#cynical concern trolling 'nobody really cares Those People only care about their ships' is part of anti diversity discourse

[deancasforcutie]

#people's existence is not political!!! characters existing who rep marginalized groups do not make a piece of media Only About That Thing #the subtext of endless spn fandom narratives has been backhandedly phobic for a long time 'it would ruin the show' 'it's not about that' #PEOPLE'S!!! EXISTENCE!!! IS NOT!!! POLITICAL!!!!!!!! #dot trolls fandom #thank you for these tags i want to amplify this loudly!!! #also: a work of media does not have to be designed at the jump to center representation as its main thing for rep to be there and matter #spn is a gen appeal series...which should mean NOT BARRING PEOPLE OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! #*screaming in the middle of the woods about this for years* #it's everything the fandom menace has attacked Star Wars with just more veiled #from people who perform as pseudoliberal pseudoprogressive in fandom spaces and don't care who their Karening exclusion dialogues harm #and newsflash THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT DESTIEL AND IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT SHIPS!!! but antis pretend it is #they attack support for marginalized characters by sneering 'all Those People care about is a ship that's the only reason' #marginalized characters matter #cynical concern trolling 'nobody really cares Those People only care about their ships' is part of anti diversity discourse #representation matters #supernatural is for everyone (via @dotthings)

Some thoughts on the spn mothership, the prequel, inclusion in spn, and what this particular endless fandom forever war actually is at its root.

This has all happened before, in other major franchises.

Attempts to expand and become more inclusive get angry kick-back.

File “Jensen the bibro king who only cares about the bro bond” with other targeted wank: bashing on fans who genuinely advocate for more inclusive media and a more inclusive spn, slams on Misha’s activism or calling Misha’s allyship cynical pandering for money, aggressive concern trolling against inclusive characters under a veneer of wokeness. They did it to Wayward Sisters. They don't want it, they hate it, they also pretend to care, just enough to target the inclusive characters and deem them unworthy, but they don't actually care.

The picture is getting clearer and clearer. This is way outside the boundaries of ship wars. It’s them trying to stab a flag in Jensen to claim him for an spn that has no room for anyone but Sam and Dean and pretend he’s their anti-diversity king.

It's attacks on spn being a diverse world, period. Look at how and why they attack the prequel. Why are they mad. They’ve told us why: to them “spn is only Sam & Dean.” That is not just an attempt to gatekeep the spn mothership show. That is a gatekeep on the entire spn universe.

And while kinging him as their anti-diversity wind-up toy they’re also still hating him for the prequel, for not playing along with their narrow mindedness. For not being who they wanted him to be.

At this point, any so called “fans” labeling Jensen “the bibro king who only cares about the bro bond” have shown you what they are. jfc no wonder they hate the prequel this badly.

Some history, for context.

The Silent Majority is a "bibro" fans twitter founded in the hiatus between S7 and S8 to advocate for exclusion. They denied the accusation, but all the language and their posts were insidiously designed to maintain an spn where only Sam and Dean counted.

This has been there, all along, ticking away, and the ship war aspect has clouded what this actually is. It's not just about Cas. It's not just about Destiel. They've gone after marginalized character after marginalized character, in the name of “it's only about the brothers"

This conflict has always been there, since S1.

I love spn as a whole, I’ll even rewatch seasons I don't like as much, but I’ve always been critical of the yankback on the creatives' attempts at making that world more inclusive.

I never asked it to be something it wasn’t. It’s that I responded to the story being told, to the attempts of the creatives to expand that world, and let more diverse characters in, and allow them to matter. It helps the story. It’s not about diminishing Sam and Dean. On the mothership, the brothers were always the centerpiece, and other characters helped to tell their story, but Sam and Dean have also served as windows into other stories along the way, the stories of people who crossed their path and who matter to the brothers.

