, though; How much trouble can I get into just for asking a few questions?"

Then, Angel Crowley will show an act of kindness and concern of his own by protecting Aziraphale from the explosions (Fire).

It will also create Alpha Centauri in the process.

[I'm not sure why he does it but I do have a theory:

Since he never created a Nebula before and Aziraphale had not been a part of this project at any point, he might have been afraid that God and/or the Nebula's creators had somewhat forgotten to include all the other Angels in the "do not harm" category.]

But would it be what Aziraphale remembers the most about this encounter? I do not believe so.

As he will constantly do over the ages, he will miss the POINT:

I believe Aziraphale mostly associates this encounter with the moment he saw Crowley as his HAPPIEST.

And joy, both as a concept and a state of mind is something really, really important to Aziraphale.

[PURE JOY right there. Also, I need my doors to creek like that.]

4004 BC, Garden of Eden

In S1, During this encounter, the Cherubim/Guardian of The Eastern Gate Aziraphale meets the Demon Crawley for the first time since the latter has fallen.

What makes me think that is that Aziraphale asks for his name.

But there are indications they have met prior (both as angels, I mean, and not just at the Beginning): Crawley asks Aziraphale about the flaming sword that has been given to him in the past.

More so, it is most likely that Aziraphale showed him the sword.

"You did, it was flaming like anything, what happened to it?"

I'll even go further by stating they must have been somewhat friends during that elapse, for two reasons:

One, because of this sentence Crawley says:

"Lost it already, I mean?"

Meaning: you have a tendency to lose things and I would not know that if we hadn't met plenty of times.

 Two, because Aziraphale answers HONESTLY to Crawley's question.

That becomes even more baffling when we discover that, being asked the same question later on, Aziraphale proceeds to LIE TO GOD'S FACE.

What really interests me about this encounter, in particular, is how at ease (even if he is experiencing stress because of the flaming sword's situation) Aziraphale feels by Crawley's side, even though he is now a Demon.

Sure, he does insist on Crawley's new nature and that is most certainly because he is thinking in dichotomy, but

He feels safe enough around him to be honest and, more importantly, vulnerable. Deep down, he already knows Crawley will never use that information against him.

[And that, Angels, is the cutest thing ever, amr?]

Also, as they always will over the years, they will

Have a debate on what is Right and what is Wrong.

Aziraphale is worried he might have done the wrong/bad thing by giving Adam his flaming sword.

However, he acted out of kindness and empathy, which Crawley is very receptive to. Aziraphale can see that and also that Crawley tries to reassure him by saying:

"Oh, you're an angel, I don't think you can do the wrong thing"

But then, being his honest self, he contemplates whether or not HE might have done the right thing, crushing Aziraphale's brief moment of rest.

But, contrary to Aziraphale, it does not worry him that much: he had fallen already, so he learned a thing or two about Heaven and Hell and has started not to care about their opinions at all since they did not care about his when he was actually invested in the Ineffable Plan.

[Also, I just love how Crawley, by being the one who gives Eve the apple, is the official Earthy Creator of Free Will™ (even if God and Satan must have been its sponsors) - it does align with his sense of self since the suggestion box falls into the same thinking pattern.]

During their debate, Aziraphale totally misses Crawley's whole POINT (again): 

Crawly states that God WANTED Free Will to be introduced.

Otherwise, they would not have made it remotely possible for humans to gain access to it. By that, he also implies (at least) three things:

One: God created the Tree that holds the Forbidden Apple, even if they called it Forbidden. They'd put it on sight, in the middle of Eden, not outside of it. They let Satan send Crawley to tempt Eve who later temps Adam.

Meaning: God and Satan are, on occasion if not all the time, working TOGETHER and playing their own game, so why wouldn't THEY?

Two: If there is such thing as Fallen Angels/Demons, it is because God WANTS it in the first place. 

Meaning: Therefore, how can their actions be BAD as in "wrong" or as in "shouldn't happen"?

Three: If a Demon can, in fact, do Good/Right and an Angel can do Bad/Wrong actions, are they, really, that different? How much do their actions matter anyway? How is that even possible for them to do the opposite of their apparent purpose? Unless, of course, God WANTS it that way.

Meaning: Good and Bad are much more INTERTWINED and CODEPENDENT than what Heaven and Hell appear to make them believe.

In fact, Crawly is already starting to believe Good and Bad MUST. ALWAYS. COEXIST. no matter WHO does it.

UNLESS, of course, they... do not exist at all?

