#can confirm the hatred lol i get annoyed at the other 2 camps just from under 10 posts i've seen

[fernwehcore]

also in camp 3 here and imo the author intends the story to be read that way.

Frieren's view on demons has 2 components, while "incapable of understanding humans thus never cease to pose a threat to human survival" is proven an indisputable truth, "mere beasts, only use languages to trick humans" is very questionable from how the demons are presented.

i think these moments show that Frieren seems to be always aware of the contradiction with her "mere beasts" evaluation and killing them could bother her afterwards, so she needs the other half of her opinion on demons to be proven correct to reaffirm herself.

to Macht whose many actions challenged her view, she's capable of changing her attitude to a certain degree. she's willing to explain to him why humans wouldn't accept his killing even if he has the good intention of achieving coexistence, which she didn't bother to do before inspecting his memories. also, slaying Macht is stated to be for saving the human lives his dream would cost and the author managed to avoid having Frieren telling Macht it's entirely impossible in the long run, since just in the previous chapter Himmel's words abt keep going forward against all impossibility helped her to visualize a way. not dismissing an antagonist's action for the same reason the heroes' belief is lauded is enough props for me to trust the demons will be handled well.

What’s fascinating to me about Frieren Demons isn’t the in-universe issues with them (just to be clear, it IS interesting, and I love a lot of their designs).

But rather how extreme sides of the fandom can be when discussing them. From what I see, it tends to fall into 3 camps:

1.) The demons are unsympathetic antagonists that nearly wiped out the human race, and that is refreshing for anime fantasy media after years of complex, morally grey, adaptions within the genre and plays homage to the Dragon Quest inspired aesthetic for Frieren

2.) The demons are unsympathetic antagonists that are no longer in power, and that is bad because historically there have been times where monster species have been used as proxy for marginalized people (ex: old Warhammer factions), and it clashes with the general good natured vibe of Frieren’s story otherwise

3.) The demons are sympathetic antagonists who due to no fault of their own seem to have no way to process empathy, sympathy, or considering life sacred, and any attempts on their part (or humanity’s) to understand ends with death as their culture and instinct is to adhere to power over negotiations. Thus they are NOT evil but merely a biologically opposed species that nearly wiped out humanity trying to bridge that gap, and do not adhere to any RL group, marginalized or not.

And all 3 factions hate each other with a fiery passion

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Appearance: That’s me.

It may not appear that much, but my hair is actually blue, turquoise, pink and purple-ish. And my eyes are blue-grey.

Personality: INFJ 1w2 5w4 4w5 Sx/sp. Now, make your mind work :)))

Ability: What does this mean? What ability? Does drawing well count? I don’t fucking understand what this actually means xD

Hobbies: Drawing, video games, writing, typology…

I am quite obsessed with typology since those 6 last months though. I don’t get tired of this at all x’D It implies one of my biggest passion (psychology), so of course I would get totally addicted to it… If I liked astrology, how could I not like something with a stronger “basis” (aka that is actually logical, makes sense and is somewhat consistent)?

I am actually playing Smite again, after 2 years of actually not playing x’D Usually I play LoL, Guild Wars 2 or Diablo 3. I don’t like to play too many games because I like to invest my time in what I play >> (like I got over 1000 hours of gaming on LoL and Guild War 2 lol). And because, when I start playing I usually get addicted… Soooo, I must choose wisely with what I want to invest my time x’D

Experiences: Hum… Experiences… >>

Depends what it means again xD But… I’d say what I consider my greatest experiences are my travelings at the US with my mom and one of my mom’s friend and her twins (that were my age). We were going camping each years, and it was always very pleasant. It was a change of pace and atmosphere. But we were doing it especially to see the sea. We really fell in love with the sea, going to the beach every day was a must, just for the sea and not for tanning… (I had other priorities than just having a darker skin).

I also went to Cuba and it was a really nice trip. It is one of the only time of my life I actually felt I was in the present moment and appreciating it to the fullest. We didn’t do much actually, but it was really satisfying this way. We wanted to relax and appreciate the scenery, and we did. My mom and I will sure go again this year after my winter’s semester.

My life: I don’t have any brother or sister, my mom and dad are still together… I was a really spoiled child honestly. I have a very good relationship with both of my parents and I never had any conflict with them. It is surprising I haven’t become Sp blind I guess. But even at a very young age I despised other kids. In fact, I had very few friends because I was already picky of whom I liked and not. Even as a baby. That’s a bit crazy. I was crying when there were other babies, except one which became my childhood friend. Then, with school, we never could be in the same class, our bond still remained until this day but it is much more weaker than it was because of life events that put us apart. I am pretty sure if we talked again it would just naturally come back though.

