#debate whether it's okay to compare lesbians to straight men or not as long as they're feminine

[gynandromorph]

don’t fucking reblog this but okay so first of all i’m not sure how comfortable i am comparing the objectification of butch women by gay/bi/queer femmes to the oppression of women by straight men. and by not sure how comfortable i am i mean i am very deeply uncomfortable with that sentiment in every way.

second of all i’ve mentioned that i have been objectified by quite a few butches. i think this might just partially be my inclination towards other butches but it’s also because like you don’t have to be a part of a specific group to objectify a marginalized group, although you’re more likely to if you wield power over them. this is most obvious in the fact that women of any sexuality objectify themselves and start to identify with the objectification all the time. butches have ideas of what their ideal butch is and other butches can help them reach that goal by being vessels to live through vicariously OR to be the stepping stone/trophy that proves their own masculinity. i’m not disagreeing in ANY WAY that femmes do objectify butches but idk, i don’t think this is a thing specific to them as much as lateral aggression in the community. most of my experiences with like Butchphobia TM from femmes has actually leaned more closely to transphobia and involved revulsion or respectability politics more often than objectification.

third, and this is the most important part, omg why would a femme need to fucking ask that question lmfao. you understand how to not objectify women who aren’t butch so like what isn’t translating here ma’am? where are we losing you? there’s literally no succinct method or list you will be able to follow to make sure you don’t objectify a butch. objectification (sexualization + dehumanization + exploitation) is a lifelong wound that continues to bleed. everyone is wounded in their own way from their own experiences. some butches will feel thrilled by things other butches find objectifying. by trying to make it into like something you’re never going to have to confront, you’re never going to have to just risk your dignity a bit to find out on an individual basis for these vulnerable lesbians, that is literally a form of objectification honestly. it’s still treating butches like they aren’t people with unique complex feelings individual to them. still like, lists like that are useful. i just don’t get what was going on in that anon’s head like as if she is not attracted to exclusively individuals who are objectified at large butch or not