I’ve been an SPN fan since 2005 and have seen the mothership show pushing against the walls bounding it in for a long time. spn mothership for now remains artifact to enjoy in rewatch, and while I love it, I’m not ever claiming it as some ground-breakingly diverse series, but it smashed a lot of the walls and ceilings placed on it along the way and the creatives fought for more inclusion there for longer than you think.

It’s a different era. Now it’s the spn universe. Inclusion is baked into spn content from the jump. And it’s 2022 not 2005.

Supernatural is for everyone.

[dotthings]

#it really is the same kind of ''forced diversity'' argument all other big franchises get. just filtered through our weird fucks#same reason ''it's not ~about that'' takes re: queer canon were a pox during spn's run. people just exist and not only as a Genre karen#like they couldn't conceive of queerness outside of it making a story ''all about'' queerness#and spn's real strength in rep was then being *about* the big metaphysical epic but also featuring queer themes non-incidentally (via @deancasforcutie)

Some thoughts on the spn mothership, the prequel, inclusion in spn, and what this particular endless fandom forever war actually is at its root.

This has all happened before, in other major franchises.

Attempts to expand and become more inclusive get angry kick-back.

File “Jensen the bibro king who only cares about the bro bond” with other targeted wank: bashing on fans who genuinely advocate for more inclusive media and a more inclusive spn, slams on Misha’s activism or calling Misha’s allyship cynical pandering for money, aggressive concern trolling against inclusive characters under a veneer of wokeness. They did it to Wayward Sisters. They don't want it, they hate it, they also pretend to care, just enough to target the inclusive characters and deem them unworthy, but they don't actually care.

The picture is getting clearer and clearer. This is way outside the boundaries of ship wars. It’s them trying to stab a flag in Jensen to claim him for an spn that has no room for anyone but Sam and Dean and pretend he’s their anti-diversity king.

It's attacks on spn being a diverse world, period. Look at how and why they attack the prequel. Why are they mad. They’ve told us why: to them “spn is only Sam & Dean.” That is not just an attempt to gatekeep the spn mothership show. That is a gatekeep on the entire spn universe.

And while kinging him as their anti-diversity wind-up toy they’re also still hating him for the prequel, for not playing along with their narrow mindedness. For not being who they wanted him to be.

At this point, any so called “fans” labeling Jensen “the bibro king who only cares about the bro bond” have shown you what they are. jfc no wonder they hate the prequel this badly.

Some history, for context.

The Silent Majority is a "bibro" fans twitter founded in the hiatus between S7 and S8 to advocate for exclusion. They denied the accusation, but all the language and their posts were insidiously designed to maintain an spn where only Sam and Dean counted.

This has been there, all along, ticking away, and the ship war aspect has clouded what this actually is. It's not just about Cas. It's not just about Destiel. They've gone after marginalized character after marginalized character, in the name of “it's only about the brothers"

This conflict has always been there, since S1.

I love spn as a whole, I’ll even rewatch seasons I don't like as much, but I’ve always been critical of the yankback on the creatives' attempts at making that world more inclusive.

I never asked it to be something it wasn’t. It’s that I responded to the story being told, to the attempts of the creatives to expand that world, and let more diverse characters in, and allow them to matter. It helps the story. It’s not about diminishing Sam and Dean. On the mothership, the brothers were always the centerpiece, and other characters helped to tell their story, but Sam and Dean have also served as windows into other stories along the way, the stories of people who crossed their path and who matter to the brothers.

I’ve been an SPN fan since 2005 and have seen the mothership show pushing against the walls bounding it in for a long time. spn mothership for now remains artifact to enjoy in rewatch, and while I love it, I’m not ever claiming it as some ground-breakingly diverse series, but it smashed a lot of the walls and ceilings placed on it along the way and the creatives fought for more inclusion there for longer than you think.

It’s a different era. Now it’s the spn universe. Inclusion is baked into spn content from the jump. And it’s 2022 not 2005.

Supernatural is for everyone.