Is there, really, Good or Bad anyway?

[I've tried to warn you through the tags: philosophy haters, the floor is now LAVA.]

Aziraphale does not think like that at all. That kind of belief shakes him, but being his Angels = Good = Right self, he refuses to believe it.

Also, he considers it as Blasphemy and Temptation.

But, guess what, that is normal. During this debate,

Aziraphale does not interpret why God put the Forbidden Fruit in the middle of Eden the way Crawley does.

Aziraphale does not think of the Ineffable plan like that: to him, he is supposed to do what he is TOLD.

In other words, Aziraphale's theory is that

God is TESTING its creations, and the creations/subordinates in question must prove they are stronger because they respect/fear God MORE than they are inclined to follow their own wishes.

It is a very common religious belief if not THE most common.

Crawley is more... let's say "Oscar Wilde-ish" in his thinking. [The -ish is important here, the man was very paradoxical but that was the first that came to my mind]

[I would like to drop in here some glimpse of cinematographic analysis as well [because this is MY essay and I can do whatever the Hell that I want.] :

During the debate per se, they never share the screen, even though they are willing to talk peacefully and respectfully - hence the fact both actually turn to each other, look at each other, etc.

Basically, their debate is a true one, but none will change their minds anytime soon.] 

They find common grounds to "Agree to Disagree" when Aziraphale protects Crawley from Earth's very first Rain (Water)

Why does Aziraphale do it? In my opinion, probably for the same reason Then-Angel Crowley did it: The rain could have been God's way to destroy the Demon who was there, since Fire is, at that point, already related to Satan.

[Well, even if it was God who gave Aziraphale a flaming sword... Good and Bad are ALWAYS totally mixed up in Good Omens. See?]

It was a gesture of protection, courtesy, and empathy. A "just in case this is a danger for you" act.

[I might go back to this part to add some things as I will soon rewatch very carefully both seasons in case I miss something - and I will, because I'm chaotic AF. Although, this girl likes to think of herself as being thorough when she puts in an effort.]

So, yeah, this book/show is very interesting to me because, as I've stated in the tags and as I'm trying to prove to you (and to myself) in this very lengthy analysis,

Good Omens is a philosophical essay disguised as comedic/satyric/romantic fiction.

It does not mean it is NOT a comedic/satyric/romantic fiction, though. Of course not! It is both. And many other things in between.

[Now, I'll let that sink in and give both of us a well-deserved break.]

[Friendly Space Ninja, I know you'll never see this but I'm manifesting all the admiration and respect I can to wish you a good day.]

During Part 3, we'll treat the next two of our favorite pair's encounters:

S1 3004 BC (Noa's Arch, The Flood) and S2 2500 BC (Job's case).

Can't wait, I'm a big fan of the Job's episode.

Toodles, Angels! See you soo-oooooooon!

[Do you hate me by now? Nah? It will come.]

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Previous - Beginning - Next

[texasbama]

I remember when Simone was first introduced and I was like "oh finally a black girl from beverly that isn't mixed/lightskin" and then they revealed that she lied about the pregnancy and I was like "oh why tf would you give her THIS storyline??" but then she and Jordan bonded, built up their fastburn and I was like "aww wait I love this and them, she's already elevated him as a character"

then season 3 came around and she was barely there because Geff was filming Snowfall, then the announcement of her spin off came and I was excited for her but worried about Jimone but thought "I'll be fine if they give them a good break up before she leaves" but NK's lying ass was going around saying "we spent way too much time to build this relationship to just break them up" 😒

but even in season 3 they set her up for failure/hate having her talk back to his mother (which I personally loved cause I don't care for Laura) which people (the locals) didn't like, then she was barely in any episodes to build up for her own show to make people like her and want to tune into HC. THEN they talk about "oh Simone's getting her own show" when really it's more about Damon than her - hell his ass was the one in the front in the very first poster which already set me off in not having faith in this show.

and now with that ig post where they use a "angry" picture for the darker skin girl and a happy/cute pic for the lighter one? confirmation that they hate her guts.

they may like Geffri, but they hate Simone. the views for the show aren't great and it won't even be going to Netflix where All American gets a lot of their success so I'm not expecting it to get renewed and tbh, while Simone is one of my top 5 characters out of any show, I hope it doesn't. Geffri deserves better, these shows (AA, AAHC) have not utilised the acting abilities she has, what she did with her little time on Snowfall? chefs kiss

sorry this is super long lol I just needed to get that off my chest

You make excellent points friend! When I saw that IG post yesterday I thought the same damn thing but I questioned myself. Like let me calm down, the emotions of the episode are clouding my thoughts. But after sitting on it, you are spot on. It screams colorism. From the poster to the IG post just…everything.

