#clovis unfortunately doesn't think he did anything wrong ever. so obviously we will not be forgiving him any time soon

[thefirstknife]

Robert Brookes saying we can't ally with the Lucent Brood is extra weird because we've had explicit confirmation this season that Caiatl's forces include soldiers who sacked the City. And House Light has the Spider and Namrask! Why include the sympathetic moments in the Lucent Hive lorebook (bonding with Ghosts, refusing to fire on a Guardian) if they're irredeemably evil?

He never said they're irredeemable. Because they're not! They're all redeemable, but they have to WANT to change and choose to change.

There's also a difference between random soldiers (who may have been coerced or felt that they had no choice but to participate in a sacking while they served a previous leader) and actual commanders who ordered the sacking. A lot of Caiatl's forces are soldiers who explicitly defected to her, because they chose to do so. A lot of soldiers didn't defect or did and then changed their minds (especially after Caiatl welcomed Saladin to her fleet) so they left Caiatl. It's complicated!

Namrask also chose to change. His lore book is very directly about him removing himself from his previous self and conquests and wishing to be a simple weaver who helps people. Spider is a bit more complicated, but Spider was never really a conqueror of any kind and was friendly with humans when he needed us. He's an opportunist and he harmed more Eliksni than us, so that on the Eliksni to deal with and forgive. And on Crow and Glint (which as we've seen isn't happening any time soon).

The same applies to the Hive; individual Hive, especially Lucent Hive, can absolutely choose to defect from Savathun or even Xivu Arath and join us and they would be welcomed. It would still be a tough conversation to have and not everyone is obliged to forgive them over night, but they're individuals that were forced to follow leaders they may disagree with. I'm sure they would be welcomed and treated fairly, though not without underlying issues. Accepting the Eliksni also didn't happen over night.

Either way, it's about choice. If someone chooses to change, they're welcomed to get their second chance. This has been a fairly consistent theme in Destiny. Savathun has yet to make that choice. Simply having the Light didn't give it to her automatically; the choice has to be made by her. And then it's a long path to making amends, as per what Brookes actually said.