#canonically at least Tulkas is a jerk when talking about the Silmarils so it's not a big stretch
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eri-pl · 4 months ago
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Not getting into the whole discourse about burning, because I don't think I have any coherent and logical opinion on it that would be actually based on what the book says.
But as for Feanor allowing or not: he was less paranoid when the Silmarils were new, he wore them and what not.
I imagine he may have been showing them to the Valar (or just to Aule, and Varda was there for some reason idk social life?) and he shown them to her and she was like "This is so beautiful" and just hallowed them without realizing he may not like the idea.
Just like how some kids pet other people's dogs without asking. Or touch people's hair.
Yes, the comparison of Valar's people-and-elf skills to children, and not to bad-mannered adults is intentional.
And then it was like:
Feanor: What did you just do, you made a metaphysical edit on my property, I will not let any of you touch them again! Aule: We're sorry,--- Feanor: Hmpf! Varda: *bluescreen face, because she dosn't get what the problem is. also, cannot undo it because it would be against her nature. also, generally doesn't speak much. So she just stares at Feanor. It does not help.*
“And Varda Hallowed the Silmarils, so that thereafter no mortal flesh, nor hands unclean, nor anything of evil will might touch them.”
*This can be interpreted broadly. Here I include deaths of justice and of self defense (e.g. Maglor’s slaying of Uldor).
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eri-pl · 2 months ago
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Silm reread 5: Elves again (Thingol + other important ones)
So now it says Melian was most associated with Yavanna. Which one is it then?
Also the forest where they meet is Nan Elmoth, the same where later Eol lives. well, the place doesn't determine how well the relationship goes. remember this when picking a restaurant for a date. :D
Thingol was awesome before, but he gets the "extra tall + silver (glowing?) hair" description only after marrying Melian.
Geography… So Tuna is in Valinor but on the edge. I should probably remember this better.
Fëanor!!!
So, Fefe is better with words, more knowledgeable and more handy, but Finarfin is the prettiest! And the wisest. At least among the sons of Finwë.
Ambarussar are identical twins, same faces and temperaments. Also, they are even more associated with hunting than Celegorm, but he is a friend of Orome.
Unless it's Polish translation issue, Aredhel is canonically very pale-skinned. Not that I care about the canonicity here, but it's interesting because very few characters have clearly stated colors of anything. (Also I think dark-skinned fanart of her looks better because of the contrast). Oslo, canonically she is not romantically interested in any of the sons of Feanor (including Celegorm).
OK, so the Teleri reach Valinor proper… it makes sense that Alqualonde is on the continent, but I somehow managed to forget this. :|
Ingwë is the high king od all Elves. Hmmm. I don't think Feanor cares about this.
Darkness mentioned again!!! Fefe and sons wander to the edge of darkness (small d, but I'm not sure how consistent Jirt is), meaning the Western edge of the world, I think, because they are drawn to the Unknown. This is an important sentence!
Capital "U" Unknown — but not Darkness. And it is defined as outside, maybe Void, maybe the general direction of "out of Ea"? And I have thoughts. Oh, I do have thoughts.
Who was also drawn by the unknown empty far places in his youth? Yes, Melkor. (I wonder if he talked about it with some SoF in Valinor. Especially Maedhros. Yes, I love two part "polite maybe even friendly // torture" philosophical conversations it seems)
all of them share the "I wonder what's there" curiosity and go and wander in places (yes I cannot stop thinking about this siple proto-hobbit song)
at some point the neutral or even inviting "Unknown" becomes "Darkness" in their eyes. This is the (result of the?) fall.
(also, Men in the tale of Adanel or what her name was)
I feel like there's more to explore here, but not for now
Anyway, it is another place which may have impacted the notion of "darkness everlasting" in their minds.
Fefe's chapter.
The writing was invented in aman, and Rumil lived in Tirion (everyone important did I suppose).
Finwe and Miriel fell in love in Aman (not before) and were very happy and in love. After her death Finwe did mourn her a lot even in the published Silm.
Feanor is canonically tall!!! And pretty, light-eyed and raven-haired. He made a lot of glowy gems, silmarils were just the magnum opus.
OK, so Indis here isn't Ingwë's sister, just an unspecified close relative. from the order of those in the narrative, I suppose Feanor married Nerdanel before Finwë remarried. Before the remarriage and Melkor getting free, Feanor seems pretty stable mentally. but it is not clear, which of those two factors messed him up more.
Melkor is set free during the adolescence of Fingolfin and Finarfin, or at least before they are full adults, but after they're born.
Melkor is such a jerk. :/ I mean, sure he is but he's even more of a jerk instantly after his release than I remembered.
It's not like "the Valar set Melkor free to roam"! He was supervised and restricted to Valmar, but pretended to be good and behaved and the Noldor actually benefited from his advice (per the book!) so he was let to go whenever he wanted in all Aman. Because Manwë thoght that Melkor is fine now.
Tulkas is less nice than I remembered and does have anger issues indeed.
Melkor teaches the Noldor a lot of thigs they should not be taught. I wonder what were those.
Feanor never took advice from Melkor. …or from anyone else (except Nerdanel in their early marriage). so it's not as noble of him as it seems.
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