#doesn't matter if a character is coded bi or canonically bi or ambiguously bi we just can't have rep can we

[dailybayonetta]

sorry, if im bothering you with this (you don't need to anwer if you don't want to), another one of these discourses about bayonetta i've seen with queerbaiting with bayojeanne and that one spoilers thing. do you agree it's an actual thing that happened?

Okay, so BIG SPOILERS AHEAD (metion of them, but not explicit) and lots of text ________

So let me start by saying, usually, as a gay person myself - I've been in this situation. When you clearly have a dynamic between friends of the same gender but it's written much more deeply and with the care and with the actual tropes that get used for het couples and filled with love (and that word gets thrown around, but like, we talking about any kind of love). That happens. But what also happens - is that writers / devs usually never confirm these. Fans and fandom do more job of putting lgbt rep into something that originally doesn't really have it or hidden in narrative (pushed, that also common with censoring) and then act like devs or writes or show runners own them something they invented. Again, it's a complex issue, because sometimes authors take time or have to push for relation ships (LoK / adventure time) and sometimes authors take credit for the ships fans popularised (that one supergirl show comes to mind???) However, in Bayojeanne cause, I can kind of see where people coming from because: a) Bayo herself is an ambiguous character, people been saying for ages that she's bi coded (i can't speak on that honestly) b) Kamiya called Bayonetta and Jeanne couple - not a pair, not duo, and compared them with other couples (that also semi-canon / canon)

c) a lot of promo material art, just as concept art depicted them in way that would couples would. especially couples that have "different side of the coin" dynamic and that complement each other some examples: 1 // 2 // 3 // 4 // 5

Fanservice? Sure. Still. A thing that did happened. d) the scenes they had were also common for couples, shots on the reaching hands (the recent one i can think about with cloud and tifa in ff7remake), bayonetta holding jeanne "bride" style, bayonetta holding jeanne when saving her soul (do i need to mention how later they did that scene in familliar way with luka and bayo but just without the kiss, riiiight) and like, i could go on, but you get the idea

d) And what I also think Bayojeanne isn't just that kind of ship that was "oh fans hyped it up and they never interacted in canon" or something. It's in the story. Again, maybe it wasn't explicit and writers probably didn't intended to be that way (maybe Kamiya did but looking at bayo3 who knows), because once again it's a common thing when writes do this type of dynamic and "oh, the bond is so strong" and that kind of thing has a right to exists, if it wasn't for the othert stuff i said about. Again, it's a complex idea and situation. And many things matter in the case. And I'm not a professional and not that type of person who cared about it in Bayonetta of all things. Does that falls under "queerbaiting"? Hell, if I know, because I never expected them somehow to get canon or anything (and if you go through my baoyjeanne tag you know I love them dearly), cause not only being a game from japanese devs but also that I know better now because I got baited enough in various media before. Can I blame people for thinking this was queerbaiting? No, I don't think I can. Especially because it's just bad for the script. What this implies of such strong and impowering fantasy character as Bayonetta is even worse. And like, Bay///o/lu//ka doesn't in any way erase Bayonetta's bi-coding or her being into Jeanne (afterall it's not the same Bayo and we got multiverses now🙄) but I think people are upset because it was executed reeeeeally poorly and untasteful for such character. And people saying it's kind of character assasination are right in a lot of ways. Hell idk why anyone skips the part that Luka also didn't got any development and got thrown in this mess as well. And also THAT PART. What happened with it - who knows what was even going on in the writing room of Platinum.

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i was having a good day until i remembered that post claiming that wonder woman was Actually a lesbian because her creators couldn't make her a lesbian so gave her only "het" relationships while calling her bisexual to get some hypothetical Representation Award

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Sure, my grammar is shitty but you guys on otherhand are delusional. You can't differentiate between canon and fanon. In canon Dean is straight so that's the truth applicable for everyone. In fanon, Dean can be anything the person wants, it depends on their imagination and is applicable only to them or few people like them. Hell in ur imagination he can be a girl, bi, asexual or a donkey, no one cares. Your imagination is limitated to you and people who agrees with you not to everyone.

The issue with you hellers is that you try to pass your imagination as fact and expects others to agree with it. You guys go berserk when other fans counter your imagination with Dean is straight, argument. You refuse to believe his sexuality as straight and ask fans for proof and when you are told its in canon, you refuse to believe it. Everyone from writer to directors to actors have said Dean is straight but everyone is wrong as you want to fulfill your fetish. If person who created tge character wanted Dean to be what fans want then he could have kept his orientation ambiguous and not as a well known womanizer.