The writing on HC is mediocre at best. I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if they didn’t get picked up for a s2. I’m with you, I love Simone. I enjoy Keisha and Nathan and Thea. They have spent far too much time on this Damon birth parents thing and the aunt/coach story tbh. But so far there haven’t really been episodes where I leave it going “omg that was so good!” ya know?

I love Geffri and I agree that they aren’t utilizing her acting abilities. I want her to win so bad. It just really sucks that it seems that the show runners are not fully supporting her as the lead of the show.

[lola-andheruniverse]

I'm not on-board with anyone's behavior. I'm trying to do my own thing here, which is recommend fics and reblog gifs and metas about the characters and shows I love. That's it. I'm free to agree with people's opinions while not endorsing their chosen behaviors.

For example, when things blow up, I signed up to twitter because I wanted to participate on actions that were taking place. I think I was there for twelve hours LOL I saw carylers declaring their love for Carol and Melissa and it was great! I also saw people getting into fights with richonne and donnie shippers and being racist on their attacks. I saw older carylers being completely ignored or blocked when they pointed the fact that NR was the only one being benefitted by the changes even if they were being respectful on their critics. I also saw people openly attacking him and his family. I saw people trying to control what should be posted or what feelings should be exposed. I saw antis just stirring the shit and having a blast for seeing us suffering. I saw people forming friendships. It was a complete mess and I didn't want to participate in any of it, nor the good or the bad.

Do I think the majority of carylers that were there (including the ones who tried to organize everything) had bad intentions? No, I honestly don't. Did I agree on how things were being managed? Also no. So I stepped out even before I made a single tweet. I remember thinking "let's stay on tumblr, it's calm there".

Here's what I believe. I do believe Melissa was kicked out of her own show. I believe it because of AMC's history on mistreating their female actors since S2. I believe it because Laurie Holden tweeted a photo of herself and Melissa's right after the announcement of the caryl-turned-daryl spinoff with no caption. I believe it because of how Alycia Debnam-Carey left FTWD and how Lauren Cohan left and came back to TWD. I believe it because of what Khary Payton said on TD. I do believe making noise on SM helped to get her back. I'm very grateful she did. I'm again on board of the caryl positivity ship. I believe our fandom deserves more love so I started the rec fic project and I'm very happy to know people are enjoying it too.

I understand your worry on people being purposely misled so you're trying to alert them to not trust everything they read. I really do. But people can make up their own minds. We're all (or should be) adults here. I don't believe anyone's here is actively trying to deceive or manipulate anyone like they're some type of super villain. I may be wrong? Of course, I'm only human and I'm not privy to anyone's true intentions. But I'll pity them for spending so much time and energy trying to convince me of something when I can think on my own. Anyway, we're all hidden behind nicknames and icons, aren't we? Why should I trust what you're saying about someone else's? Why should you trust me on anything I say?

What I don't understand and definitely don't agree with is the need to create a blog with the apparent sole purpose of talking badly about another member of the fandom. You can say whatever you want about them, and some critics are valid, but I never saw them doing what you're doing. At least not here on Tumblr, I can't say anything about Twitter because I'm not there. Understand what I mean with two wrongs don't make a right?

Fandom should be a place to escape a little bit and enjoy ourselves, not to constantly engage in discourse or witness attacks. The caryl fandom have had issues like these over and over again. What I observed on this fandom over the years - first as a lurker, than with my blog - is that internal fights always existed. People are fighting each other here for a long ass time, so much that lots of devoted carylers have being bullied and pushed out. Sadly this is nothing new and not a single individual is entirely responsible for it. It's a collective problem and we should treat it like a collective problem.

What I believe we should do to have a better fandom is to respect everyone's right to say whatever they want, positive or negative, as long as they're not being openly harmful or full of prejudice. I've got to respect what anyone's saying or feeling even if I don't agree with them. I can choose to voice my disagreements in a respectful manner, but I'm not obligated to do it if I don't want to engage on discourse. And, if I do agree with someone, it's not the same to agree with everything they say or follow everything they do. I don't appreciate any contrary insinuations.

Okay, I'm really done now. I hope I was not disrespectful to you in any way as it was not my intention. Back to recommend fics! Caryl on!

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