Well, I did make another friend when I was 7 years old, a friend with which I literally isolated myself from others because he and I were literally in our little imaginary world and nothing else mattered. If you couldn’t follow our imagination, you would have been left behind… >>

Other than that, I already wanted to be the perfect daughter, the impeccable child so I wouldn’t bother anyone by already being somewhat “perfect”. I wasn’t really turbulent, I was pretty calm but kind of a dreamy child, always in my mind fantasizing about my favorite fantasy worlds. In fact, it didn’t change much with time. My inner world only got more complex and elaborated with time.

At high school, I made some new friends, but hardly because of my picky tendencies. Though we were all “marginals”, that’s why we ended up together and eventually became friends. I had lot of social anxieties though, even social phobia at one point. I believe my Fe development x social blindness x 1 motivations didn’t make a great combo x’D It made it hard. In fact, I believe my social blindness gained birth only at this point. Because I knew I was kind of different but at this point of my life it became really clear I was. People didn’t dare to approach me, they didn’t hate me nor mock me or anything I think, they just seemed intimidated by me? Idk honestly, I never understood why, even to this day I don’t xD But I wasn’t able to approach them either and even less socialize “properly” with them because of my interests and imagination that were just… Unusual for them I guess (and my “fashion style” and dyed hair probably don’t help me rn x’D). I always despised group interactions and “phenomenon”, but it was worse at my teen ages honestly. I was hateful of this to no end. I was still in my little inner world and never wanted to quit it anyway. So, it didn’t really matter to meet other people or socialize. I sure did wish I was able to socialize properly though, or at least to be able to address others normally and without anxiety, but I wasn’t, and it probably played on my hatred for group affiliation. Still, as long as I had my little moment with my few friends, I was happy. Now, I don’t have that kind of problem anymore, but I am still pretty isolative and still don’t appreciate group interaction that much, just if with close friends, and even then it exhausts me.

Anyway, I finished high school seeing a psychotherapist for my jealousy problem (because first romantic relationship happened), my low self esteem and my social phobia. And I ended up with a very great interest for human psychology. It still fascinates me even until this day and that’s why I study this domain.

Then I continued my studies in human sciences, my social phobia was almost gone, my anxiety problems were still annoying but not uncontrollable, at least tolerable and that was about it. I don’t have any anxiety problems anymore, and without the needs of fucking pills. I am really proud of myself for that. I am still looking for improving myself and helping other to achieve so too.

University… Only one semester left. I thought I would go do the PH.D, but I am unsure now… I’d still like to be a psychologist of some sort, but I realized by reading so much about typology how much I liked personality theories, and just theories about psychological phenomenon or even psycho-social phenomenons. So… I am not sure of what I want anymore. I’d like to do more theoretical research I guess, but even this seems vague. My Ni vision was clearly too vague and I couldn’t see exactly every details that would be on my way. Anyway, I am far from stressed about it, I know I want to accomplish something related to human sciences and I will. Just unsure of the “what” exactly. It will come, but for now I have other things I’d like to do before pursuing any further degree.

Relationship: Oh god… That’s a bit complicated. Without even mentioning my two first relationships, recently I had to go through another break up. Actually, I “met” someone in school through a teamwork for a distant class this autumn semester. We eventually started to chat regularly, because it just clicked this well for each of us. I felt this connection, and it did ring a bell. Eventually, the feelings appeared on their own and I was totally confused about what was going on. Because I was still and already in a relationship (for almost 2 years) with someone else. And my “teammate” was also in a relationship with someone else (for almost 4 years). The two of us developed feelings for each other just by chatting behind our screens with each other… Of course, I had to do a check up of my relationship to understand why this happened. To sum up simply, I had to realize I wasn’t actually in love with the person I was at this moment. Because of some life events, I had another difficult anxiety period when I started to date my now third ex. And it clearly messed up with how I really felt about him.

I ended up my relationship before I went too far with my “”teammate””. It actually was a really sad moment, but I really felt relieved much more than in pain. I was sadder for him than actually me. I am in good terms with my third ex. It was my friend before we started dating, and we still are, he is just more important to me than he was before.

My “”teammate”” took a longer time before ending up his relationship…. It was more complicated for him to see through his emotions and sort them properly I guess (he is an ISTP, so yeah, no surprise there lol), but also he had a different life background too, so it made things more difficult for him.***edit***: Never mind, he didn't end up his relationship because he doesn't believe in love and such... Lost cause. Fucker. Inferior Fe x Sp dom you suck.

Right now, I can’t say I am in a relationship, because everything happened too recently, and time is needed before any “confirmation” is given. But I can tell that I am in love with him, and it annoys me so bad x’D WHYYYYYyyyy. Being in love makes me so stupid, it is embarrassing x’D ***edit***: Completely stupid I'd say. That's the con to having lower T. At least, I am not a robot and I have more consideration for others than that.

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So… I think that resume it quite well >> I won’t tag anyone, as always, because I don’t feel comfortable to do it x’D Anyone that’d like to do it, then do it, and tag me if you want me to read it. I’d be glad to x)