No where in story he has shown any feelings towards men and no one can't be gay for just one person. If you see the show, removing your shipping goggles you will see that he is a typical male with toxic personality. No where in the show has gays being made fun off, infact in Supernatural they have made sure that their orientation is secondary and not their identity. Drinking cucumber doesn't make you gay, choosing a certain color doesn't make you gay. Choosing an angel or devil cake doesn't make you gay. Hell looking adoringly at your friend doesn't make you gay. These are the stereotypes we talk about that Destiel stan tries to pass as the proof that Dean is bi. Writers are not sending you any secret code.

You gave your example so I will explain you guys behavior by taking your example. You said, you thought you were straight till 20 coz you never had crush on girl until then. Well if I have to reflect Destielhellers behavior on your situation then ...I refuse to believe that you are bi, infact I think you are faking it, you are doing it coz you want to be part of the trend. You think by calling yourself bi you will shit on your abusive father. You got father issues....Now I send this to my followers and they send it to theirs. Someone comes and tells, you tell them that you are Bi, but they think you are in denial and doesn't know yourself. They know you better than you know yourself.

The only difference in this situation and Dean's is that he doesn't exist while you do. So the miniscule ship is not the issue. Issue are the people who are shipping it. You say every fandom have shippers and their drama but none of those extreme shippers invade other fandoms. Marvel fandom and DC fandom dramas are the worst but never once I have seen them tagging themselves in Supernatural fandom or say Stucky is canon in one of the Supernatural post or tweet. While we have Destiel stans who have written 'Destiel is canon' under the posts, tweet and tags of fandoms ranging from Riverdale to Marvel. This is problematic, Destiel is not canon and yet you tag all the non related people with it.

Infact yall have gone so delusional that an year after the show ended, you are still screaming Dean is Bi. If you remove your shipping goggles you will see the way Dean treats Cass. He is nothing but an ally, Dean and Cass both have beaten each other to death. Dean has time and again told Cass his or his issue is not that important. There is so many times in show that Dean has left Cass dying just so he could be somewhere else. That is not how a guy with feelings no matter how hidden they are treat the person they like. He has left his dead body unattended just so he could be with his brother. If he had feeling (no matter how buried) he wouldn't have left his dead body. After Cass went to empty, he forgets about him and when Sam brings him up he tell him to move on. Sam has shown more care towards Cass then Dean but still your delusional selves refuse to see. The only reason yall can let go coz you want Destiel to be canon.

None of you care for LGBTQAI representation what you care for is winning. You want the boasting rights infront of bibros and wincesties. You want to say we won, Destiel totes won, you want to boast about it coz in reality as the series ended you realised that Destiel wasn't canon and you can't accept that. You are using LGBTQAI representation as a crutch to get what you want, to fulfill your need to win. If you had cared for LGBTQAI community then your bone of contention would have been something different. You guys should have been mad that writers and Misha decided to play card and then died. You should be mad that never before they showed Cass as gay. You should be mad that Cass's death was kill the gay trope. But yall were okay with it coz you baited yourself into thinking that Dean and Cas will reunite and will be couple. You didn't spare a second thought towards Dean's like and dislikes. Just coz Cass declared himself as gay you think Dean has to be gay, as well coz gay people can't fall in love with straight gays. One sided love doesn't exist. Acc to you everytime someone say I Love you the feelings has to be reciprocated coz that is what happens in real life. But as I said none it matters to you, coz at the end of the day it is all about winning.

It is your need to win that pushed you to read an perfectly tagged anti post. You felt the need to comment on this post just coz you want to prove how you are right while I am wrong. Hence proving all the points, you even tried to bullying me by trashing my writing skills. But bad grammar or not I am calling out bullshit of destihellers and their bullying.

People like Destihellers are the reason why LGBTQAI community is finding it hard to get accepted. They are acting exactly how homophobes feared they would act. The biggest fear of homophobes is that the community will arm twist them into being like them. Hellers are behaving like being straight is not acceptable, they are literally erasing straight from story.

How are they better than homophobes? They are doing exactly what homophobes do to gay. I hope the hellers have heard the saying, an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.